Packers fail in red zone

The Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys. Thanks to one game in 1967 this will always be a historical matchup. History was once again made Sunday night when the Cowboys earned their first ever win at Lambeau Field, making a statement along the way. The Packers had their opportunities and have no one to blame but themselves. The Cowboys are clearly the class of the league and with the Patriots losing Tom Brady, probably the Super Bowl favorites. I have to admit, I didn’t think they were that good, but the Cowboys’ dominance on the offensive and defensive lines was the difference in the game.

Three times in the red zone and three field goals will not get the job done, especially at home and even more so against a team like the Cowboys. Quarterback Aaron Rodgers was running for his life and sacked five times. Amazingly, he did not throw an interception and did manage 290 yards, but much of that was in garbage time. The inability of Rodgers to get the team in the endzone early will be highly criticized, but after reviewing the tape, there were not many options available for him and at least he didn’t throw a pick, which allowed the Packers to stay within striking distance most of the game.

This will be a learning experience for Rodgers and even though he did not play bad, how he is able to get his team to bounce back next week on the road in Tampa will be a nice judge of his leadership abilities. In fact, Rodgers should be the least or our concerns, he is a player that  will get better each week, each experience will make him better. The Packers really need to be concerned about their decreasing ability to stop the opponents running game.

Three games into the season the Packers’ defense has been hemorrhaging yards both via the ground and air, a disturbing trend. Giving up 19, 25, and 27 points is not bad considering the opponents, but how long can they bend and not break? And can the offense bail them out like they did in two of the first three games? This is not in any stretch of the imagination the 1996 Packers’ defense. Do the Packers need that defense to make the playoffs and advance further, probably not, but they need a better performance beginning next week at the 2-1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

It will be a different defense next week against the Bucs, cornerback Al Harris is out for the year with a spleen injury and his replacement, Tramon Williams was primarily responsible, along with safety Aaron Rouse, for the Cowboys game-clinching touchdown pass yesterday. In that respect, confidence can’t be too high considering Bucs’ QB Brian Griese threw for 407 yards against the Bears Sunday. However, I think after facing the Cowboys, whatever team the Packers play next week it will be easier to execute. And like Ryan Pickett just said on “Larry McCarren’s Locker Room,” they don’t crown the Super Bowl Champions in September.

To sum up, it was a disappointing loss, to say the least, given so many chances to take control. But it was a team loss to a pretty good football team. You can’t say great team because the Cowboys haven’t won a playoff game in a decade, but right now, they are the flavor of the month. I like the Packers’ chances in a rematch in January.

As the now lost for the season Al Harris would say, “It is what it is,” and it isn’t all bad.

  • Mel e Mel

    SIZE DOES MATTER. Dallas O Line is big and they know how to hold. Either the Center or Guard actually pulled Colin Coles Jersey last night. McCarthy should be roasted over this redzone playcalling. Daryn College and Tony Moll are penalties waiting to happen and they are too light is the seat to make a difference in the running game.

  • Pete H

    Harris is a big blow….time for his eventual replacement to be ready. Good thing about it is that its early and he essentialy has a whole season to get there. Bad things is that they still need to get there. One more thing..Cali Cheez…let me get this straight: You’re happy that we are having mature conversations and not blabbing about certain topics, and you do this by bringing those things up and then putting your last two cents in???? Thats mature…The 13 year olds hang out at facebook!

  • Larry

    Tho’t we’d show better w/ another camp behind these kids, but not so. Man for man the ‘Boys looked bigger, tougher, and hungrier. I would have tho’t w/ the younger group we would’ve beat them w/ team speed but we got mauled. Have faith, we’ll get there.

  • CheesyD

    Just a note here…

    How about A-Rod… first three games as a starter, no INTs.

    That’s impressive.

  • matt

    A solid running game would go a long way towards helping our defense. It is extremely difficult to keep opponents from scoring when the offense continually can’t make a first down.

    I’m not worried about losing Harris. Tramon Williams shall mature and shut down receivers. Will Blackmon is gaining confidence with every passing game.

  • Larry

    Can’t resist the “I told you so” about the NYC press. Favre now has Jet Lag. I thought it was typical 3 tds and 2 ints (w/o the Chomarte drop – 3)

  • Oconomowockid

    Pete H,
    dittos on your comment!!

  • Roy Jamison

    Justin Harrell, Justin Harrell, paging Justin Harrell.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    We’ve got to develop the O-line, like we did wide receiver and QB. It takes longer and we need stability. I thought they would be better with another year. Even with other problems that seems to be the worst, and the pieces are already there.

  • matt

    Favre threw three interceptions. Cromartie intercepted a second one at the close of the game.

    I love it Roy. We need Harrell to step forward now.

  • Oconomowockid

    Justin Harrell is like a good wine. We will have to give him several years to mature. Oh yea, I forgot we are running a professional football team. I guess we don’t have time for that. I have a feeling if he was drafted by someone else, Justin would already be back home and his agent would be trying to imagine what TT saw in Justin when he drafted him!!

  • Larry

    Ocono, I’m holding opinion on Harrell until he plays (and I am frustrated right now). But thats the funniest comment I’ve heard yet. Not pulling your chain, thats rich.

  • paul

    Remember Jamal Reynolds. He actually was good in college and was cut because he sucked as Harrell did not show much in college but injury….good one TT. I remember the day he was drafted, ESPN did not even have a picture of him to put up on the screen. What the hell was TT thinking. I hope I am wrong, and many times I am, but I think Harrell will be a bust….not the kind in the Hall of Fame either.

  • JeffN

    I’m not concerned about Harrell right now. Our defensive line needs to improve with the guys we have playing. If Harrell can help us out later that would be great but we can’t count on him at this point in time.

    Our offensive line is the biggest thing that needs to improve! If the offensive line is healthy and improves to tip top shape we have a chance to be top conteders in January. Right now we need to focus on improving those 2 things and win a lot of regular season games in the mean time.

    I want to throw this out there: The Patriots last year dominated teams the whole first half of the regular season. As the season went on the games got closer. Then they get to the super bowl but don’t win. Is Dallas headed down that path right now? or do they dominate all the way through? Will be interesting to watch.

  • Larry

    JeffN that sounds right. I didnt realize Wells’ injury could hurt us this much. Thats whats different than last yr. Anybody know anything about the new DT?

  • IC Cyclone Fan

    Paul – I’ll agree that the injury concern is legitimate, but it’s way too early to label him a bust. He did start the final two games of last season and had a fine contest against the Bears. I’m going to prognosticate that he’ll get healthy, and next year folks will be talking about Pickett & Harrell the same way they talk about the Williams tandem over in Minny! :) Nine tackles with five solos in one game; that’s incredible production for a DT!

    From Packers.com
    “At Chicago (Dec. 23), started his first professional contest, filling in for an injured Pickett (groin); set career highs with nine tackles and five solo stops
    Started the regular-season finale vs. Detroit (Dec. 30) and posted five tackles (two solo)”

    Anybody here, besides me, remember a Packer RB named Willard Harrell in the 1970′s? I think he was John Brockington’s backup for a couple years.

  • Paul

    “Favre threw three interceptions. Cromartie intercepted a second one at the close of the game.”

    Not that it matters all that much, Matt but Favre threw 2 interceptions. Cromartie’s interception at the end of the game was thrown by Kellen Clemens.

  • cali cheeez

    Pete it was a JOKE, calm down I hate r moss. You must of missed “NOT” part.

  • cali cheeez

    There’re saying Al might be able to come back, so if he can come back by Dec. his back might be in better condition and in better shape for cold weather football. Plus our the young guys will have had plenty of prime time experience. As bad as it may seem sometimes things happen for a reason.
    I’m not going to give up on Harrell yet when he did play he did make some plays and move some OL around. Ya it sucks being out so long and being a first rounder and all but hopefully by Nov. he’ll be able to play and make an impact. Remember Bigby had been cut and all around the NFL and he’s doing all right for us now.

  • Pete H

    What’s funny is that if Harris can come back in Dec. and the Pack can hold their own until then, this might be a blessing in disguise. Get to see what you got with their eventual replacements, develop a 3rd corner to use on nickel. Both these lines better step it up though

  • Steve Cheez

    Willard Harrell, good ol’ number 40. Drafted in 1974 or 1975 out of the University of the Pacific (which no longer has a football program). A year or two later he had the distinction of throwing TD passes off the halfback option play to Steve Odom in 3 consecutive games. I believe he also returned a punt for an 82-yard TD the first time he touched the ball in his first preseason game.

  • Larry

    IC what memories. Brockington had LBs so worn down by 4th Qtr he was almost guaranteed 4-5 yds a carry. Too bad we were always a couple of TDs behind as I recall it.

  • IC Cyclone Fan

    Steve Cheez – your memory puts me to shame! I remember Dave Hampton, McArthur Lane, Eric Torkelson, Barty Smith, Eddie Lee Ivory and other Packer RB’s of the 1970′s, but not the kind of detail you just provided about Willard Harrell!

    Larry – My recollection is that Brockington displaced Dave Hampton in our backfield. One year (after moving to another team), Dave Hampton went over 1000 yards (back when it meant something) on his second to last carry of the season, only to get thrown for a loss on his final carry to finish at 999. The next season he finished at 1001 on his final carry and they made a big deal about it in the media. Fact or Fiction?

    Point of this trip down nostalgia lane: When you’re a Packer fan for 30+ years and have rooted for largely unremembered players on bad teams, a changing of the guard at QB, even one involving Brett Favre, is just a blip on the radar! I’ll remember him fondly, but he was never bigger than the organization…

  • JeffN

    Has anyone heard the status of Harrell? I know he is on the PUP list which means he come back at week 6 but has anyone heard if he is expected to back at week 6 or how long after that he will be back?

  • Larry

    Really dont remember IC, would have to look that one up.

  • matt

    I think it is incredible that the Packers are expected to win and challenge for the division with so many injuries. It highlights the teams depth and the accomplishments that the coaching staff has made with the team. They have instilled many intangible qualities in the players. Both deserve praise.

  • Oconomowockid

    Sunday and the next several weeks will tell. It will be interesting to see if we do have the depth many think we have. Let’s hope for better line play and play calling. We are in such a weak division it be incredible if we do not win it.

  • Matt

    Sunday Nights game was the exact reason why I wish the 3 stooges hadn’t kicked Favre out of town. Aaron Rodgers is who I thought he was. He is going to be a good game manager QB, maybe a little more, maybe go to a few Pro-Bowls…but he is young and played young against a good Cowboys team. He’ll be good in a couple of years, but he is going to struggle against good teams. No falt to him, just a reality.

    Ultimately, here’s what I don’t get…why didn’t we trade for Moss for a 4th rounder last year (Allen Barbre) and pull the trigger for Jason Taylor before the draft this year for a 2nd round pick.

    If you put Favre, Moss and Taylor on this team, they would have been Super Bowl favorites this year.

    Instead we have Rodgers, Allen Barbre, Brian Brohm and probably a 3rd rounder next year and we have sacrificed the present opportunity to win a Super Bowl now, for the future, but I believe they could have had best of both worlds.

    Just answer this question, honestly, before you respond… Do you think the future of the Packers is imparred w/out Allen Barbre and Brian Brohm on this football team? Because that is all it would have cost us to have Jason Taylor and Randy Moss on this team right now.

    They could have made these moves w/out it costing the team the future, which is the logic we are using to rationalize that these non-moves were not mistakes by TT. Take Favre out of the scenario. Say they still ship Favre out of town. Why not bring in those two?

    Maybe we beat the ‘Boys cause Romo doesn’t have all day to throw and Rodgers throws 4 TD’s, 2 to Moss, and 1 each to Driver and Jennings, because their secondary can’t cover all 3 of those guys.

    And maybe Favre isn’t playing with the Packers this year, not becasue he is in New Jersey, but because they won a Superbowl last year. Moss on the Packers vs. a Moss-less Patriots-I like our odds…

    Face it Thompson doesn’t have the balls to make the big move, and until that changes they won’t win it all again.

  • Michael Legat

    Yeah, because Randy Moss and Jason Taylor (and Jared Allen for that matter) have had such a huge impact this year on their teams in securing victories. I am honestly astounded how many people still think that overpaying for big name free agents = Super Bowl victories, in spite of the fact that since Reggie White back in 1993, IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED. Seriously, Matt, your philosophy is right up there with Zygi Wilf, Al Davis and Dan Snyder – all certified losers in the contemporary football world. Overpaying for Moss and Taylor would cost the team our future – they are both in steep decline and that money then won’t go to securing long-term contracts for folks like Jennings, Kampman, Barnett, etc. who look to be effective for a very long time.

    Randy Moss wanted to play with the Patriots instead, and Jason Taylor wants to transition into Hollywood and said he didn’t want to play in a small market town. Since you are crying about us not getting players who weren’t coming here anyway, why not bemoan our not asking for a trade for LaDanian Tomlinson?

    Also, I had all sorts of problems with the Dallas game, but if Rodgers was playing “young” against them this year, then Favre was playing like a teenager against them last year.

  • Oconomowockid

    Michael,
    I am curious what were all the problems you had with the Dallas game? I respect your opinion and many times don’t agree with it but I am curious what the problems were with the Pack last week.

  • Michael Legat

    I thought that the most obvious complaint was a lack of balance in the offensive playcalling. I would have liked to have seen more run plays clearly, but maybe also get Jackson more involved with some screen passes and such. I assume that the thought was to not overuse a gimpy Ryan Grant, but while Jackson is still a work in progress, he’s proven capable of making some positive plays IF he’s given enough touches.

    We are now in year four of the zone blocking experiment, and apparently the key to making it work is to rub Mike Shanahan’s lucky horseshoe out in Denver, because it sure as hell isn’t working here. I almost have a hard time judging the quality of our o-line; the performances are so inconsistent. I’m hoping that Wells’ return will help sexy up our offense – it’s amazing how often overlooked the starting center’s impact on a game is (look at how many people were wondering what happened to Peyton Manning the first few weeks of the season).

    I don’t have any real complaints about Rodgers’ performance. His deficiencies against Dallas would be shared by every other quarterback in the league if they had the same pressure and coverage downfield. In fact, at least half of the other starters in this league today would probably have melted down at some point. He kept his cool and took what little was given.

    I also have no problems with the defense. Our offense’s inability to sustain drives allowed Dallas way too many chances to make big plays. Dallas only made about a half dozen big plays but it ended up being more than enough. I watched both the Cleveland and Philly games against the Cowboys, and Romo and crew made it look much easier against them.

    We could not stop Barber in the second half. That was simply good coaching on Dallas’ part. It pains me to believe it from looking at that big dope Wade Phillips, but I’m beginning to think that maybe he’s coming into his own as a HC. Ask me again in December though.

  • Roy Jamison

    Craigslist: Slightly used doorstop for sale:
    Answers to the name Justin Harrell

  • AllAboutThePack

    I love it when people play the “maybe” game… We could have brought in LT, Moss and P. Manning and you still can’t ensure wins. Maybe the Packers are much like the Giants last year, no shortage of talent, just need to get everything on the same page. Maybe Rodgers seems pedestrian right now, but maybe as the year progresses he becomes one of the best quarterbacks in the NFC. Maybe our running back tandem behind this questionable OL finds their groove and become a force to be reckoned with.

    And Maybe, JUST MAYBE, this young team turns in a good enough performance this season to see the post-season.

    But that’s a whole lotta maybe’s being thrown around. The moral to this story? Maybe Matt will realize his maybe’s aren’t worth squandering good forum space.

  • AllAboutThePack

    My short story? I like the team we have and expect we will see some excellent things happen with the guys we have – not the guys we don’t have…

  • Michael Legat

    I’m very excited about tomorrow’s game. It should be a great litmus test for this team. The Bucs do not appear to be a dominant team, but their offense, defense and coaching are legitimate. They are just at the level where a solid performance across the board will be necessary to win.

  • Oconomowockid

    Michael,
    I think your view of tomorrow’s game is correct. It will be a good test against an average team that is coached well. I think tomorrow will give us our direction for the the first half of the season. If we can keep Rodgers healthy and provide him some protection we should win by 14 points.

    Secondly, I enjoyed Matt’s view and I to think you can judge coaches and GM’s by decision they make and don’t make, players they chose to bring in, as well as pass on. There is no glory in being the youngest team in the NFL, if you do not win. If we continue to win this is a great strategy. I hope we stay healthy and continue to win.

  • cali cheeez

    Matt come on man, did you not watch last years game? If BF had played he would’ve thrown at least two ints. The “girls” plan was to pressure Aaron all night and it worked. Now he’s played against one of the best defences in the NFL and will learn from it and there’s still plenty of football left. I do have to admit I really didn’t care for the play calling either.
    I do think Jason Taylor is an awsome player, but the last thing we need is an aging DE who only wants to play another year or so.
    RANDY FREEKIN MOSS are you seriuos! He’s a loooser with still no ring, he played with arguebly the best QB playing right now and STILL NO RING!!! Picking up lowlife criminals and trying to buy a SB that’s jerry jones style. I’d much rather see Greg Jenning’s and Donald Driver’s names in the record books for catching BF’s TD passes than r. moss’ anyday.
    Our O-Line needs to get it together, getting Wells back will definitely help.

  • Matt

    hey michael-

    yeh randy moss wouldn’t have made a difference. He only set the TD reception record last year and the Patriots went 16-0.

    Jason Taylor…verdict is still out here…but those Skins looked good taking out the Boys without him and he is a player that has to be respected on the football field.

    And your TT Packers failed the litmus test yesterday…against Brian Griese who threw 3 INT’s no less. If that Barber doesn’t fall down against Jennings for the first score, we only score 7 offensive points yesterday.

    To all you haters…my biggest beef is that I think our window to win a Superbowl is closing, not opening…think about it…bookends Tauscher and Clifton, Harris and Woodson only have maybe a year or 2 left in the tank…

    And Michael go back and do your homework on Elway’s Broncos in 97-98, they brought in guys like Bill Romanowski, Neil Smith, Ed McCafferey and Tyrone Braxton…to go along with draft picks such as Terrell Davis and Rod Smith.

    The Patriots are a good example employing the draft heavy and supplement w/free agent strategy today. And it has worked okay for them…

    My biggest point is that TT isn’t making moves when the window is open. It is closing. Feel free to disagree, but just remember in 2 years that I told you so.

  • Matt

    calicheez

    Where at in Cali? I live in Seattle but travel for business to the Bay Area all the time…

    Anywho, the O-Line is the same as last years…only difference is A. Rod!