Time to hit the panic button?

With the Green Bay Packers mired in a two-game losing streak and injuries forcing the team to perform triage yesterday in Tampa, is it time to hit the panic button? The Packers have lost back-to-back games against 2007 playoff teams and battled the Bucs toe-to-toe despite their lack of ability to run the ball and an offensive line that simply can’t block. Not to mention a defense that has totally forgotten how to stop the run. Simply amazing.

My biggest concern is the inability to run the ball. Many of the problems on defense would be lessoned if the defense wasn’t on the field so much. The last two games the Packers have not been able to get that key first down to keep the sticks moving. Ryan Grant is a shell of his former self or just caught everybody off guard last year. I don’t want to hear about the hamstring, if you are playing then injury is not an excuse. Certainly without Brett Favre at quarterback, teams will play the Packers differently, no knock on Aaron Rodgers, but you don’t earn that kind of respect in four starts. Obviously teams will try to shut down the run and make Aaron Rodgers beat them. Well, Rodgers has won two and lost two. How he learns from these experiences will make or break him as a quarterback.

Since there is no avoiding it, I will chime in on the Favre-Rodgers comparisons that will escalate this week after Favre’s big day in New York. First of all, I know, you know, and Brett Favre knows he would never have had a game like he did yesterday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. For those of you who think the Packers would have won with Favre in the game yesterday, you have very short memories. The anointed one is 1-5 his last six trips to Tampa. Many of those losses had playoff implications. To this day Favre struggles against the “Tampa 2″ defense and to think Aaron Rodgers would be any better facing the Bucs his first time is ridiculous. I thought Rodgers played well under heavy pressure for the second straight week. Two of his three interceptions were not his fault and the TD passes were beauties, especially the second one.

If Ryan Grant was worth all the money he signed for he could take some of the pressure off the quarterback and even the offensive line. Right now the offensive line has no confidence. They are giving up penalties at an alarming rate. Left tackle Chad Clifton is responsible for 110 yards of holding penalties just by himself. That is insane. Almost as insane as the missed block on Rodgers’ third interception that nearly got Rodgers killed. If that crap doesn’t stop Rodgers, Favre, Flynn, whoever you want to throw in there, is bound to get killed. I’m wondering if Clifton’s health problems haven’t finally taken their toll on the venerable left tackle. Whatever the case, play at that position must improve dramatically.

The bottom line is the Packers are 2-2. Just like teams like the Chargers, Eagles, Jaguars, and oh yes, Jets. A win over the also 2-2 Falcons next week in Lambeau would leave the Packers pretty much where everybody expected them after five weeks. 4-3 at the bye would be a huge accomplishment considering the schedule. Rodgers is expected to play next week despite a shoulder sprain and if he is 80-90 percent the Packers should be able to beat the Falcons, even though the Falcons are a much better team than last year. Containing Michael Turner will be paramount. I doubt former Packers’ offensive coordinator and now Boston College head coach Jeff Jagodzinski will provide any tips on how to beat his former prize pupil (hehe).

So, I will say it is not time yet to hit the panic button. However, a loss at Lambeau to the Falcons and that button will be smashed. Like the Chargers said before they faced and subsequently clobbered the Jets, this is an early season must-win game.

Wednesday when we know more about the mounting injuries I might have a change heart, but confidence remains high.

  • JeffN

    Al, can you create logons for this site so people can be restricted for doing the kind of stuff that Jon has been doing for months? We shouldn’t have to put up with something like this for this long.

  • Michael Legat

    So much for the ignoring, I guess. :(

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    Jeff, that is the next step. I will look into it. I don’t want to inconvenience the respectful users, however, so we’ll see.

  • paul

    I thought we agreed to ignore Jon like the psychologist (me) suggested. It is simple human behavior, like with children, do not reinforce negative behavior by commenting on it and it will extinguist. I thought this was a Packer football forum guys, come on!!!

  • JeffN

    Paul, I agree ignoring is best and my apologies for not going along with the consensus.

  • CheesyD

    Paul,

    You are right. Consider it done.

    GO PACK!!

  • Reid

    Done too. Thanks, paul.

  • Reid

    Al – you can also pre-approve posts before they go to the board. But it might be a real pain for you to sit around and look at them all day.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Anyone feel like commenting on my post back around 10am this morning? It was a comment but I was wondering what other folks think in regards to the state of the Packers compared to the state of the Saints back in the mid to late 90′s… You’ll have to swing back before the Jon references started up… I even welcome Jon to comment…

  • AllAboutThePack

    Yeah, well, the “Aint’s” was probably the nicest nickname they had back then… I know injuries happen and sometimes they are staggering, but I think the coaching can rally a team regardless and get the needed wins to get the starters healthy, as long as we don’t loose any more starters to the PUP/IR list.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Wow Al, you banned Jon’s @ss completely huh? I noticed his response to my inquiry was deleted. It wasn’t one of those I would have thought warranted removal by any means. I assume there’s more going on in the background than we’ve seen here on the forum – a lot like the Packers management… LOL… couldn’t resist, sorry…

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    AllAboutThePack – You are correct. Too many complaints. Don’t want to lose what little traffic I do get. I love doing this but we all need remember this all about just a game. My life will not change depending on whether or not the Packers win on Sunday. This is Green Bay and I know it is a passionate fan base, so emotions run high. But if you compare any of Jon’s posts it is clear he is not a Packers’ fan. I know I criticize the team on a weekly basis. You have to call it as you see it. But it is easy to tell I am one of those passionate fans by the wide range of emotions you get on my blog. It’s like arguing with your girlfriend, you are wild for a few hours and then it its “what the hell were we thinking?”, and I’m back to loving the Pack. Most of you understand that. Our concerns are about the Packers two-game losing streak and not what the front office did in March. The team we have is who we should be supporting. It is way to early to be judging management. Maybe after a losing season, sure, but few general managers or head coaches get fired with winning records, which both have in Green Bay to this point.

    Can we concentrate on Atlanta now? How the hell are we gonna stop Michael Turner without Cullen Jenkins? Please don’t say KGB is a full-time starter again.

  • zach

    Oh man, I just looked at the injury report. I certainly hope this is the last of our problems as far as that goes. There is 14 people on there! Some of them will play, but hopefully they don’t further injure themselves. We need to get Bigby back there…..scare the wideouts a little.

  • zach

    meh, i meant to say there “are” 14 people on there. Grammar police…

  • CheesyD

    Talking heads on ESPN are speculating that A-Rod gets told to sit against Atlanta, despite his strong desire to play. That means Flynn as QB.

    So if the Pack wins with Flynn, do we have a QB controversy?

    Just kidding…

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    I saw that too. I have a crisp one-dollar bill that says Rodgers plays. The Packers are playing “the will he or won’t he game” with the Falcons, make them prepare for both (not like Matt Flynn scares them, though). That said, I think the Packers roll with Rodgers, but probably lose with Flynn unless Ryan Grant all of sudden explodes. I expect 3-2.

  • TRIP

    lol @ cheesyD… that’s the last thing I need at this point, a QB controversy… haha.. I’m about to get some food, watch the debate, study, then argue about Jon (aka the Packers).. lol

  • TRIP

    I agree with 3-2.. I don’t expect a confident team though, but I can only pray it’ll be the type of game to rebuild confidence.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Why do we have such a huge amount of hamstring injuries this year? Must be about 5-7 players with them or getting over them……

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    DA – I can’t get over that either. Doesn’t that have to be related to the conditioning program? Do we have a problem there? I think it started in the Sherman days, though. We need an investigation. Is Mannix available?

  • AllAboutThePack

    Thanks for the explanation Al, anyway, with a injury lineup like we have right now, you know the odds are going to be against us – I honestly believe our team plays a little better when they’re the underdog. I know we were talking about the whole Rodgers being hurt issue, but this is bordering on the ridiculous now. Having Rodgers hurt is a major blow, but having that many players either nursing an injury or playing injured has me a lot more concerned now then just not having Rodgers.

    I don’t know what the practice schedule is like these days for the players, but I expect that it can’t be as rigorous as some of the other teams out there considering we’ve had injuries to so many players since the regular season started.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Oh, but I’m also not throwing in the towel on this team… way too many gifted athletes and I don’t believe there is a player on this team that doesn’t want to pull out a major win this weekend. Just really seems to be an injury bug in Green Bay.

  • stomps

    Ocono and others…

    As far as Al removing posts and banning users…

    He has deleted multiple posts of mine…

    I have never used foul language.. insulted anyone…

    I just disagreed… and had my posts deleted. Please don’t make Al out to be a hero that protects this blog from the great and evil bad posters…

  • Larry

    Seems to me we had this injury bug a couple of years ago when MM came on board. As I recall he changed the whole off-season routine and last year we were pretty solid on that score. I’d say just plain bad luck, and dare I say players trying too hard? As to AR sitting for a game I’d like to see more of Brohm and Flynn. Sorry, humor the old fart, I still can’t get over the thing Bart and Zeke had going. One never worried when Zeke came in.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Stomps and Jon – probably the last time I’ll address this, but, the site DOES belong to Al and we are just visitors here allowed to share information, when the board gets heated sometimes the best way to steer things back in the right direction is by saying nothing at all or in some cases to police what has already been said. I’m not making excuses for Al cause if you go to some of the newspaper sites and put information on their forums (usually at the bottom of a story), nothing gets deleted and if you use profanity it just plain doesn’t get posted. And I’ve read pages and pages of forum entries that had gotten so far off topic that the original story was no longer being discussed, instead multiple folks were just calling each other names and not agreeing to disagree. Kinda takes away from the original purpose of such a forum. You can argue a fact without trying to completely insult the person you are debating with. Look at last night (that dang congressional debate was on every local channel), people can debate in a civil manner – I think that was the purpose of deleting certain entries, to keep it civil. Shoot, I love a good debate – even when I know I’m wrong but I still like to stir the fire a little.

    Like I said, I don’t necessarily agree with deleting ALL of someone’s entries but I can see where it makes sense from time to time depending on the situation. Like this post, it has nothing to do with the topic so deleting it probably wouldn’t hurt my feelings… :)

    I’m hoping for a good outing by our injury ridden Packers this weekend – GO PACK!!!

  • Reid

    All About – good points. A person can disagree with someone without insulting them. Just say “I disagree, and here is why…”. Instead we have people on here just bashing away and nothing productive comes out of it. Sorry, but I couldn’t resist giving it back to them a few times. Reminds me of my in-laws.

  • Pete H

    I think it is very scary when we have to be concerned about beating the Falcons at Lambeau…

  • AllAboutThePack

    Well, the odds-makers still have Green Bay by 7 with an over under of 43.5 so they’re expecting some points to be scored.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Jeez…

    J. Sitton T Knee day-to-day
    K. Hall RB Knee day-to-day
    A. Rodgers QB Shoulder Doub Sun
    A. Bigby S Hamstring day-to-day
    A. Harris CB Abdominal out for season
    J. Harrell DT Back PUP
    C. Jenkins DT Pectoral I-R
    J. Jansen LS Knee I-R
    J. Coston G Knee I-R
    E. Moore WR Knee I-R
    S. Bodiford WR Knee I-R

  • Reid

    Forgot
    Woodson-toe
    Collins-back
    Martin-finger
    Lumpkin-hammy
    etc

  • AllAboutThePack

    Those guys are probable though right? I think the ones I listed are Out or Questionable – I think the rest are probably for the game… I could be wrong there as the list I posted was from the Vegas odds and lines website.

  • TRIP

    Pete H–

    It’s not like the Falcons have never beaten us in Lambeau, hint hint (playoffs).

    But Stomps–

    I have to agree, there have been times that Al has deleted me for throwing insults but those insults normally came after he deleted me for simply not agreeing. He says some outlandish things at times (like implying a few days ago that someone was less of a fan because he referred to the Packers as “Green Bay”) and he’d probably would get deleted under the same standards that he deletes others. So I think it’s better not to ban anyone from the site, filter the PERSONAL hits, not the hits on your opinion. Hell, it is his site but that does speak plenty about the integrity/quality of the site. Let’s keep it fair, that’s my vote.

  • TRIP

    P.S. I know what I’m saying means nothing. I’m just stating opinion.

    Al takes plenty of liberty in deleting comments/blogs that he was well off point, like the one from last week where the Packers were suppose to roll over the Bucs. And that’s fine, but I just don’t think he’s that good of a pundit (not a personal attack) to tell someone on here that they are “wrong” for having a different take on the Brett Favre saga, the first players taken in TT’s drafts, the backup QB situation, whatever. I think all opinions relating to football are fair game and should not be deleted. Al admits he has wide swings of emotion just like all passionate fans do, and that’s the very reason he should not be deleting someone, because their emotions swung in a different direction.

    With this, I hope we can focus on football more, and not Al or Jon, lol.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I’m actually still trying to get the rest of the game watched…….. I’m to the INT for a TD by Woodson. On that play Jenkin’s was practically in a head lock (no holding penalty) and before that on Rouse’s pass interference, I couldn’t believe that horseshit call!!! Not to mention in the 1st where the TB WR runs out to/into our DB and he gets an illegal contact penalty. Officiating has been horseshit. Maybe we have a conspiracy here? Maybe Goodell’s getting even for the Favre fiasco??? I guess they’ll have to teach our DB’s to run away, when the receiver is running at them!! Looks as if in Rouse’s case they’re going to have to have eyes surgically implanted in the back of his head w/a couple holes in the back of his helmet to look through…….. They want the DB’s to play the ball but they can’t expect them to see the WR slow down so they don’t bump into them. WR’s push off, interfere and the DB’s get called for every little thing. They’re ruining the game…… no lead is safe anymore. It’s just one refs flag away at any given time from become a new game……. Ticky-tacky-touchy fricken mess…… Don’t hit the QB except in certain spots, don’t hit the WR too hard, don’t tackle from behind, don’t touch the WR past 5 yards(that’s up for interpretation too as Al Harris put that guy down last year inside of 5 yards and he’s keeping him there, they threw the ball to that guy and Al got the PI penalty), don’t put your hand up and block the ball or the WR’s vision, offensive line holding is OK (just so long as you only hold for a one count and release), WR pass interference is fine unless he tackles DB before the ball gets there, careful with that hand by the face mask but it’s OK if the RB shoves his hand in your facemask, and for god’s sake don’t stick your hand too high on the jam to the WR cause if he crouches a little on his take off…… your gonna get it too. The new NFL defense….. just try to slow them down some, hope they make some mistakes to ruin drives and try to come up w/a big play of your own every once and a while. Let the scorin’ continue!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Matt Hayton

    Matt Hayton Says:
    Just found my archive prediction for the season…
    looking more and more like 5-11 or 6-10…I think at best we’ll be 3-4 at the bye and could easily be 2-5, if Rodgers doesn’t play this Sunday…

    August 12th, 2008 at 11:10 am
    With our brutal schedule…my prediction for this team is 7-9…think they will struggle early going 2-5 before the bye and then improve as the season continues and the schedule gets a little easier…Tehy could only be 5-11 or 6-10 if they suffer some injuries…10-6 if they play lights out and gel quickly with Rodgers at the helm…

  • Reid

    Matt – I’m trying to stick to the new, and much needed, code of the Packernet. I’m not sure I understand your point. Your predictions range from 5-11 to 10-6. I don’t view this as making much of a prediction. I see this as you updating your prediction as the season plays out, what is your point?

  • Michael Legat

    With the injuries, I think 8-8 is a distinct possibility. I would say that this would lead to wild overreactions and hysteria, but that already arrived in week three.

  • paul

    #1. I said 4-12 before the season started…
    #2. I also agree that the officiating has been horrid this year, in many games, and will not get better.
    #3. I hope I am wrong

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    Reid – Thanks. The future is what we need to worried about, and yes, we should be worried.

    Larry – I remember the Bart and Zeke. It was amazing. If Bart went down Zeke came in and it was like Bart never left. They looked exactly the same, it was like you just changed numbers. The Packers have been blessed too long, they need to get back in that mindset of having a good backup. I think Rodgers plays Sunday and plays well.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Unfortunately I’m not going to do any predictions as too many things can go right or wrong… I’ll do my predictions week to week based on the lines and odds. I think we win this week over Atlanta but I don’t think we beat the line… I think we win by 4 or less. Too many injuries for this to be a blowout but I think the D keeps us ahead in this game but I also think the OL will allow Atlanta to stay in the game.

    Either way, a W in the W/L column is what I predict. Next week? HA! Let’s see how healthy we come out of this week.

  • AllAboutThePack

    Devil’s – I watched it on TIVO as well, paused and replayed a bunch. You called it man – too many mistakes from the officiating crew but we didn’t help our case any on many of the plays.

    Reminds me of that commercial where the ref says something to the affect: “I totally blew that call, but later in the game, when it really matters, I’ll make a call on the other team for no apparent reason”.

    It was really frustrating to watch at points.

  • Pete H

    I get what you guys are saying about the officiating, but this team is making way too many mistakes to put anything on them. Make some plays and the officiating won’t matter so much.

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    While it is clear the officials made some horrible calls last week, very questionable when marking the ball, the holding calls and the false starts are getting ridiculous. All the things the Packers were good at last year they are struggling with this year. Did they start the season overconfident? Could be. If they can suck it up and beat the Falcons I will feel much better. Lets not look too far down the road with this team. With the string of injuries showing no sign of letting up, we don’t even know who will be playing from week to week. You wanted a challenge Mike McCarthy? You got one.

  • packer_bob

    I don’t really want to talk about Brett Favre anymore, as it doesn’t matter now and whether the decision was right or wrong will be judged over years, not a few games from the first season post-Favre. I wish him well, and will point out that a quarter of a season through all he’s doing is leading the league in TD’s and quarterback rating for 4-12 team from a year ago, without even being fully comfortable with his new teammates or the offense. Amazing!

    But the bottom line for the Pack right now is that we haven’t looked good, especially against competent opponents. We can’t run, protect our quarterback, stop the run, get much pressure from the D-line——oh, and we’re turning the ball over, committing a boat load of penalties, our new punter sucks and let’s see, should I go on? I agree with those also who have commented about our lack of adjustments and would say that in large chunks of the last few games we have been outcoached.

    Getting back to the original point of this thread, I’m not in panic mode yet as who would have said at this point last season that the Giants would end up as the champs. We have time to get these things fixed. But Lord knows we have pretty substantial list of things that need fixing (see above) and if it doesn’t start happening REALLY SOON, I’m afraid we can kiss this season good bye. That would be too bad, as I felt after the success of last season that we would be looking to at least get to the Super Bowl. Without some dramatic, quick improvement, that looks to be a pipe dream.

  • Reid

    I don’t really want to talk about Brett Favre anymore, but I’m going to devote an entire paragraph to talking about Brett Favre. C’mon, Bob. New Packernet law: current team, current issues, no insults, no B.S.. Stick to it like your last 2 paragraphs.

    paul – I agree with #3 and, if #3 is true, I’ll be more than happy to send you a case of brewskis.

    Tomorrow goes a long way to determining our season. We HAVE to win, the O-line HAS to play like the last 8 games of last year. If not, #3 from paul…..?

  • Matt Hayton

    Reid-
    My prediction was 7-9, but said if we had injuries I could see us losing a few games we shouldn’t (i.e – tomorrow against the falcons), putting us at 6-10 or 5-11.

    And, if everything fell just right, we’d be 10-6…

    maybe the part you are missing here is that this was stated in a previous thread where many of the predictions we 12-4, 11-5 or even 13-3…

    So my point is that losing tomorrow is the difference between 6-10 and 7-9.

    Oh yeah and just for the heck of it: TT Sucks!!!

  • TC

    Hey, I started the panic mode when all the MILWAUKEE SPORTS RADIO KNOW IT ALLS said Favre was expendable. Oh, geez just give AROD a chance. OMG!

    To all newer Packer fans who didn’t have to go thru all the BS from 1969-1993 I ENVY all of you.

    6 TD passes for a WASHED UP QB! Not bad Al???????????????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Matt Hayton

    Here’s another bold prediction for you…
    Matt Flynn will be the starting QB for the Packers in 2-3 years. Just a hunch…but there is something I like about this guy…His demeanor, his poise, calm under pressure

    Trust me, I want Rodgers to succeed…I’m pulling for him, but in my opinion, he just won’t get the job done, the deck is just stacked against this guy and he has been dealt very unfair hand…heads will roll and his will be one of the them…the Packers will be rebuilding in 2 years and Flynn will be the guy that wins the job.

    You can call me Nostradamus in 2 years when this unfolds before your eyes…but just remember that you heard it here first:)

    I know…call me a crazy kook and every name in the book…let the games begin…
    And by the way, I’ll stand by my statement after the game, even if he has a rough go tomorrow, as I would expect any rookie QB to have playing his first NFL game.

    But watch him tomorrow, if he gets the go, there will be rookie mistakes, but there will be flashes of a leader and a gamer, as well.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Matt, Rodgers is a good QB and Flynn isn’t. Pennington is a leader and gamer but he never had the arm to back off a defense. Rodgers does. True, he lost his poise against Tampa and tried too hard. But if he can maintain his cool(something Brett struggled with) he’ll be a winning QB. Now is not the time to panic, it’s the time to work hard to be cohesive and keep your head up.

  • packer_bob

    New packernet law: Do not use the names “Brett” or “Favre”; in act, when possile avoid using the letters “B” or “F.”

    I we don’t eat the Atlanta alcons today, we will e in ig troule the rest o’ the season.