Keep those names in mind Jeff; thats probably your future OL and DL nucleous. I suppose we could pull a Ditka and go for a Bush but that didnt bring a SB to NO did it? Or how about a blockbuster trade like Hershal Walker/Minn which built the Aikman/Smith/Ervin Boys. Whoops! We tried that w/Hadl. I’d rather have 10 picks every yr than that #1 and the record that goes with it. As to trading out of the first rnd (with a good record) a high second is usually as good as a low 1st and a heck of a lot cheaper. Also, the 2 is extremely valuable as trade bait for that team looking for “that” player. Stay the course. I feel like Vince must have felt when he gathered a bunch of underachievers and said “Gentlemen, this is a football”. Well, it takes at least 22 to play – right on cheez, it takes a lot of luck (say lack of injuries) to win it all.

I think some of you people forget how active Wolf was in the free agency market. Yes, he always drafted best player, but he filled needs with guys in the market he knew could play!

Cali – good call, and funny. And for the record, I meant pay Pro Bowl salaries, a lot of the ‘girls just became Pro Bowlers last year. Let’s see how many of them they can keep when contracts come due.

If you wanted to go a little farther back, let’s say the 90′s………….. Had Wolf been able to find a decent left tackle, all those play-off games at Dallas could have been in Green Bay. Then the 90′s may have been the Packers instead of Dallas’ decade. I remember them having a Brown (couldn’t block crap), then drafting John Michaels who busted, then they tried Wahle who failed miserably at tackle and half way through that experment they switched to their 2nd rounder Clifton and has bee there since.

Some of you should keep drinking the Wolf, Wolf/Holmgren kool-aid!!!! You had a team all those years w/the best QB to ever live and the best DE to ever live along w/the mastermind Holmgren/assistant coaches, all on one team and all they got was ONE SB victory. Drink it up!

DA, we were competitve with some all time teams and coaches. That looks pretty good right now. I remember the decades before Wolf!
To have the kind of dominance you mention with free agency you have to cheat like N.E. Who, by the way also got any number of veterans through trades and free agency. Or draft perfectly with very high picks like Dallas and S.F. and hold onto those players. By the way they went after special veterans too.

Pete, I say good for them, it was great to have them, we have to see what these guys can do – if we give them the kinda time at the helm of GB that we gave Wolf / Holmgren, we might find we have something. These guys aren’t going to do it the same way but change isn’t always a bad thing. Based on what I’ve seen, so far, it isn’t terrible. I think if we go back a few forums here you’ll see that we dug up the records of the teams while Wolf/Holmgren/Favre were in the mix – the teams started out 9-7 for the first three years. I think everyone is missing the point that it takes a new regime time to put together the perfect mix – give it some time, if it doesn’t work it will be hard to hide. So far though, the records over past few seasons don’t give us the “bunch of losers” we are looking for. I think it may take a couple of seasons to figure out if we really ARE barking up the wrong tree.

If what we hope is that he turns out to be Corey Williams then why trade Corey Williams and not an oft injured Harrell?

I doubt we would have gotten much for an injured rookie 1st round pick. Plus, Williams admitted after the trade that he wanted out of Green Bay If someone doesn’t want to be here, I don’t care how good they are, they need to go and let’s get what we can for them (Javon Walker, Mike McKenzie….) before they destroy the psyche of the guys who do want to be here.

Yeah, we need some help off the field alright….like a GM who watches “the football part”

My bad IC, yes the Williams boys would be sweet. Jeff, what about Woodson? Reid, I agree with you somewhat, but I will say that being here in Chicago I heard all about how Lance Briggs would dare play another down for the Bears 2 years ago……he’s a stud for the Bears. I realy don’t care that much if they love GB or not. Even the ones who love it are still going to go where the money is. Point is will they play like it?

Pete – I was focusing on the linemen. Yes, Woodson was a great grab. So were Jennings and Jones. Collins seems to be coming around as does Williams and Blackmon. I think Jordy Nelson is looking good too.

I’m not blind to the good things the man has done, but I listed the ten linemen he drafted between 2005 and 2007 and not one has really come alive yet. You could make an argument for Jolly I suppose, but he’s hardly dominant – certainly not a game changer.

I think Harrell gets at least until the end of his second year to show significant promise. If he isn’t doing serious damage by then, I doubt he’ll ever live up to his draft status. He doesn’t have to be a holy terror, but he needs to show us something. C’mon, Justin. Prove me wrong. Make me eat these words. Nothing would make me happier than to have you grow into a screaming stud of a DT.

Pete H, thanks for setting me straight about the Wolf FA activity, other than Sean Jones I hadn’t realized the scope of it. It’s tough to admit I was wrong, also, because I’m such a draftnic freak. However, I don’t think its possible to FA with that fervor anymore in any case. The players just aren’t there and the player contract now in place lets the teams designate those they really want to keep. I guess I’m old school and need that $ in the bank for the development of what we have. I’ll replace the prior mistakes with the new draft and do that with extra picks. I think I have an advantage over the next guy when I have 3-4 more picks every year than he does. Its going to take several years of losing teams to prove TT wrong in my way of thinking. Oh well, its still the greatest game and the greatest team and the greatest fans going for me.

TT has the 1 dimensional approach and it ain’t working. end of story…bottom line. He’s a loser.

With the 53 man roster of today, it’s pretty hard to keep the needed amount of players that can play if needed and keep many to develope. Do the math and you’ll need 22 for the O and D. Another (3) for special teams. (2)-4 DB’s for the nickel and dime plus at least (1) back-up that can step in and play in case of injury, a (1) spare safety for injuries and (2) LB’s that can play in case of injury. Need one extra of each DT and DE (2) for the DL rotation and again for injuries (2 more). O-line (2) minimum for injuries, G and T, spare TE (1) and RB (1) FB (?). Need (2) WR’s for spread formations on O and a spare for injury (1), an extra QB (1). If you add all those up, that should be the minimum number of players needed every week to play…… and these would have to be guys that can play w/little drop off. That’s 43 for necessity and then they can only dress 45 for a game. That leaves 10 spots extra over the bare bones minimum and if you fill those spots with players to develope for the future and you have a few injuries at one spot, they’ll have to play. You fill those spots w/free agents………… you won’t develope players and will have to play the F/A market every year. Anyway, keep up the good work Larry!! RayL is past reason. Who says we have to drink the kool-aid?? I’m just waiting to see how things turn out……. A win today could be a huge stepping stone to a good year, certainly not the end if they lose. Sometimes winning a game like this or finding a certain play you can run even when the other team knows it’s coming will help a team take off for the year. And now we’ve hit the point of the season where a couple of the 6-0, 5-0, 5-1 teams fall apart and a couple of the so-so’s start their run. Let’s hope the Pack is one of them!!!!!!

C’mon Larry – Get with the program! A second round draft pick is nothing for a 32 year old with 12 seasons of NFL wear n’ tear and a salary of $11M / year! He did catch three passes for 17 yards in last week’s 34-0 Chiefs loss to the Panthers. Everybody except TT can see he’s the missing piece to put us over the top….

I hope that’s a joke Legat.

No victory blog?

trip….al must be at the game.