Packers certainly in position

Considering all that has happened since late June, and the schedule the Packers have played, I am more than pleased with where the Packers are seven games into the season. The Packers have already played four teams that made the playoffs last year and another, the Vikings, who were many pundits pick to at least win the NFC. It may not have went according to script, I think I predicted they would be 5-2 at the bye, but I am by no means disappointed.

The Packers have overcome injuries to starters Al Harris, Atari Bigby and Cullen Jenkins, and the defense still had their best game of the year last week against the Colts. All of a sudden safety Nick Collins has emerged as the playmaker he was expected to be. The thing with guys like Collins who come out early and start right away, if you stick with them the reward could be huge. In the case of Collins, the Packers might have hit gold. He still has nine games to play, but I think his play this year has been the surprise of the defense.

Having said that, I feel like I slighted Charles Woodson in a way, but I guess we set the bar is higher for Woodson. After seven games the Packers’ defensive MVP has to be Woodson. He has taken leadership of this defense from the start of the season and because of that the Packers have been able to bounce back from the injuries and are showing what they are really capable of.

Offensively everything begins and ends with quarterback Aaron Rodgers and wide receiver Greg Jennings. These two seem to have found the same niche that former QB Brett Favre had with Donald Driver. That doesn’t mean Driver is not part of the offense, in fact, Rodgers spreads the ball out very well, it is just that Jennings is the bigger talent at this stage of their careers. Driver is an inspiration to the whole unit and his presence should never be understated.

Those who doubted Rodgers’ ability to replace Favre should be feeling much better at this stage. Rodgers has been stellar all year and also showed his toughness in playing through an injury to his throwing shoulder while still playing at a high level. His accuracy is astounding with only four interceptions and two of those were not his fault. He never throws into triple coverage which has resulted in a few more sacks, but fewer game-changing interceptions. The decision to go with Rodgers continues to prove itself each and every week. If Rodgers stays healthy, the only thing he hasn’t proven yet for a full season, the Packers are a playoff team. With the declining Favre, who already has eight interceptions in one less game than Rodgers, the Packers would not be 4-3.

With running back Ryan Grant starting to show some signs of life and head coach Mike McCarthy’s willingness to give him the ball 30 times a game, the Packers are a team to be reckoned with. The defense was mostly responsible for the three game losing streak, and while might be a little harsh, they have redeemed themselves the last two weeks and that shows how good the Packers can be. The Packers’ offense is for the most part much unstoppable, they will get their yards and points, when the defense helps with points of their own, it results in wins like last Sunday. Before I rant about Favre, I will predict Packers 24, Titans 9. Hey, the early prediction worked last week.

Now, since at this point in time, two days after the story broke, it has become clear that the anointed one, Brett Favre called the Detroit Lions to offer tips on how to beat the Packers. Why am I not surprised? Favre has acted like a baby during this whole ordeal. Going on Greta? Come on? Ripping Ted Thompson? Come on? All Thompson has done was turn the team from a loser to a winner. Sorry for that Brett. The fact is the Packers are clearly better with Rodgers at the helm. Favre has looked pathetic since his six touchdown aberration a few weeks ago. His two interception, three fumble performance last week in Oakland I think signals a slow decent into hell. And when former teammate LeRoy Butler says this is only the tip of the iceberg, that there are “other stories that are going to come out” about Favre, Packers’ fans have to be feeling extremely betrayed. And you think I am emotional.

Brett, you’ve gone away mad, now just go away. How sad this is. Favre may not be in the Ring of Honor in Lambeau Field for a long time, and in my mind, should have to wait a year to get in to the NFL Hall of Fame. He has disrespected the game, there is no honor in that. I wish big Irv was around to kick him in the butt. How sad for Packers’ fans and Favre’ fans alike. But how many old time stars have we seen end their careers in disgrace? The list is long. Ad #4 to it. As Vince Lombardi once said “it takes years to build a reputation, but only an instant to lose it.” Brett just lost it.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    My thought is that coming off a rough year with no ground game and rookie guards ARod wouldn’t have done as good as #4. A veteran QB was imperative, the coaches were untried as well. Our D-line was better but I think last year Rodgers would have been a miserable failure. The whole team is more mature now and schemes like 4 wide are established. #4 gave it everything he had. With the team we had last year it wasn’t enough to win the SB but shouldn’t someone admit to some appreciation of what he did give us. I’ve said before the change was probably made for sound football reasons but why do people have to hate #4 like Al does.

  • http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/GreenBayPackersSuperBowl1n2nX-X-X-1Champs/ Jim Calhoun

    THIS IS WHY THEIR WAS A PROBLEM IN THE FIRST PLACE….THE MEDIA HAS DOGGED BRETT FOR THE PAST 7 YEARS BECAUSE IN A PASSING STATMENT HE SAID SOMEDAY WHEN I RETIRE AND EVER SENSE THEY MADE IT AN ISSUE,,THE GUY CHANGED HIS MIND AND HE WAS AND SO WAS MIKE AND TOM ALL DUMB ENOUGH TO BELEIVE WHAT THEY READ,,THESE GUYS CALL BRETT OR MIKE OR TOM AND NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY TO THEM THEY TWIST WHAT SOMEONE SAYS AROUND SO THEY CAN CAUSE CONFLICT WHERE THERE IS NONE,,,WHEN MATT CALLED BRETT 5 YEARS AGO WHEN HIS DAD DIED TO GIVE HIS CONSOLENCE NOONE SAID HE WAS GIVING AWAY SCRETS THEN,,MY GOD MAN STOP IT,,,THIS SHOULD BE ABOUT THE GREEN BAY PACKERS NOT BRETT NOT YOU,,,

    GO PACKERS

  • Larry

    For what its worth; my opinion is that Favre is with the J-E-T-S to sell tickets, not win. You dont rebuild with a 39 yr old. I think ARod the better QB for us because he can grow along with the team around him and an INT takes the ball away from us while a SK often gives us another shot. Given the status of the team today (yes, maybe only potential) I think TT/MM are doing a great job. Think hard, we have relatively few holes to fill and some cash to retain the best, rather than spend on unknowns (relative to how they would fit in considering chemistry in the locker room). Frankly, I think a lot of crap has been thrown at Brett over the MINN/DET things. What good does the past do to know when BF doesnt know the game plan or the checkoffs for the current games? Enjoy the season guys, come hell or high water this is our team this year.

  • Pete H

    Since we’re having bye week fun here it goes. Nice spin job iccy, but hardly purely factualy based. To say that the Giants had to find themsleves is speculation……Part of the reason that they had to find themselves is that a “so-so” team like the Packers went to New York and beat them. Fact…of the 3 other teams who played in the championship game last year Packers went 2-0…period. Packers at that point had the worst rushing game in the league…fact. To say that the Redskins playoff surge is Todd Collins based is also speculation…and a very loose one at that. Rodgers has been phenominal, as was Favre last year. For any side to say that one is hands down better is really splitting hairs right now. Its not like its the comparison of Grossman or Orton for cripes sake. We got where we did last year in very large part to Favre, and we lost when we did in part to Favre as well. We have gotten where we are this year in large part to Rodgers, wins and losses. Rodgers brings an element of running that we haven’t seen since 90′s Brett, which is nice. He also doesn’t just let it fly like Brett did, but Brett won a whole lot more than he lost that way, including last year….Denver, KC, Minn., etc. I love where we are at with Rodgers, its calming after 16 years of Brett, but I will say that I never had more fun watching a QB, regardless of result; noone has or will produce more memories for me…good and bad, but always memorable, than Brett, and that is what watching football is all about to me. I will say to Larry that I do not think that Favre was brought to
    New York to sell tickets. In this league every year can produce winners from the obscure. Look at GB last year. The Jets are just as likely to get there as any other team in the AFC, especially if you look at the “favorites” now. they think they can in it now. Besides,we should all be rooting for that because it means a higher draft pick for us.

  • Larry

    Right on, Pete!

  • iccyfan

    Pete H Says: October 25th, 2008 at 6:39 am
    “Since we’re having bye week fun here it goes. Nice spin job iccy, but hardly purely factualy based. To say that the Giants had to find themsleves is speculation……Part of the reason that they had to find themselves is that a “so-so” team like the Packers went to New York and beat them. To say that the Redskins playoff surge is Todd Collins based is also speculation…and a very loose one at that.”
    ===============
    Pete – So I added a couple of opinion-based comments; what about all the other facts that show Aaron Rodgers, thru seven games, is having a better season than BF did thru seven games in 2007? Note: I was answering TRIP’s challenge to provide a “valid argument” as to why AR could be considered an upgrade to BF.

    The Giants did not play well early last season and there were reports that Tom Coughlin’s job was in peril. They had two “quality wins” in their first 11 games (squeaked by the Eagles and Redskins) and got killed by the Cowboys, Packers, Vikings, etc. As for the Redskins, they were 5-7 when Jason Campbell was injured versus the Bears; Todd Collins rallied them to win that game and the next three, sneaking into the playoffs at 9-7. I don’t think either of my opinion-based comments was a stretch…

    I was a big Brett Favre fan as well and I still don’t wish him ill, but the only thing certain in life is change and I’m not living in the past. Ted Thompson isn’t either and he shouldn’t be vilified for it…

  • Larry

    Right on, Iccy!

  • Pete H

    Don’t get me wrong, I get where you’re coming from. I was just pointing out that facts can be played with however anyone wants, just watch these candidates go at each others “facts”

  • iccyfan

    I’m gone for the next two days so I’m gonna take one parting shot before I leave (for the Iowa State / Texas A&M game). Your previous statement is the kinda stuff from the BF lovin’ / TT hatin’ side that drives the TT supporters (ie-kool-aid drinkers) crazy. TRIP says (in paraphrase), “I believe we’d be 6-1 if BF was still the QB; make a valid argument why AF is an upgrade.” I spend a little time on profootballreference.com researching FACTS that support the AR/TT side; you CAN’T refute them so you cavalierly dismiss them as easily manipulated. :(

    Like everyone here, I hated the way the Favre versus Packers issue played out, but unlike many, I believe Favre was near 100% at fault and put the Packers in an untenable situation. How many back-handed slaps did he deal Aaron Rodgers during that ordeal, for instance telling Greta Van Sustren (and anyone else who would listen) that the Packers won’t make it an open competition because everybody knows who would win? BF was aloof from his teammates and considered himself bigger than the organization; I’d submit TT did him yet another favor as it’s now obvious that Aaron Rodgers is better and would have beaten the 39 y/o Favre out in an open competition!

    End of rant – I’m out! Go Packers and Go Cyclones…

  • Pete H

    Whoa there horsey! I din’t dispute your facts, or say they were manipulated. I simply said that you chose to use facts that predominantly verify your cause. I notice you didn’t use any of the facts that I pointed out though did you? If you are going to make an argument, expect an argument! Perhaps you should read ENTIRE posts before jumping to delsuional conclusions. If we were playing football would you now take your ball and go home? It is your type of blind faith in TT as though because he makes the decisions, and he has been successful here so far, that noone should even consider the idea that even one of his decisions could be wrong!!!! You wanted facts, I gave you some facts too. Its an argument that is unwinable for anyone…..as I have already pointed out if you could read….Some of you on here act like TT is your little sister or something WTF!

  • Pete H

    If we aren’t going to have any give and take on this site let me know so I can go find some adults to speak to. I mean do we really want to just line up and take turns getting up on a soap box and then crying foul when someone, heaven forbid, disagrees! There are two sides to every issue, and not everyone is ALL on one side or the other.

  • Larry

    The TT controversy seems like it will last longer than BF’s. However, I maintain that those who think TT rules w/ an iron fist or shuns input from subordinates have blinders on. We can all carp and disagree w/ any decision made in the end by TT, but I think it would be foolish to assume (yeah, break it down) he wouldn’t admit a mistake. I’m not aware of any “mistakes” because in the end its so subjective and opinionated. How can you possibly quantify a “mistake” when you can’t definitively measure action or lack of action by scientific means. Its all conjecture guys, along with the bounce of the ball. Everything that happens on the field has been indirectly touched by TT, but in the end he doesn’t call the play, run, block, pass, or tackle. Adult enough for you Pete?

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Larry, I’m sure TT has a lot of input. But he’s the one who decides who stays and who goes. Which draft picks are made and which free agents we pick up. Ultimately he’ll be judged on our teams sucess or failure. You can judge Brett based on his interception in overtime in the champioship game. And you can judge TT on whether we get to another one.

  • Larry

    Yeah, for sure. In the end thats what will matter. Allthough I’d really have 10yrs of winners than a SB. Been there, done that, and those constant losing years sure nag.

  • CheesyD

    From FOX Sports…

    “FOX Sports has learned that both of the Minnesota Vikings’ Pro Bowl defensive tackles, Kevin Williams and Pat Williams, are also facing suspensions for testing positive for the same product. Losing one of the Williams would be a major blow to the Vikings but to possibly lose both would serve as a major blow to the NFC North contenders.

    The Williams aren’t the only defensive tackles facing the penalty as well. FOX Sports has also learned that the Falcons’ Grady Jackson tested positive for the water pill and is facing a four-game ban just like the other players who are currently fighting the suspension. ”

    HaHa!! Silly Viqueens…

  • iccyfan

    Pete – I didn’t take my ball and go home; indicated clearly I was leaving for a college football game and wouldn’t be around to continue the discussion for greater than 24 hours. I am unclear as to which “facts” you provided that I ignored. Was it these?

    “Pete H Says: October 25th, 2008 at 6:39 am Fact…of the 3 other teams who played in the championship game last year Packers went 2-0…period. Packers at that point had the worst rushing game in the league…fact.”

    I don’t yet know who will play in the two championship games this season, so was unable to include in my comparision.

    As for rushing attacks, for 2007 Green Bay was 28th ranked in rushing attempts, 21st ranked in rushing yards and 13th ranked in rushing TD’s. Thus far for 2008, Green Bay is 9th in rushing attempts, 17th in rushing yards and 19th in rushing TD’s. Aaron Rodgers doesn’t appear to be the beneficiary of a greatly improved rushing attack, but then we all knew that without seeing the stats. The offense is however much more balanced from a run / pass standpoint.

    I love adult conversations but wonder if this one is for naught, as I don’t think you’d change your mind for love or money! Doesn’t really matter to me; I’m just passing time during a slow period. See ya in the funny papers….

  • TRIP

    I have to be honest, I didn’t read all of that, lol.

    Iccy, call me what you want, but out of all the statistics the greatest was the 6-1 versus the 4-3. Favre wasn’t perfect, but he lead the team to victory last year, minus the ‘Boys, Bears, and the world champion. Also, having a MVP caliber SEASON is determined on just that, we really don’t know if A-Rod is an upgrade until January. And even then, we need to see how he fares in the playoffs(if we make it), will he disappoint in some of the ways Favre did? Who knows…

    Your isolated statistics are an upgrade from Al’s pure hatred for Favre, but do not tell the whole story. Beyond pass attempts, percentages, yadda yadda, let’s look at the big picture. One thing I can say about the differences between this team and the 2007 team is the rushing game. Favre when 6-1 with the league’s (32nd) worst rushing offense (after 7 games). A-Rod has led us to 4-3 with the 22nd best rushing offense (after 7 games). It’s far from dominant, but our new guy is getting better production out of that aspect of the offense. Complain about Ryan Grant all you want, but Favre was working with DeShawn Wynn, there’s a difference. Comments can be made about that, as well. But that just shows how limited the X’s and O’s of statistics can be.

    I am not a Favre-lovin’ TT-hatin’ fan. I’ve gotten over Favre not being in GB. I’m only responding to the nonsense spoken by someone else. Truth be told, I’m very curious to how this team would have fared had Favre came back. A-Rod’s the guy, and I want him to perform wonderfully. But when someone says, “A-Rod was clearly an upgrade (THIS SEASON)”, that’s a hard pill for me to swallow, given Favre just had one of his best seasons last year and Packers had one of their best seasons since the Golden Years! That’s all, these opportunities don’t come around often; as we see, they are very sensitive as well. To say that Rodgers was an UPGRADE when we’ve matched our losses for all of last season BEFORE reaching the middle of the this season, is a stretch to me. In respect to the Bucs and Falcons losses, we won those similar close games last year at the hands of Favre. But it’s all good, on one hand, Al threatens to delete any comments made concerning Favre, on the other hand, brings Favre up whenever he deems necessary. That’s what I was responding to.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Hey TRIP…………. This year’s schedule is way, way tougher than last years. And they got a gift in there somewhere last year. Should have been 5-2 at this point last year vs. 4-3 this. Then again, they don’t give you anything extra for a 13-3 record vs. 12-4 when it’s time to play in the championship game. Then, it’s just who makes the plays, when needed. I think Rodger’s stands a good chance with another nine games of experience under his belt. Can’t blame Favre, but it just didn’t happen, one way or another, for him in the last dozen years…………….

  • Pete H

    Thank you TRIPP for saying what I was trying to, but much more clearly. ICCY, I was trying to say as TRIPP did that the facts you used were isolated, and that when you posted the facts you chose, you did not post those that I pointed out….simple as that. As you, though, I am only doing this in fun on the bye week, and I am not harboring any ill will with regards to Favre. As TRIPP said, its all good. I do feel that Favre gets severly undervalued here often, in efforts to validate the move. I personally don’t think anyone can win that argument…either side. We can all pull facts out of our asses to support our personal belief, but I think we are in good shape now, and we were in good shape then. Its impossible to say where we would be right now with Brett. Truth be told, we could win or lose literally any game the guy played…so who knows. I just want to be able to have back and forth like we are doing now without it becoming a black and white you’re either a Favre lover or a TT hater…no in between. And yes Larry, that was very adult…thank you.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I think today’s game shows what you all miss about Favre………. The mighty 1-6 Chiefs coming to New Jersey to play the Jets. Here’s a game that you’d think would be pretty simple, but after 3 INT’s, Favre pulls out yet another exciting come from behind win!!! That’s all good and makes for a little more excitement during the season, but that is not real exciting when your in the play-offs………… And we need someone who can bring a trophy home!!!! Can both Rodgers and Favrre play, hell yes!!! I’m thinging Rodger’s may be more consistant……………though.

  • TRIP

    Agreed, Pete.

    DA, 2 of those 6 wins came against the Giants and Chargers. So, I don’t know how much rougher this season has been. We played Vikings, Lions, Seahawks, & Colts who have all shown signs of lowliness this year, lol. The point I was making was that we won the close ones with Favre. Losing to ATL by 3? That wouldn’t have happened, the way we were playing, last year. Sure it’s speculation, but it is on both ends.

    I mean, unless you are the Patriots last season, the different between going to the playoffs and not going is the last 4 minutes of a few games. We closed well, under Favre, last season.

    By the way, Pete,

    I agree about Favre being undervalued on this site. I think that makes me more defensive than I truly am. It seemed as though these Packer fans can’t appreciate the good he brought the team. Anyways, let’s pray the Titans murder the Colts tomorrow (like we did) and they’re overconfident so we can beat them next week.

  • TRIP

    What’s consistent is 200-some starts. lol

    And sure Favre, knows how to throw an INT. But time will tell for Aaron. I was ready to pledge allegiance to Rodgers’ flag after week 2, but time will really tell what we are working with.

  • Reid

    Cody Says:

    October 22nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
    I think that is enough about Chuck Norris, he has nothing to do with out team, and Chuck Norris jokes haven’t been funny for 2 years. So please stop with them.. for the love of God.

    I think that’s enough about Brett Favre, he has nothing to do with our team, and Brett Favre comparisons haven’t been funny for 2 months. So pelase stop with them.. for the love of God.

    Plus, Chuck Norris could kick the sh*t out of Brett Favre every day of the week, and on the 8th day of the week that he invented.

  • iccyfan

    Trip writes: “One thing I can say about the differences between this team and the 2007 team is the rushing game. Favre when 6-1 with the league’s (32nd) worst rushing offense (after 7 games). A-Rod has led us to 4-3 with the 22nd best rushing offense (after 7 games). It’s far from dominant, but our new guy is getting better production out of that aspect of the offense.”

    I respond: One of the statistics you must have chosen to skip over was, Green Bay was #28 in rushing attempts for the entire 2007 season! That’s counting Ryan Grant’s stampede over the final eight games! For the first seven games of the season, the coaching staff basically abandoned rushing plays (or BF audibled out of the rush plays that were called from the sideline)! The coaching staff is calling more rushing plays this season, making the offense more balanced resulting in more rushing yards. It’s not rocket science, nor do I see it as legitimate support for Favre being the better QB. We might be 6-1 if the 2008 coaching staff wasn’t calling so many darn rushing plays!

    Simple tact – the offense has scored 33 more points thru seven weeks than the 2007 team did, yet their record is two games worse. Quite possibly the 2007 defense had more to do with the 6-1 start than the man behind center? :)

  • Larry

    C’mon guys, there is no way anyone can say with any, repeat any, justification what our record would be with or without any particular player. Different schedule, different teams at different times of the season, different game plan, different players starting, different injuries to different players. Anybody who would say with certitude that the record would be this or that is foolish. Enjoy the rest of the season, we’re going to have a different lineup after the bye. Jones, Bigby, Harris, Wells, Woodson’s toe, and probably Clifton’s knees are back in time for the roughest part of the schedule. I’m sure there is a lot I’m missing too that we don’t know about. We don’t even know what calls were made at the line last year or this, cut the crap about what the record would be and what games we would have won you’re not that clarvoyent (no such word, but you know what I mean).

  • Pete H

    It is legitimate because it could show a willingness by the team to ride the arm of Favre rather than continue to pound away with a subpar running game. Apparently it worked eh? You made your own point…How do you argue with a team that went 13-3 without running the ball? Oh ya, you go 4-3 while continuously pounding away with a guy who likes to dry hump his offensive lineman on running plays. You make an extremely valid point with the defense though, which is why this is an unwinnable argument for any side….too many variables as Larry has pointed out. This is a fun way to kill some bye week time though

  • iccyfan

    OK Larry. The bye week is now officially over so we can turn our attention back to the games on the field! From a fan standpoint, the bye week is boring; from a team standpoint, let’s hope it’s been as beneficial as you predict. :)

  • Larry

    Well, I’m sure no expert, I’ve just gotta believe. I just feel we’ve got to be stronger. As to pounding the ball into a lack of OL holes I seem to recall and idea of old that you set up the pass with a run, successful or not as the run maybe.

  • Roy Jamison

    The best number 4 on the field in the Jet-Chiefs game was wearing red. It was only one game and this is not a knock on the older gentleman in the green jersey. But, for those who watched the game, the Jets number 4 should have had at least 4 interceptions instead of 3. His pass was a direct email to Derrick Johnson who could have nailed a victory for the Chiefs and showed why KC is losing instead of winning by bobbling then dropping an easy Int.

  • Pete H

    You’re right, and the best #12 in the Packers Bucs game was Brian Griese.

  • iccyfan

    Larry – I completely agree that you need to run, regardless of the results, to set up the pass. I was “tongue in cheek” with the comment about “being 6-1 if we didn’t call so many darn run plays”, playing along with Pete’s theory regarding old #4. I should have inserted a ;) to indicate my sarcasm. Our inability to run versus the Giants in the NFC Championship game (Grant – 13 attempts for 29 yards) made us one dimensional and susceptible to defeat if the QB had less than a stellar outing. The G-Men prevailed by pounding the ball, with 37 rushing attempts to our 14. I hope we can get the o-line healthy and establish a strong run game from here on out, starting with the Titans! It’ll make the already effective Rodgers that much better…

  • Larry

    Thanks iccy I did misunderstand. You’re right, of course, about the run game; you’ve got to have at least a threat or you’re going nowhere in the long run. Think about it, when was the last time we high drafted a RB? Was it Donny Anderson or Jim Grabowski? Ah, I remember, it was John Brockington! It has to be the OL though, because Jackson and Grant seem to be the kind of runners that DEN had in the Elway years. One cut and the hole had better be there or squat. NYC fans not real happy, especially about the 99yd’er in the Red Zone. Oh well, not my problem anymore.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Since we’ve played the N.E. Cheaters 14 years ago (“96″) they’ve won 3 Super Bowls since. We’ve had Favre all that time and haven’t won any. It’s a team game and you can’t blame anyone person, but what’s the harm in starting a new QB?? Both can play the game, but why not switch over and take our chances???? What’s the worst that can happen………. 15 years? Bledsoe was a pretty decent QB also, til Brady took over and moved them up a notch.

  • iccyfan

    Larry Says: October 27th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
    “Think about it, when was the last time we high drafted a RB? Was it Donny Anderson or Jim Grabowski? Ah, I remember, it was John Brockington!”

    John Brockington might have been the last successful RB we drafted in the first round, but I can think of quite of few others since him. :( Barty Smith, a FB from UCONN or some other small eastern non-football power comes to mind. Eddie Lee Ivory, Brent Fullwood and Darrell Thompson were also 1st round picks if I’m not mistaken. Ebony n’ Ivory might’ve been a great one if not for the multiple knee injuries; he had some swagger! Fullwood could never learn the plays and Thompson was a stiff. There are probably more, but I can’t recall any in the past fifteen years… :(

  • Larry

    Just for fun can you imagine Brockington in this system. Even then he had LBs so shell shocked by the 4th Qtr they staggerd. It is fun, once in a while, to think back like that but oh those were tough years. We always had an All-Pro or two but what lousy teams and coaching.

  • Reid

    Pete H says: “….a guy who likes to dry hump his offensive lineman on running plays”.

    Now Pete H, that is funny!!! I spit on my computer on that one. Maybe we need to get Grant laid before the game?

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    So, anyone want to offer an opinion/guess as to who the Packers should/will release when they activate Harrell???

  • AllAboutThePack

    Hmmm… after the first series of the Titans / Colts game seems like the Titans are having trouble running the ball against the Colts… Could be a bit of an eye opener here… It’s no secret that they run the ball a lot and Kerry Collins is just a pedestrian QB managing the game not to lose instead of playing the game to win. Seems the Titans are planning on letting their running game and defense win games. Against bad teams that may work, but against teams with some kind of defense it seems they may not have all the tools afterall…

  • AllAboutThePack

    I know no one’s really missed my commentary but decided I’m probably not going to get involved in those BF / AR arguments anymore but there were a lot of interesting points up here – I’m with all of you though on the basic premise that we have a pretty darn good QB on the field and if we get most of this team healthy we could be dangerous here in the tougher part of our schedule.

  • Pete H

    I have to say that I agree with damn near everything thats been posted here today……I must be getting soft…….

  • Reid

    My guess on the player move made when Harrell is activated will be LB Danny Lansanah (sp?).

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I’ll buy that, and probably IR since he has what else, a hamstring injury and they signed him from the practice squad to keep him from signing somewhere else….

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I’d be surprised if the Pack doesn’t beat the Titans this week and if they stay fairly healthy, I see almost a carbon copy of last year. I expect to see the D keep getting crisper. The O better in the run game and better all around. They may have to travel in the playoffs but I’m not so sure that wouldn’t benefit them this year as well as last year w/the way they rely on their passing game…..

  • AllAboutThePack

    You know what’s kinda funny, I’m almost torn between Bigby and Rouse. Bigby is the better tackler and when he’s in the box teams find it hard to run. However, Rouse is a ball hawk and seems to be in position to make a play during passing downs. Wish I could have my cake and eat it too and get both of them in one package. I guess it does prove that we’ve got some depth at Safety and Corner though. I would really love to see our DL come alive and really start putting some needed pressure on QBs. They seem to be getting into the backfields but it always seems like they’re half a tick late.

    If our DL can make the Titans one dimensional by taking away the pass altogether I think we might have a chance. When we T’d off on the Vikings – no longer respecting the pass – we took away Adrian Peterson almost completely as well considering he rushes for over a buck and a half every game. I realize they have the “slash and dash” backfield, but our DL and LB’s should be able to plug enough holes to keep them from running all over us. And on passing situations, if they get back there and rustle Kerry Collins a little I bet our secondary has a field day returning INTs.

  • AllAboutThePack

    OH, and dare I say Tramon Williams has impressed as of late as well. I think we have some very talented athletes in our secondary. Come Sunday though, they better have learned how to wrap up those tackles cause these RB’s of the Titans will run right through them if they aren’t perfect.

  • Roy Jamison

    I will only believe that the Packers former number one draft pick of a DT will play when I see it. Just like the Chiefs should have known Brodie Croyle was an injury prone case, so should the Packers scouts known this guy was ambulatory.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Yeah, and that goes for Ryan Leaf, Tony Mandrich, Terrell Buckley, and the hundreds of others, that had obvious flaws over the last several decades!!!! Why can’t these guys who have spent 10′s of thousands of hours working their way up their perspective job ladders, spot this crap. After all, we can from just a few hours on the sofa each week………

  • TRIP

    LOL @ Pete and Reid. Grant is getting paid quite a bit to dry hump offensive linemen. Tsk tsk tsk! I don’t know, Iccy, there was a reason we could pound teams with the pass EVEN though they knew we weren’t going to run. And of course Grant didn’t get an enormous amount of carries, Favre continued to punish people. Grant got 30, 40, 50 yard runs, but Favre was the oen who truly kept the chains moving. That hurt us versus the Giants, but it led us to a dominant 14-4.

    Anyways, I got the result I wanted from last nights game. The Titans, I doubt, will be overconfident. However, they are on a short week and the Packers are refreshed. Unsure whether or not it would be an upset, but the team are primed to pull the win!

  • Larry

    DA you’re too much. I think a team that goes from 8-8 to 14-4 to 4-3 w/ a 1/2 doz. starters down is in pretty good hands. The Pack can stop TENN running W/ a healthy rotation of DLs. That is what MM is allowing the DC to do. Who can Collins throw to even if not sacked with our rejouvenated DB corps? Reverse that: if the OL cant spring the “humper” who on the TENN DB squad is going to take the ball away from AR, especially w/ Jones back? I’ve got a warm feeling for this one if only because I really feel like this is the first game and the start of a new season w/ everybody back and in the shape we should’ve started the season with.