I like you Larry, and I respect my elders.

DA, we’ve got to be careful with the ego thing. In the GBP organization everyone has a boss including TT and Murphy. I submit that ego plays a major part with Jones, Snyder, and Davis. To imply that an ego plays a part in TT decisions would be to belie the fact that he could be fired tomorrow. I would just as soon blame the trainer for our bad start this year (beyond 2-0) because of the injuries. Other than the OL injury problem, I’m convinced that Harrell’s situation has put us at least a year behind on the dynasty trip. Yeah, I haven’t been proven wrong to my satisfaction yet on his worth; time will tell.

Oh, how very, very true. Terrell Davis case in point. Not the power of Brown nor the cuts of Sanders. Not even All-Around like Walter, but oh those 2000 (or close to it) seasons. Even with “our” blocking scheme he sure made Elway look good.

Hey, I’ve gotta ask Larry. I’m not on ya or anything. I’m with ya and impressed how you continued to hold ground against all those “negative nellies” but Paul states you mentioned that TT/MM made the move to Rodgers to improve the team. I hadn’t read that anywhere…….. What up???

Yeah and some of these guys who can’t think past last summer or today have to realize how every move affects the chemistry of the team. Bring in a high priced player and have him not perform well and you’ll have every player on the team looking at the money that player is making and I can’t help but to imagine, getting a little bitter w/their contract. At least w/draft picks, if they fail you don’t lose the farm!!! I guess Paul or Legat will have to dig up the article where MM/TT states the move was made to improve the team……… Lastly, I thought Williams would excell in the 3-4 defense, who knew????

I did what now? I’d thought the sarcasm was a little more obvious.

C’mon Michael Legat………………. What haven’t you done?????????? (I’m just teasing). But seriously, I read that statement and kind of looked at the terminolgy of it and thought, oooh…… when was that said?

Paul, You know, I don’t doubt that they were slowing pushing Favre towards the door. I’m thinking they hoped it would have fell better. Funny thing is if you look at that draft and if someone would have snatched up Rodgers before then, we wouldn’t have all this. They’d have picked a different player and the future is rewritten. I suppose as a GM you’ve gotta consider picking a possible #1 overall that lands in your lap like that at 24, even if you didn’t plan too. This move would have had to have been made even if Favre hadn’t retired, there wasn’t a choice. Rodgers isn’t going to keep sitting on the bench when he could be starting elsewhere. He wouldn’t resign, I wouldn’t either if I were him. Then again, if they don’t pick up a decent QB with all the talk of retirement, then everyone would have been bitching about that, come some year Favre up and decided to retire. Anyway, back to the name calling Paul, we a little too hard on you I guess. Your first out, with your prediction, what do you know about anything??? Oh and don’t give me the 4-12 to 8-8. That’s not a prediction, that’s a range. I can guess 6-10 to 10-6 seasons for all the teams in the NFL and be right on half of them, HA.

Who says it isn’t a better move now or long term??? My rant is about what the whole crux of the season is about, Favre. Yours is obviously about Favre. Can’t seriously be getting that worked up over a punter, can you????

OK, Paul and DA, I think to put things in the simplest manner is to say this: not everyone is going to agree with our GM some will side with him whether he makes a bad choice or not and others will shoot holes in anything good that he does. So we Packer fans once again have to agree to seriously disagree on whether to believe in the TT/MM regime or to figure they’re screwing it all up. I’m personally a wait and see kinda guy. I don’t mind giving them some time to work with what they’ve built. I also know that nothing is guaranteed in this here NFL so no matter what the record at the end of the season anyone has a chance to get to the SB. I’d like to see the Packers just get into the playoffs again. I could care less if they do it at 8-8 or 10-6, let’s just get in, the season starts over at that point and it’s kinda like Texas Hold’em – you’re all in, you win or you’re out. I like our chances if we get into the playoffs, but the key is to get there first. If not, I refuse to write this year off as a complete failure as I’ve seen some very young players come into their own and really play some good football. All the better for next year, but I still would like to have that opportunity this year like everyone else.

So for now I’m holding out hope for each game individually and hoping for a good showing each week. Right now, I’m hoping for a good showing against the Aints. Has nothing to do with who did what when, it has to do with, can this team keep playing at the high level they did the week before. All the other bickering about what so and so could have or should have done really don’t hold water right now. We are where we are and hopefully this season will end above .500 and with the Packers as the NFC North Champions once again.

But if Paul would do a better job w/his blogging, than his predictions (four game spread), that’d help.

I certainly can see the other side also. Hey, we’re three points from the SB, don’t mess w/a good thing. We’ll come back one year better. We’ll cross those other bridges when we get to them. There’s alot of IF’S in that also.

Don’t forget that the rest of the team was lethargic against the Giants in the NFC CH game last year. I remember Bush trying to pick up the ball instead of falling on it. if he falls on it were in FG range game over No overtime. There was another dropped pass that would have put is in FG range No overtime….the run game and O-line was a no show. Don’t forget that MM had them practice inside all week prior to while the Giants practiced outside. just for the ones who were saying that BF can’t play in the cold anymore….

This should be fun, check it out.

It has been suggested that the draft is for losers. You’re darned right it is! I hate parity and “any given Sunday”, but without the draft you’ve got baseball where the richest can usually win. Further, there aren’t enough FAs each year to even stock one team let alone (32). I’ll take Marks remark re the draft as sarcasm.

Colledge has been a fat load of crap, for the most part. He has been addressed, but not directly. TT’s attempt to fill the guard spots has ben a failure thus far, and that includes Colledge along with Moll, Whittaker, O Dwyer etc….Next is that soemone brought up that the Williams second rounder is now moving up based on how bad Cleve. is doing. Williams is Brohm. That pick is done….sorry. The last thing I want to address is that just because people may disagree with moves that TT makes, doesn’t make them completely short sided. Most of us, again most, understand that TT’s job is to win now….. and later. MM’s job is to win now. I agree that not every move is made for the betterment of the team today….ie…Colts letting Faulk go, Niners letting Rice go…etc. Teams don’t draft quarterbacks..generally…to make their team better today. They are almost always for tomorrow, so for anyone to say that every move a GM makesis to make a team better now is silly. There are also finance reasons as has been pointed out. However, alot of the gripe here, myself included, is that while many on here often bring up the “saving cap space” argument for some his moves, or non moves, we argue… for what. What is the point of constantly saving cap space that never gets used. This team sat on 20 mill. last year. They are sitting on more than 30 mill. this year. This is where some of you go overboard and talk about the Redskins and Raiders and loading up on high priced free agents and how that is a bad way to do it. The reality of our argument, at least my argument, is that I didn’t want to see every position filled with the best and most expensive out there. I just wanted to see a couple of positions filled by players who have done it before, and you know what you will get, rather than almost complete dependence on backups being “talented” unknowns. Many of them have worked out, but some haven’t and when even one works out really poorly it can almost kill an entire season. They have often left themselves without any recourse in those situations. That is what my gripe with TT has been. Here we are now with some glaring issues of inconsistency. That is what you get when you completely rely on unknowns upon injuries. The point being that I feel that he could address a little more of now in his approach. He doesn’t need to break the bank, although Faneca looks nice about now, but if tomorrow is always his focus there won’t ever be a today, just lots of what we are seeing this year…inconsistency.
One last thing, I have an issue with those on here who reprimand for hammering TT over the Favre saga in one sentence and then turn and bash on Favre in the next.. … quite hypocritical. How can you ask, and in some cases demand, blind support for TT era while trying to downplay what Favre accomplished and meant to this organization. Being a fan of a sport or team is about having memories, and while it is important to be moving towards new great memories, let us not try to diminish the ones that are already made……it defeats your purpose. It doesn’t have to be one or the other. Nobody talks about the 1977 Packers for a reason.

Thanks Pete for saying that about Favre and TT and posters who flip/flop. I agree. I wlll never be sold on the idea that we are better off without Brett and I have stuck to that from day one. I agree there are a lot of folks here who flip/flop in their arguements from week to week as you pointed out.

I wish you all could have see Terry Bradshaw’s “Fired up” prior to the Pack/Bears game on Fox, it summed it all up in a 90 seconds. However, Go Aaron Rodgers and Go PACK…I hate to wait until Monday…anyone else?

My bad on the 2nd for Williams. That pick was used last year……. I suppose your referring to me as flippy-floppy. I can see both sides……. it’s that simple. Some, dare say I, can’t.

Iccy, I’m choosing to think that Paul was referring to me as Devil’s (Ass)ociate instead of an ass. I think yours was a typo. I think it was supposed to be Iccy (Poss)itively Wonderful, instead of puss. I think we must have just understood him. (LOL)

Anyway guys, I’m picking the Pack Monday night 27-17. They’re able to get some pressure on Brees, their running game continues where it left off and I expect to see them play nickel all night. They start tuning in their passing game, mixing more to the TE’s. They go for more bombs as the D gets sucked in to play the running game.

The one thing about the Saints is that at least their strength on offense is our defensive strength…they just are REALLY good at the passing game

How about the Viking and Bear departed?

I understand your point completely. I am not looking for blue chippers though. I would just like a couple more Chillar types who can be a solid fill in for an injury. I think that the people TT has brought in via FA have done quite well…..Pickett, Chillar, esp Woodson. I also know that he is more picky, which I like with the blue chippers. I just think that you can take some chances second and third tier FAs who don’t cost nearly as much, and if they do blow, then you can lose them without much wallet pain…….especially when they are 20 mill. + under the cap. Instead of having a bunch of Tracey Whites, Will Whitakers, and Jarred Bushes, you can maybe have some Mike Priors, Guy Mcintyres, and Seth Joyners to be replacements….all who played important roles the last they went trophy because they knew what they had with them, and yet were still able to develop the Sharpers, Timmermans, and Bernardo Harrises on the team. I get your fellas point of view though…just wanted to clarify mine.

Bears and Vikings departed go down under and I don’t mean Australia.

Wow! Who beat the Titans?

Every week seems to bring more pressure to win. Some teams respond and I believe if we get the great playcalling we had against the Bears we will win. It should be exciting. As to #4, TT sent him to the worst team that wanted him and left him for dead. Just like when he took his starting gaurds away. The ironic part is that the Jets had a completely opposite approach to TT in player aquisition. It will be fun to see how it plays out.

Ha! In all seriousness, a very impressive game by Favre yesterday. While I’m still very frustrated by the way he left town, I’m at the point now where I’m happy to see that his playing career isn’t ending in flames. This ain’t an either/or situation, folks. We’ll be fine, the Jets will be fine. This type of thing happens all the time in football, if never to this magnitude. He’s over there, but he’ll always be a part of here.