I think R.J. has stumbled on to something there…………. Up until this year, Packer fans stuck w/their team through thick and thin. What kind of fans some of you are this year, I don’t know: fair weather?? another team?? Favre?? or maybe just a fan of yourself??? It’s time to move on. They are not overturning any WTF holding calls or taking your helmet off and running around the endzone calls. Favre is gone, so is Williams, whoever has been drafted, has been drafted, like it or not. They’re not re-doing the drafts from 2005-2008 cause someone isn’t happy with them. It is what it is and it’s time to sit back a watch the games, good or bad. Hope for a better year next year and let things play out.

Your right Pete, gotta have something to write about, I guess. In a bad year, it’ll probably be mostly negative. The fans of 31 teams will participate in that ritual every year. Probably 32. I’d probably ignore the guy in the bar, probably should do the same here. The banter just seems a little whacked this year…………

DA, I agree with Pete. You are good at criticizing us but do you ever have anything to say about our season other than we ought to support our team. I support our players and hope they improve, I even support TT and hope he improves. I think he made some bad moves this year and I’m not afraid to say so. I’d like to see him do better this off season, how about it?

DA, I guess you’re right, we do see it differently. If I work on an assembly line at GM and the CEO makes bad decisions and they go under I don’t think it’s the same. You know, he gets millions and I get, what, $27 per hour. If you have resposability you should own up to it, or quit. And to pretend it’s bad breaks or someone elses fault when you’re in charge is pathetic and keeps you making the same mistakes over and over again.

The difference is all about risk. If you get $27 per hour, what is your risk? Getting to work on time? There is no guarantee in any competitive situation. Adjustments need to be made to be competitive. In the NFL is bassakwards, the players in many cases make more than coaches or management. Although the players have some risk, mostly of injury to end their career, they don’t have to worry about the operational costs of running a business. That’s why it’s such a crazy business. You actually get paid for doing very little. I have been critical of Justin Harrell, not because I don’t like him personally. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, and tries hard. The problem is, he is being paid to play. After two years, there has been absolutely no return on the investment in him. In my humble opinion, judging from similar cases, he will never be a NFL player. From the Wisconsin State Journal comes the following.
But the Green Bay Packers’ defensive tackle wants you to know he’s doing what he can to not be the bust everyone thinks he is.

“I’m trying,” Harrell said after Friday’s practice, which left him questionable for Sunday’s game at Jacksonville with a hip injury related to his offseason back problems. “It’s not like I’m sitting back here on vacation, relaxing. I really am trying to work and trying to get this back (healthy) and really make it go away. And it hasn’t so far.

“Everybody’s entitled to their opinion, and by my performance, I guess they have a reason to say that (I’m a bust). I’ve said all along, I’m not going to shy away from it. I’m going to face it head-on and just try to do everything I can to change their opinion. And if they still feel that way, I’ve still got to play. I’m a Green Bay Packer until they release me or whatever, and that’s how I’m going to approach it.”

Unfortunately, the salary cap will keep Justin on the payroll for another year maybe two. In a Not For Long league, he is pushing the envelope.

I haven’t figured out exactly how you think Mark, but some guys on here think in absolutes. Everything can/should have been/be done better. So I offered that up to kind of flip it around. A little more personal and in your home kind of thing. The answer to your GM example according to the absolute guys is that that is your fault. You should have done better and been the CEO, not the line worker. Your statement blames the CEO and that is not allowed according to their thinking and would fall under the catagory of “your fault”. You should have seen the possibility of a closure at GM and have a back-up plan in place. Or maybe you’d be at fault cause you should have picked a better career.

Of course, not all is lost because those players ARE less expensive.

I noticed above comparisons BF v AR. Hell, BF doesn’t compare to BF (HOFer) anymore. Anyone who knows me could nor would ever accuse me of being a Favre hater. I love the guy (in a football way) just couldn’t stand the, what I called, the carelessness with the football that has exceeded his earlier years. Don’t deluge me with stats from the first eight years compared to the stats from the last eight years or whatever, its my impression and that ain’t gonna change. Sobeit, we’ll have a great draft with the naysayers attacking every pick, that ain’t gonna change either, and we’ll have an easier schedule which will save MM and make him a candidate for coach of the year again. Right or wrong thats the NFL today.

I think it is wonderful to have the discussion regarding this years management. We have had to listen or read about how Favre and his interceptions have cost this team for several years. Every opportunity some of you had to take a shot at Favre you did. you supported the current managements desire to force out Favre. So don’t start whining when we call it the way it is with Ted and his cast of characters.

The Packer Nation is split by how Favre was treated by this management group. I support Aaron and have been satisfied with his efforts as a first year QB. This is not about AR. I how ever have not been impressed with MM and TT without Favre. I have been a life long Packer fan and I greatly respect what Favre did for the Packer organization.This year the Packers have radically underperformed and the current Packer management should be called held accountable. It is no longer about Favre!! I have not been a life long TT or MM fan nor do I think I will ever be. I will be happy when they are no longer a part of the Packer organization. I think one more year like this and they will bring their magic somewhere else.

Now don’t bother to tell me I have not lived long enough. That I wasn’t at the Ice Bowl. That I am not a true Packer Fan. I am just one fan among many who respects Favre, loves the Packers, and longs for the day Ted will not be in Green Bay.

Ocono I think thats a great post, well said. Our difference is that I like the TT aproach and therefore support what he has done and really hope this succeeds. Mistakes abounded this year from Mgmt decisions on personnel, coaching, adjustments(or lack thereof), and performance on the field. It all adds up to a losing season which none of us can be happy about. I am convinced that the top dogs (TT and the big MM) will correct it. The Packers are a sum total and to criticize all the little things en masse is not productive and leads to complete failure. This will be turned around and soon because it always does. Not that we’re going to win the SB every year, nobody does, but we do in my estimation will always have a respectable product we can be proud of.

I am going to consult with Reverend Jack Daniels who is going to win tomorrow’s Packer game. By the time I am done with the consultation I may not care.