Why, there is no comparison that this team is playing better, cant you tell? What a dumb question!

Finally Larry…you get it.

Larry, I was a Packer fan before Favre was born….this is not entirely my post but from a writer I respect..read on.

Now the Packers team is in Disarray. The coaching staff does not have the players prepared to play. The team shows no discipline whatsoever. The players are not playing every play hard. Many players are slowing down in the middle of a play, receivers don’t continue to run their routes etc.etc. This is a lack of leadership and coaching. No other stupid excuses please. This team is pretty much the same team as last year. Unlike last year when this team showed alot of hustle and fire, this team look disinterested. Why? We all know why. It is what took place this pre-season. Yes, what Ted Thompson, Mark Murphy, and Mike McCarthy has lead to this. Brett Favre was a leader and a motivator. The players responed to him and played hard. Now we have no leadership. Our coach and mangement staff has no integrity and how do you expect to get players to respond when that is the case. Well now you all see just how bad what these guys did was. Expect more of the same. Last year we were one poorly coached game from the Superbowl. With pretty much the same team except for a new QB we don’t look any better than the Bears.

Damn, when you’re right you’re right. I agree with everything you’ve said above with one exception………..regardless of the above truths, Favre had to go! Along with McCarthy’s help (ie; the stupid locker room gambit) he was set above the team. I don’t call that leadership. What Favre did offer was experience and another year of his experience would have put the entire program back another year. I disagree the game was poorly coached; I say the “gunslinger” took over, again. We’ll never agree on that point. I really don’t think you want to compare our potential with the offensive weapons we do have (exception: OL) with da bearse do you? How can you call Favre a motivator when he wouldn’t even help Rodgers (ie; “not my job”)? In any case, good post, and in my opinion (for what its worth) you’re certainly more right than wrong.

Ha, Ha, and Ha. You are a genius man!

You couldn’t be more wrong. He was my QB for a long, long, time and just like former greats the end had come and he had to move on. I’ll have to take down the framed poster pretty soon. I’m going strictly on performance and those dumb INTs that even plaque him today. I don’t think you can point to any of my input that indicates hatred but when a guy goes on the field when he shouldn’t that’s ego man. What divides the Packer Nation are those who don’t realize that he’s gone and can’t move on. I maintain that the last couple of years were all about his records and not the betterment of the team – that, my friend, had to stop. Given the close games we’ve had with some pretty tough teams this year, I hardly think we’re a joke. How smart MM and TT are will have to be determined. Can’t tell you how terrible BF is, just that I don’t think things would have gone any better with him, but who could be sure.

How many defensive coordinators do we have to go through? Al, you are right, TT has completely neglected to built a solid defense. He was playin’ a fiddle while Lambeau was burning. He has shown flashes of solving some problems. But this year, TT failed. I think someone a long time ago noted the strength of our offensive tackles and corners. That strength is going down the tubes with age and with age comes injuries. As for the defensive line and the Harrell pick, I have already voiced my opinion. They knew he was an injury wreck waiting to happen and picked him anyway. That is complete incompetence! Who is going to hold TT accountable?

Nah, no glutton here, have been through a hell of a lot worse than this. St. Vincent leaving (gee, thinking back it was worse before he came on board), when Starr-Hornung-Taylor left and the break-up of that team. Starr and Gregg not making it as coaches really hurt along with the Devine fiasco. Never being able to bring in anybody to help Dickey and Lofton (what a flop Jefferson was, here) and the Hadl thing. Always had an All-Pro or 2 during the 70′s and 80′s but wow what lousy teams overall. And before anybody suggests I’m willing to settle for that stuff again, I’m not. My point is we are a long way from being that again. Hey, I’m not real happy but it is what it is and I have to live with it and it is truly beyond my control. I just know better times are ahead because it has turned around before. Still think getting something for Favre was a coup; had he stayed retired (remember that?) we would have gotten nothing. There is not enough out there in FA each year to turn a team around, nor does anybody have enough cap space. You’ve got to do it through the draft and hope you get lucky with maybe one or two FAs.

Lynn Dickey and Lofton had plenty of help , you are forgetting they had Paul Coffman at tight end and a very servicible Gerry Ellis at running back.
To this day I think Coffman was the best tight end the Packers ever had and he was one of the best tight ends the NFL ever saw , he could block , he could catch, and he was tough as nails !
I would not say John Jefferson was a flop here , teams always double teamed him.
He however did not make the same impact as he did in San Diego..
That Packer offense in 1983 was unstoppable. If Eddie Lee Ivery could have stayed healthy, that offense would have never had to punt.
Harlan Huckleby was money in the bank on the goal line.
Phillip Epps was a blazing fast receiver. So to say Dickey and Lofton had no help is not totally true.
If Mike Butler did not leave in 1983 for the USFL , that defense would have been better and a super bowl won have been won in Green Bay in 1983.

what do playoff losses and right now’s team have anything to do with each other?

Just so everyone knows….as it is now, a crappy season has very little to do with schedule difficulty. All but 2 games are already set in stone, who and where. They will play their division twice, obviously, a full division elsewhere in the NFC, and a full division in the AFC….already predetermined. The other two games are decided by the final standings. The Packers will play the two tems from the other two NFC divisions that finish in the same position as the Pack. You also must remember that with this NFL, anyone rises and falls in a given year, again obviously, so our misfortunes this year have absolutely no bearing on what next year will bring schedule wise. We will play the entire NFC West, and the entire AFC North, along with, as it stands now at New Orleans and at home for Philly. Pleas people stop using our finishes as indicators, or reasons why they got harder or easier schedules. One really has nothing to do with the other.

The only upside to this pathetic season is that we will get a higher pick than expected, which I expect will be translated into an unheard of, unheralded second round WR and 9 7th round picks, of which we will draft 3 more WRs and 4 guards with “potential”. We will also use our actual second round pick on a falling star QB who will compete with Brohm for the third string job because neither will be able to play better than our 7th round pick of Flynn. We will also trade Harris for a 4th and a 5th, using them both on fullbacks who will not make the first cuts because we already have 2 who are good. TT will then resign Frank Walker, Mark Roman and Marquand Manuel to “shore up” our injury proned safety spot. We will still go into next season with 4 total linebackers on the active roster, and Harrell will miss most of camp with back spasms. Driver will be released to “make room” for Jordy Nelson, who will then hold out for more money. Grant will stub his toe in the offseason, causing him to miss up thru week 9. Jackson will emerge as the go to guy, only to be sat on the bench after Grnat returns so he can “get into rythm”. Tauscher and Clifton will be let go, again to make some room for these new 7th round pick rookies and we will have the 5 Turnstyles of Walgreens on our line and finally Rogers will injure his shoulder in the first preseason game and miss the entire season, but we will not sign a vet because he just drafted this new rookie who also can’t play and the Pack will become the detroit Lions. Following the season Murphy will give TT his full support after Mccarthy finally fires his D coordinator, only to re-hire Ed Donatell. Oh yes, Crosby will be cut on opening day for some kid who just got from the domed Lions after missing every single kick in preseason. I think that baout covers it. Can’t wait til next year…

I forgot one thing. Edgar Bennet will be the only coach let go, for no apparent reason, Rashaan Salaam will be hired, and also Dr. Phil will be brought in as a motivational therapist.

Love your post Pete. We will get a higher draft pick for sucking this year but TT will trade down as usual and pick up two 7th rounders for that. If he does pick in the first round, he will pick someone that ESPN does not even have a picture of….Lastly, I remember Ron Wolf stating either this year or the year before, “I have no idea what TT’s strategy is with this team.” That really makes me nervous.

I would think TT’s “vision” for this team is to make them like the Seattle Seahawks. Build em up, get em to the SB, lose to the Pittsburg Steelers, then everything falls apart. By that time TT has collected enuf checks to live comfortably ever after.

Thanks Dan, that was a top notch comment. I am wondering why uncle Bob Harlan let Reinfeldt go?

Apologies to Greg Bedard for leaving this part out….

Injuries have been a problem for Harrell dating back to college at the University of Tennessee.

With the Volunteers, Harrell was healthy for just his junior season (2005). At other times, he dealt with a leg surgery (2003), ankle sprains (’03 and 2004) and a biceps-tendon surgery (2006). That latter injury forced him to miss off-season workouts with the Packers as a rookie. He then missed five games with an ankle injury and was active for seven.

I understand what you’re saying Larry, and no you did not offend me at all. I just din’t know if everyone understood how that all works now. The point really being that noone thought the Falcons would be anything but useless this year, or the Dolphins. Seattle was supposd to be good, as was GB, Cleve. Cincy, Jax. If the Cardinals stay for real, Seattle gets some swagger back, the Niners look like the team from the first 5 weeks and the Rams get any blocking for S. Jackson, then that division gets a little scary next year. The AFC North with Pitt and Balt. are always tough along with the Quinn lead Browns and a healthy Palmered Bengals. It could be just as bad next year. Hell, if they don’t fix their defense, then the two easiest looking teams, SF and Stl.’ S. Jackson and Gore are going to run for 1000 yds each, followed by Warner and Palmer throwing for 500 more. The if we do play NO and Philly it will be more of the same from Brees and Mcnabb…although I think Mcnabb will be a Viking next year so we see him twice.

Rodgers did not lose us the game in Minnesota , McCarthy did. It was stupid to ask the guy to throw so many times in his first game in that hostile enviorment especially when Ryan Grant has had sucess against the Viking defense in the past and was doing well when he handled the ball in the dome this year.
No way can he be blamed for the Carolina loss, he did start slow in that game but he was on fire in the second half , there was no more he could do in that game.

And yes Roy,

The Albino Barn Owl’s drafts have been at best, mediocre.

Now, as for what I said before the season began…I was entirely against almost everything TT did. I did say that I think Rodgers would do fine…and I think his stats back that up. I did not, however, say that he should come out and be Brett Favre, nor did I think that was possible, and especially not a partial remembrance of him. I did say that other people were going to have to step up and fill some of the extra that Brett brought to the table, of which noone has. The running game has not produced as it should, clearly the defense has not, the O line blows, the punter sucked, and they have had a myriad of injuries and yet despite all that Rodgers has played well enough to have his team in nearly every game this season. The only one they had no shot in was when he couldn’t quite score on EVERY posssesion! Rodgers needs that come from behind victory, I agree, but he has also not gone out there and given games away. As for Brett, noone should ever be compared to him or held up to his standard. He is a one-of-a-kind that we will not see in the league again, nor shold we expect to.

Have fun with this kool aid drinkers.

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And for the record, I put alot of this year on MM. I think the whole Favre thing and his new family life have taken it’s toll. Hell, I can count a handful of times where a DE has come around from the opposite side to tackle the RB. I can only remember one reverse being called all year. I remember the shovel pass being used one game, worked quite well, don’t believe I seen it called since. He used to be good for some gimick call about every other game, I think this year was one fake punt and one on-sides. I think he’s bored the team w/zone run inside, zone run outside (stretch), and the slant pattern pass play (almost a given on downs of three yards or less). If he doesn’t have a power team, at least he’d better do a better job of calling a good mix of plays to keep the other team off-guard and guessing…..

The Pack are two in-excusable ref calls from being 7-6 and in the thick of things even w/all their troubles this year. To hear some, you’d think they’d been blown out almost every game. But if you all think that helps, so be it. If you think they live in a vaccuum and it can’t enter the locker room, keep pointing out all the negative stuff to help them. Maybe you all can head over to the Jet’s site and let them all know who and what sucks about them for their stretch run. What they should have done better. I just don’t think they’ve done enough…….. But hey, gotta have something to talk about and maybe some of us get perception of statements wrong sometimes….

Matt Hayton Says:
“As far as insulting my football intelligence, that is fine: I just let the facts do the talking”

This just might be the funniest thing I’ve read on this site in weeks! The majority of what you blather is based on opinion and conjecture; on the rare occasion you do cite “facts”, they’re often wrong. You wonder aloud why nobody replies to your unanswerable ponderings (what would the record be without seven defensive TD’s?) and bristle when somebody questions your football IQ? Puhleeeease…. What do you expect when your “stock post content” is based on: 1) I predicted this record but I’m sorry I’m right; 2) None of this would have happened if BF was still QB; 3) “thanks for proving my point” when the opposing view has done nothing of the sort.

Most folks on this site are disappointed with the direction this season has gone (excepting those who “predicted” it), but 95% realize it’s been a confluence of many factors leading to the “perfect storm”. On the flip side, you and a few outspoken others see this losing record strictly thru the lens of the Brett Favre trade. It’s overly simplistic and you have gone way past the point of ridiculous!