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12:13 PM: Well, the same old Green Bay Packers’ defense showed up today. I makeshift Jags offense goes 73 yards with little or no resistance for a 7-0 lead. Aaron, can you put up 60 today please, it’s our only hope.

12:26 PM: Like the whole season, the Packers couldn’t finish the deal on their opening drive and had to settle for a field goal. Questionable play calling again in the red zone. 7-3 Jags. Can’t afford to lose four points per drive, that is for sure.

12:34 PM: End of one and offering absolutely no resistance to a third-string Jags offense. It might be the saddest thing I have ever witnessed as a Packers’ fan. All I want for Christmas is ONE three-and-out.

12:56 PM: Rodgers overcomes a terrible quarterback draw call and hits Jennings for a short TD. 10-7 Packers. Capped a 59-yard drive after a Jags missed field goal. Thinks are looking up. I’ll be happy with 17-17 at the half.

1:25 PM: Football Follies has hit the Packers offense. After a timeout and a huddle the Packers still didn’t know where to line up. Rodgers should have taken a timeout. What a joke. Instead of 17-7 it is 13-7 and the Jags might still have the lead at halftime.

1:54 PM: Playing Charles Woodson at safety is becoming a bigger mistake each game. With Harris and Woodson on the corners today the Jags would not have a completion to a receiver I bet. Tramon Williams is not ready for every day play, that is clear. Dennis Northcutt is lighting up Williams today. We did stop them, however, so all is not lost. A TD drive here and this game might be over.

2:25 PM: Well, thanks to Fox TV or whoever, I haven’t seen a play in 10 minutes. But going for it on fourth down was the worst decision by head coach Mike McCarthy this year. Your defense is finally playing a little better, so pin them back. This is why the Packers are 5-8.

2:33PM: McCarthy must be a complete idiot. Gave the Jags the lead on a silver platter. I knew we would find a way to lost this game and we apparently did. Every week it is something. This time McCarthy goes with the Kuhn run that everybody and their uncle knew was coming, just like against Carolina two weeks ago. Miss it and game over and that is the best call you got? Ridiculous. Jags lead 14-13 and the rout is probably on.

2:50 PM: Boy, we give up the lead quick. It is all Aaron Rodgers’ fault I guess. If only he could play both ways. This might be the biggest joke of the season. Bob Sanders should not be allowed on the plane home.

2:55 PM: Let the horror begin. It is going to be a long eight months. Simply amazing. And the game goes back to the call by McCarthy to goe for it on fourth down at the Jags 44. McCarthy then made a horrible play call and the Packers lose because of it. Thanks a lot Mike. This is by far the worst defense by the Packers since 1983. It is horrible and no offense could overcome it. See you later in the week. I need a few days to digest this latest meltdown.

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Larry

NO, NO, NO, I meant teams like TENN, CAR, ATL, MIA, and TB.
JeffN

Oh ok now I see.

One thing is for sure, when Jenkins, Barneet, Bigby, and Rouse are all back that will be a big plus on defense. Plus whatever new players step up. At the beginning of last season who knew who Bigby, or Jennings was? Let’s just hope we have a defensive line man that can step up.

You think getting 2 new guys at the tackle positions could make them better considering your starting 2 new guys out in this system as opposed to 2 guys from the old system?
Larry

Paragraph 1., right on. In my opinion our current tackles are too big and too slow for the scheme. MM should have known that, unless TT felt that Moll and Cooledge were the OTs of the future. As servicable as Tausher and Clifton are they are lower wide bodies that never did excell in run blocking. Also, even with that said, Jackson doesn’t seem to be the type, but what if we could draft a cutting, speedy, RB with the vision to break it outside once in a while? We should be able to get some value at #8-10 in the 1st RND. Again on the play calling, probably dictated by what talent we have available, have we run any screens since Green was here? Could it be that we don’t have any linemen that can pull?
AATP

Personally, I have high hopes for this team next year considering the amount of learning that went on this season. From the day training camp started to the end of this season I think not only the management learned a little something but so did the players. Not just about playing the game from a pure performance perspective, but also from a leadership perspective. They learned that their QB came out and did a pedestrian job of running a team even after being completely scrutinized by Packer nation after management took it upon themselves to create a circus environment of epic proportions. I also think they learned that regardless of how the leadership handles things, that they need to just handle things on the field and the rest will work itself out. My personal belief is (and I did say PERSONAL belief) that this team will go into the draft with eyes wide open and we might actually be surprised that TT will ACTUALLY draft to fill gaps and may even hit the FA market and bring in some veteran help and spend a little money. This may all be pie in the sky, but I think this team deserves that, I think Packer nation deserves that. I also believe the board will give TT an earful (if they haven’t already) and tell him they like the idea of being under that cap and having extra money, just in case. But I also believe they’re going to put a touch more pressure on him to make some key moves in the off season that we may not be expecting.

All in all, I think this year was a great evaluation period for a young QB, a young team and a young Head Coach. Evaluation period is over – time to step up and make the Packer nation proud of their team again and proud of the organization as a whole. TT may not be the answer, MM may not be the answer, but we do owe it as fans to let this thing kinda shake out this off season. You can bet, if something impressive doesn’t happen this off season to shore up the key areas of failure this year, TT WILL lose his head and not just to those he reports to but to the entire Packer nation. He may have 40% in his pocket right now but he makes another bungle this off season like he did last off season – his popularity wall fall to 0% quickly and he’ll be another Matt Millen (middle of the season ousting).

Go Pack – win a couple more if possible and lets get those that really want to play out on that field now. Win or lose, this has been a needed learning experience for everyone… I say we split the next two games giving the Lions their only win of the season – that’s just a guess but that’s the way I see it.
AATP

Oh, and just so we’re clear here, I think TT might have been given too much lead and should be reigned in now. They need to keep a close eye on him now until training camp. Everyone should (which I know most of us will be anyway). I’m gonna bet he’s had death threats and the like so he probably understands how we feel as fans about the position he’s put this franchise in, but I’m also gonna bet, regardless of his ego, he knows this isn’t just your run of the mill team either. I think he may just realize now that this team isn’t necessarily HIS, it’s the state of Wisconsin’s team and he’s been given the unique opportunity to be a GM for this storied team. Now he needs act like this team means as much to him as it does to us.
JeffN

To be fair you have to give TT credit for acquring the following players. He started with almost nothing and he did resign a few. I do also believe he is ready to pay big bucks if top D linemen is out there, but will there be one available? and will that player want to come to Green Bay? I mean it was below zero here this morning. Players take stuff like that into account when deciding where they are going to live and work.

Aaron Rodgers
Nick Collins
Atari Bigby
Daryn Colledge (graded out the best on o-line this year)
Greg Jennings
Jason Spitz
Will Blackmon
Tony Moll
Johnny Jolly (round 6)
Ruvell Martin
Tramon Williams
Charles Woodson
Ryan Pickett
Ryan Grant
Mason Crosby
Korey Hall
Brandon Jackson
James Jones
Aaron Rouse
Tramon Williams

Resigning:
Cullen Jenkins
Nick Barnett
Aaron Kampman
Donald Driver
AATP

I agree JeffN, but some of those guys on that list still have some stepping up to do… Granted, they all are gifted athletes, but that’s only half of what makes these guys great players. Attitude is part of that and I’m not so sure a few of these guys have the attitude to be great players. Flashes of brilliance aren’t going to help us win out – steady sustained growth will…
Pete H

I’m sorry, but I will not give credit for drafting Colledge, Spitz and Moll. They are inept, at best. None of them is a rookie, they shouldn’t be getting the penalties and be as ineffective as they are. Are they serviceable, yes, but they were rafted too high to be serviceable. Jolly? Whats he done? I remember Martin dropping a big pass in the C game. Rouse needs to be better, Jones is a fourth wideout as a thrid round pick..hardly excellent. Brandon Jackson is a second round pick, hardly exceeding expectations. The rest I’ll give you, but these players were hardly “finds” as of yet
Larry

There has been a lot of criticism on TTs last draft, but lets review keeping in mind we were coming off 13-3 which I think even reinforced going with best available and not need. #2s – Nelson, pretty good player 6-3 217 decent speed, insurance(Driver) or make some other wr avail for trade. Brohm, 24-9 starter in col. , not bad. Probable back-up to Rodgers down the line, 6-3 232, good vision. Lee, 6-0 200 bump and run like Harris only bigger, time to learn NFL speed. #3 – Finley, Texas (winning program), 6-5 245 4.76 goal line size. Humphry and Lee have not set the world on fire even with Favre. #4s – Thompson 6-4, 264, good penetration but hasn’t learned to sack yet. Can add 10-15lbs w/o losing quickness. Sitton, 6-3, 320, OG, C, or OT. All have had varied success with Nelson contributing the most but they are rookies. In any case we were drafting for backups. We all mis-read the 13-3 I think, and after Grants last half season did we think we needed a featured back or OL? When you look at last years line-up which starter would you hope to replace either by draft or FA.? Obviously this all looks a hell of a lot different in December and those who spout out the TT venom and the “I knew this would happen” crap have been eating too much beans.
Roy Jamison

I agree with the theory that loss of veteran leadership on the Packers sunk them. It’s nice to have younger players…(they’re cheaper)…but it helps to have a blend of positive attitude veterans who won’t throw the rest of the guys under the bus. Younger guys have a habit of opening their mouth before they put any thought into what is coming out.
Pete H

Go back and read Larry. See all of those who were begging for Faneca. Those three (Colledge, Moll, and Spitz) have been adequate at best. As for your beans comment, some of us could see beyond the half season success of Grant and were not willing to call him a bonafide stud yet, nor were we thrilled with those losers at guard. As for your claim that because we were 13-3 calls for best available, I see completely opposite. Because we were 13-3, and already the youngest and theoretically deepest team in the league, they should have been looking for that one guy or two to put them over the top. why were we drafting for backups? Because we were 13-3? Thats silly…the adage is that if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse…..point proven I believe. Why have a billion more backups ona deep team riddled with dveloping talent when you are 13-3. Get the guys that make ou unbeatable for a couple of seasons, without blowing the stash you have. We are now on the verge of losing both
Larry

You draft for backups, silly, because of the vets we had starting. Driver, Franks, Tauscher, Wells, Kampman, Pickett, Barnett, Popinga, Harris, Woodson, Clifton, KGB, rplace Favre who “retired” 3/4/8.(4) 2nd string All-Pros, MM coach of the year! (5) went to the Pro-Bowl. I’d call that pretty good veteran leadership on the field; I think I’d take that as a nucleus any year. Plus developmental talent at wr, og, and s. Oh, did I mention we were 13-3 and were 1 game away from the Super Bowl?
JeffN

Good points but I see it more this way:

Colledge – 2nd rounder, pretty good at guard but will be a stud at tackle. He plays better there. I guess he still has to prove himself as the starting left tackle.

Moll – 5th rounder, probably will be our starting right tackle next year. I thought he played pretty good this last Sunday.

Spitz – 3rd rounder, Pretty good guard I’m happy with him.

Point is tho rookie’s are not always good right away look at Nick Collins in his 4th year. Was pretty average up until his boarderline pro bowl performance this year. I know a lot of people don’t like to look to the future they want to have a stud team right now but my point is give these guys time to devolop their all going to be good players. I think the offensive line could be a lot better next year with 2 new tackles.
JeffN

More to clarify my point. Players are normally backups coming out of the draft. Then they become starters later. That’s how it works 80% of the time.
Pete H

Look at the league. Players may be backups their first year 80% of the time, but by their second year they should be ready. Offensive lineman don’t take five years to develop like a QB or even D back. Look around the league, hell Clifton and Tauscher started and dominated as rookies. A. Taylor started and dominated as rookie. Verba started and played better as a rookie than any of these three has in now their third year. Colledge maybe a great tackle. He has looked solid there, we’ll see. I sure hope so, but those other two are backups…Besides at even 80% shouldn’t 2 of our ten choices a year be starting from last year. And you don’t draft for backups because of the vets you have starting. You draft starters so that someone can play when a vet goes down or gets hurt. You draft to be better, not to stand pat. We were already deep, almost everywhere. The only places we weren’t, theoretically, deep at, he didn’t draft anyway. What is the point of drafting another Sitton to go along with the four guys he’s already drafted there? You can only have so many of the same guy. If I have four guards that are all about the same, what the hell help is a fifth? Now if I have a sum total of four linebackers, I might frickin need one! If I have four fat, run stuffin D Tackles, what the hell do I need a fifth for? Maybe I need a pass rush type. The point is that they were 13-3 with the youngest and deepest, so they claimed, team in the league. All they did was replace some of their depth of last year with younger, some better..like Nelson over Robinson, cheaper, depth. They didn’t address what got them beat in the 13-3 season. What was that? Blockers…What has really helped screw them this year alot. The same old five and dime O lineman. At some point you have to upgrade, not just amass more of the same. Those guys you named at guard played just as average last year as they did this year, the main difference is that Clifton and Tauscher joined them this year. Excellent, so by your logic, we can go into next year with five guys all as talented as Colledge playing line for us? No thanks. I’ll pass.
Roy Jamison

Well according to “sources” cited in the Journal-Sentinel MM and TT didn’t think about the “leadership” issue too much apparently. Although there’s a lot of finger pointing going around when you become losers, maybe a little extra leadership would help in the “poise” department. If this is not the problem, then you might as well throw out the entire coaching staff.
Larry

Oh, wow

Oh, wow, hindsight is so great. Lets do what the Jets did last year. 42 mil to Fanaca, 40 mil to Pace, and 12 mil to Favre. Even spreading the 80 mil over 5/6 years that a bundle to gam ble. Wanna bet on whether the Jets win the SB? I mean, there’s your one or two leaders you so desparately want. I wonder how much you’ll have left to keep the other 50 on the roster.

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Roy Jamison

Larry who said you spend millions to find a “leader”. I’ve heard one of the best leaders on the team last year was the long snapper. I don’t think he made the money you’re talking about. If you don’t have some “experience” and “mature” leadership, you just won’t go to the Super Bowl or get a sniff. Let’s see how long TT wants to field a team that is the youngest in the NFL. BTW, I believe the KC Chiefs are the second youngest. Do you see the problem? and BTW, it ain’t hindsight, it’s common sense.
Pete H

Good Lord Larry, enough with the all or nothing, black or white crap! When we talk about free agents why do you immediately go to the four highest paid in the league? I am pretty sure there were more than 3 free agents signed last year. Cmon man. Besides according to you all we need is 50 really average guys to get depth right?
paul

Al, Al, Al, So if someone does not agree with you, especially regarding Favre, then they are picking on Packer fans? I am a hardcore Packer fan, that is why I express my opinion so strongly. However, you run off like a little bitch with statements about shutting down the site, selling your season tickets, etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah. Using your logic, you are not a Packer fan and need the professional help. However, I do not believe that to be the case. You are a Packer fan, but to delete ideas that you do not agree with or are “sick” of is bullshit. Jon may have been annoying, but he made me laugh. Trip is great but not posting much anymore among others. Chill out….I suppose this will be deleted also. Sorry for invading your site with passion. Peace out…
http://www.packernet.com admin

Paul, the moratorium is on the argument, not the man. Just like Sportsline or Fanline, sometimes you have to talk about the Brewers. This argument can’t be won for 15 years so drop it.
Larry

Well, I’m not the one who keeps bringing up Fanaca, I wouldn’t have spent the money. We made a lot of those kinds of moves, mostly on the D side, in the mid-90s with great success. It can work, but more often the draft works best. KC is very much like GB, historically. Tough to get FA interest, a few All-Pros now and then, play for the big one occasionally, and the town(s) bleed(s) red. I’m not sure, but I think Peterson’s duties were more like Thompson/Murphy combined. In any case he was successful in franchise stability and income. There is no doubt that short sighted fans can drive out good management. And to go back to the Greyhound/Viper anaogy we are not owner/ego driven but rather corporate oriented and none of us really knows what TTs mgmt goals (ie; mission statement) are. I would bet that it doesn’t say “Super Bowl or else”. Patience, what a beautiful concept. To those who will refer to the 20 year drought I say been there, done that, I’m still here.
http://Orlando Mark

Larry, I didn’t want to post anymore this year but I’m so astonished by your statement, about being patient enough to wait 20 years, it just sticks in my craw. I’ll be dead in 20 years, and I hate losing. I hate losers and your beginning to sound like one. I don’t know why any team, even the Lions, wouldn’t have hopes of winning the SB, especially the Lions, given their sickening failure. There isn’t any reason to play except to win. If you’re ok with losing I think TT has the right formula for you. Unless he changes we wont win till he’s gone. #12 fell into his lap, do you think he would have traded up for him. You cant be successful waiting to get lucky. From what I’ve seen a GM has to know what his team needs, and pay the price to get that need. If he can get that cheap, great, if not he’d best pay up.
Pete H

Larry, the draft doesn’t work best, nor does free agency. They work when used together. You seem to imply that if we sign a free agent, then we must give up drafting, and vice versa. The facts is that they could have signed a guy like Faneca, drafted everyone they did draft, and still be well under the cap. You also seem to imply, over and over, that every free agent costs as much as Faneca, as those seem to be the only examples you ever seem to bring up. Yes I wanted Faneca….shocker…yes I wanted a guard who is, again, going to the pro bowl….oh no! Did anyone, well most, say that they should go after every big name out there? The answer is no. You fill in some weak spots with vets who can fill them until your young crop is ready. If the yougsters beat them out so be it, but if the young and inexperienced are only competing against each other, than you really have no idea what you have, but raw talent. Also, if you want to hold a rally for TT because of his money management skills then so be it, but I don’t pay for season tickets for that. His job, his “mission statement” is to be competitive…thats it. It is to be competitive without bankrupting the future. Every GM also knows, even in KC and GB, that winning builds revenue. Your products sell better and your tickets sell better. As for the other crap, it all falls into this crazy thing called revenue sharing. Each team gets the same amount each year…no more no less. Yes some team choose to go blow it all on a couple of big names, and they usually fail, but many many many teams choose to fill in some gaps here and there until they either develop someone better, or sign someone better, or they just want too much money. Other than the 90′s Packers, there is also evry single Super Bowl team you could look at to see how free agency benefits them and yes GB has a bigger hill to climb with some free agents, I agree, but players still, and always will come here, for money and a chance to win. Now if we start to blow, and demonstrate to potential free agents, as well as our own up and comers, that we have no willingness to make that step to win it, than I would just imagine that would make it even harder still to get someone to want to come, or stay, here. NOBODY drafts well enough to rely on that solely.
Larry

Mark, too damned dumb to respond to. Pete, I agree down the line with the exception of Faneca. And for the record, again, I’m not the one who brings up the names. I’m only responding and using them as examples of over-priced value (my opinion). Hey, its worked in GB why wouldn’t I want good value FAs. What I, and I suspect none of you know are who and who not have been courted and turned us down. Most every FA that I know of that has come here has been at “premium” cost with the exception of after REGGIE when Jones and the like wanted to play with him. Even with REGGIE it took a couple of years, but then wow – Dynasty – then, damn, the back, and we know the story from then on. So here we are. While we may or may not be here without revenue sharing the books have to be balanced and I’ve seen what has happened around the league with owners that flash the cash unwisely, back out and destroy the team. Then you have real rebuilding.
Larry

Another subject. The poll above got me thinking that da bearse are not the rivalry anymore, the Vikings are. Too many Bears to respect (Halas, Butkus, Ditka, Luckman, Payton, Sayers, etc.) The Vikes on the other hand are something else what with the piped in noise, etc. I have a large scar inside my brain (probably many of you agree with that) caused by Tarkington jitterbugging all over the backfield with our fat butt linemen unable to catch him, the Purple People Eaters, the car salesman owner, and the lack of player morality.
Oconomowockid

Mark, you are dead on. Losers accept losing!! I’m not waiting two years let alone 20. We have all been there and done that. What a waste of two decades of a great franchise.
Larry

oCONo, DITTO!
Pete H

Now see, I disagree Larry. I live in Bearland and here it is still like a playoff win for them to beat the Pack. I agree that the Vikes have been a much bigger thorn in the side of the Packers, but they don’t have chants for the Vikings. There is just always something pleasurable about stomping the Bears, especially for me. I hate them both honestly.
AATP

Here here Pete – I think the Cowgirls rate in there somewhere for me as well since I live in Cowgirls country. But I hate Da Bears first, Da Viqueens second and Da Cowgirls third – then from there it gets a little fuzzy. I attend Cowgirls games, cause I enjoy live football, and always root for the opposing team, unless it’s Da Bears or Viqueens then I root for the Cowgirls to pull that one out.
Larry

I understand Pete, but being born in Evanston and living as a wee one in Brookfield, Glenview, and Rockford I was a Bear fan until High School when I saw the light. Other than the very tough Ditka/Gregg years Halas was the owner I respected the most. So much history. Just think w/o Lambeau, Halas, Rooney, O’mera; I can’t remember them all there wouldn’t be an NFL. I guess its why I get frustrated with the “now”, “instant gratification”, and “win at all cost” generation. Might as well support the winner only each year.
jeffn

Pete you are not going to be happy with the good players that TT has acquired no matter what. Some of the players that you mention were not drafted high. Sitton for example was a 4th rounder. 4th rounders often don’t make the team. Would you rather have a def lineman drafted 4th that doesn’t make the team? D-Line might be a need position but if there is nobody there worth taking what’s the point? Besides I wouldn’t be surprised if Sitton a rookie 4th rounder this year is a starting guard next season with College possibly moving to tackle.

Remember TT started with nothing, a team that was completely depleted of talent. He is still drafting for depth and starters I believe still recovering from the Sherman era. Last year they didn’t have injuries, this year they have injuries so they are losing by 3 or 4 points instead of winning by 3 or 4 points.

Larry, I would agree on the rivalry thing. I would view the Bears as our classic rival and Vikes I would view as our current rival. I hate the Vikings a million times more than I hate the Bears. In fact the Vikes I hate so bad some of my worst nightmares include the Vikes in them. They are such a bunch of clowns I must admit it does hurt that they beat us this year.
Pete H

You need to go back and read your own writings on the injuries we had that cost us, and the players we have that didn’t produce. Sherman was a bad GM, but he left TT with a solid line that TT has yet to replace even adequately; Kampman, Jenkins, Barnett, Harris, Sharper, Driver, Green, Favre, Henderson, Walker, and so on. Point being that TT let some of those guys go, with some success replacing (Collins, Jennings, Grant) but mostly inadequate. The guys who got hurt this year and cost the Packers dearly were, guess what, Sherman guys. The guys who needed to step up were, guess what, Thompson guys. After four years the prominent guys we count on shouldn’t be Sherman guys anymore. another thing, what the hell are you smokin saying that 4th rounders don’t make teams? They don’t make teams of poor drafters! $th rounders should make teams. Besides who gives a shit if Sitton starts at guard? Mandarich started for 4 years, Carrol for 2, Buckley etc..Starting doesn’t mean you’re any good, or that you should be starting. Sitton will start because of TT’s previous drafting failures at line and because he STILL can’t get anyone better, not because he is a Ogden in the making. By your logic what is the point of taking yet another same average skilled offensive lineman when we seem to be riddled with them. Any of these guys any better or worse than Whittaker? He’s gone, wasted pick. They are all the same. I didn’t say they should use ytheir fourht round pick on a D lineman..period. I said thatmaybe they shouldn’t trade away all of their top picks, or use them on absolute backups (Nelson, Brohm, Lee, Harrell) who weren’t going to really even have a chance to start, for a bunch of Josh Sittons and Will Whittakers and Johnny Jolly’s. Use your own logic there. And what do you mean I won’t be happy with the good players TT drafted? I gave him full credit for Collins, Rodgers, Jennings, and even his Woodson and Pickett moves. For the most part though…he has sucked….whether they start here or not. You want me to give credit because Colledge MIGHT be a good tackle? Isn’t that what we have been hearing about all of these clowns? Harrel will be great…Colledge, Moll, Spitz…etc have great “capability” Poppinga is very “athletic” blah blah blah….give me someone who can play now! ….4th rounders don’t make teams….good grief Charlie Brown
Pete H

Another thing, I would be happy with all of those guys if they were placed properly. Jolly, and a good 6th rounder, as a role player. Same with a bunch of those other guys. The problem is that TT believed them all to be qualified, bonafide starters, which they are not. We still have depth, we just don’t have any starters. the positions that we currently suck at are positions that TT, not Sherman, has depleted.
jeffn

Whiticker was a 7th rounder, big deal if he sucked. Sherman was stupid enough to start the guy his rookie year who wasn’t even of the calibur of making the team. Less than 50% of 4th rounders throughout the league don’t stay on the team for more than 2 years and that’s not making the team. You are delusional since you talk like Sherman was a better GM than Thompson. Let things develope. The Pack will be right back up there next year.
jeffn

Wow Pete you are desperate to pick on a 7th round pick like Whiticker being bad. Wow! 7th round is the scrap heap
jeffn

Green, Driver, Favre, Sharper, Henderson were all Ron Wolf guys not guys Sherman acquired. Most of what you state above is not even accurate

Another inaccurate statment on your part is the following:
“TT let some of those guys go, with some success replacing (Collins, Jennings, Grant) but mostly inadequate.”

Collins and Jennings (2nd rounders) would have been worth drafting at the top of the 1st round and you say they are mostly inadequate. That’s poor analysis on your part. Grant was traded for a 6th round pick. I’d say he is performing pretty good for a 6th rounder averaging 4 yds pers carry.
iccyfan

It’s kinda depressing to see a past Packer project doing well for another team in a position where we’re having problems (David Martin – TE, Daniel Muir – DT, Forget Name – Giants DE from NW Missouri State). It’s great to select talent in low rounds, but possibly TT & Sherman before him have had difficulty keeping the right projects.

Like Pete, I’m rather tired of seeing Packer GM’s continually “trading down” to accrue picks. Would Dustin Keller have helped us at TE more than Jordy Nelson & Jeremy Thompson have contributed at their respective positions? I don’t know about this year and surely don’t know going forward, but Keller was thought to be an “impact player” at a position of need. TT might think that Jermichael Finley is more athletic, but nearly every week we read about a blown assignment on his part; we’re certainly not seeing the athleticism we expected either!

I’m neither as impatient as Ococo nor as patient as Larry, but this will be a critical offseason for Trader Ted. Our unfortunate season should leave us in position to draft some immediate impact players; we can’t wait four years for every pick to develop! Sign a few FA players to shore up areas of need and don’t get too cute with the draft; the GBP can be right back in the mix of things in 2009!
Roy Jamison

Iccy,
You’re probably thinking of that Tollefson kid. The more I think of it, the more I think the ABO was trying to duplicate Ron Wolf’s draft of Brunell and Detmer. But I don’t remember Wolf shucking out a second rounder for a developmental qb. I would be interested to know how much input the scouts have. I question why you would invest so much into a scouting system only to pick and choose what you think you need. If the picks were by need, was Brian Brohm or any qb at that position better than taking a solid defensive player?
Pack4life

Shopping List. Arizona LB Karlos Dansby, We Probably will not get him but Tennessee DT Albert Haynesworth. A drive-blocking running scheme. The first 3 rounds of the draft should be line of scrimmage picks. Defensive Coordinator, someone not currently on staff preferably. If someone gets promoted from within it sends a message that everything is fine.
One little note on the QB situation the Dallas Cowboys were able to beat the Buccaneers with super stiff Brad Johnson at QB. The way the Packers are currently arranged is there any team in the league the Packers could beat without Aaron Rodgers? Of course not!
Pete H

You misunderstood. I am not saying that Sherman was better than TT. Sherman blew ass as a GM, an ok they were Wolf guys, makes Sherman even worse. Point was that they weren’t TT guys, and they wer guys that were still here when Sherman was done, or “left” for him. My “inadequate” quote from you above was also misunderstood. The guys I listed are good, but his other acquisitions have been mostly inadequate, and I pick on Whitaker because he is Moll, who is Colledge, who is Spitz, who is Sitton. Its the same F@#ing guy over and over, trying to do what? replace the O line that Sherman LEFT him. I never said acquired…I said left. Were they Packers in the last year of Sherman, yes….that would be left if I understand English
jeffn

It’s easy to go back on a draft and in hind site say a GM should have picked this guy or that guy. Just because because David Martin had 1 good play on the high light film this last Sunday does not mean he is a success on another team. I guarentee you he will do next to nothing the rest of his career.

Another point 1st round picks are a 50/50 proposition. You want to look at hind site. Look at all the 1st round busts around the league in the first round. Look at all the 1st rounders Wolf busted on. He still brought a team to the superbowl and won. Of course everyone gave him adequate time to build that team. It was also a time when free agency was a big market due to no salary cap so teams left many players go to free angency. Team don’t let that many players go to free agency these days so there isn’t 15 or 20 big name guys out there every offseason.

One more thing… forget about having 2 or 3 draft picks that make a difference their first year. Ain’t going to happen. Your lucky to get 1 and a lot of times that doesn’t even happen so I don’t want to hear another word about drafting a player that’s going to make difference now. If it happens great but don’t count on it.
jeffn

How do you know Sitton is just a guy? College graded out as their best offensive lineman this season and you say he is no good. That doesn’t make any sense.

The real problems on this team are the defensive line. That’s where things need to be shored up. Better play calling would help to. The Pack needs to run the ball more.
Pete H

Colledge graded out as the best lineman in a year when Clifton stunk and got hurt, Tauscher looked old, Wells snapped a ball over Rodgers head, and the other guard position just blows. Yippie! Colledge was the best of that bunch! Fantastic. I say Sitton is just another guy because he is of the exact same mold as the other lineman drafted by TT. He has done nothing but get a developmental guy. If he isn’t developmental then he just plain sucks. Don’t compare to Wolf because he used free agency often. Don’t compare toother teams because they use free agency. That is the whole message. If TT is going to be a virtual draft only guy, then his drafts need to be better than everyone else’s. Therefore his fourth round picks better stick, his first rounders need to play, and he better get 2-3 picks who contribute their first year. Free agency is about the same..the cap came in 1994. Wolf also won a Super Bowl in his fourth year, and won every year…not just once in four years. Wrong again jeff
Pete H

by your own statement you are saying that TT should be looked at the same as any other drafter. So he is. He isn’t awful at it, but he is on par with every other GM out there and other GMs will go sign someone when their drafts aren’t up to par.
jeffn

Pete you are just a complainer and whiner. You portray yourself as the guy that holds things up at work and never moves forward because nothing is ever good enough.

You are such a hypocrit saying that you give TT credit for picking Collins and Rodgers who both took 4 years to develop and then complain about a guy Sitton a rookie who was drafted 2 to 3 rounds lower. You will complain about anything you can get your hands on it’s all you do. You ruin any creditability that your football knowledge has by complaining constantly. You are not even worth talking to anymore. All of your posts are the same. All you do is complain about TT and bring up the negative most of which isn’t even true. You are turning into a Jon. Here is some advice for you:

1) Don’t post until you have something new to add

2) sum up your posts with less words so we don’t have read a book just read the same stuff you posted before

3) Go have coffee with Jon this afternoon so you both can complain to each other about how you don’t like TT cuz that’s all either one of you talk and complain about anyway.
jeffn

I’m sorry to be brash and a Jackass but damn dude you just complain so much it’s draining.

TT is not a draft only guy he has 7 free agent signings that add value to this team and only 1 of these guys was a big name and I suppose that is your gripe you want more big names. TT is just highly selective in free agency and he has been spot on when he goes to free agency instead of blowing a bunch of money on Joe Johnsons. Now let me be specific, TT is spot on with FAs because he is selective and only signs a few certain ones, and he doesn’t have the huge free agent market that Wolf worked with.

Atari Bigby
Tramon Williams – playing just as good as Harris
Woodson
Picket
Chillar
Ruvell Martin
Donald Lee

Point being tho he is not a draft only guy. Will he go after a guys like Albert Haynsworth? Sure I think he would put the same value on a guy like that, that he put on Woodson because TT is smart. I do think he will spend a load of money on a guy like Haynsworth if the Titans don’t resign him. Hopefully he will agree to come here.
iccyfan

jeffn Says: December 17th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
“Just because because David Martin had 1 good play on the high light film this last Sunday does not mean he is a success on another team. I guarentee you he will do next to nothing the rest of his career.”

David Martin is having a career year with the ‘Phins; he’s not all-pro but he’ll set a career high in # of receptions and has already far-surpassed his season-yardage best. He’s averaging 14.9 yards / reception from rag-armed Chad Pennington, whereas our leading TE, Don Lee, is averaging 7.9 yards / catch. It’d be nice to benefit from a “up the seam” TE we developed; nothing more and nothing less. Ted let him go and kept his clone in Tory Humphrey, a younger cheaper player. The whole thrust of this week’s conversation is that the Packers don’t need to be the youngest team in the league every year; let’s keep or obtain a few savvy vets who can contribute here and there when needed.

Your credibility disintegrates when you make a stupid statement like, “I guarantee he’ll do nothing…”. I’ll trust Bill Parcells to evaluate talent any day of the week…
jeffn

He has 29 receptions for 431 yds and ranks 25th in the league for receptions for tight ends. He sucks and you trying to talk up a guy like David Martin is just really dumb.
jeffn

and for an 8th year player that’s pretty bad I might add.

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