Packers just can’t close the deal

Always be closing. Always, be closing. The Green Bay Packers of 2008 couldn’t close an umbrella. After choking away another late lead the Packers are 5-10 and have lost seven of those games by four points or less and have lost to only one team with a losing record. The Packers certainly have been unlucky at times, but because of their defense they are where they are for a reason. Just one big stop in all of those seven losses probably would have turned a loss into a win. It is simply amazing and no different again last night. The Packers held the Bears in check for three quarters but when the game was on the line they wilted like John Kitna. Same old story again and again.

To be honest, if the Packers choose to mail it in next Sunday and lose to the Lions, I don’t even care. And to be honest, if I was Aaron Rodgers and the rest of the offense, I would be hard pressed to get up for this game. Week after week the offense puts the team in position to win only to have the defense give it away. Lately special teams have also contributed to the losing streak. Last night when Bush let the ball hit him and the Bears recovered, anybody who has watched the Packers this year knew the game was over. Bears win. Keeping a player like Bush on the roster is enough reason to fire the entire coaching staff, because apparently none of them know talent when they see it and if they did think he should be cut they didn’t have the balls to say so. This is not the first game that bozo has cost the Packers and probably won’t be the last.

It has been a very strange year. Plenty of good individual performances from players like Aaron Rodgders, who has a chance to throw for 4000 yards and has 25 touchdown passes and 13 interceptions. He needs 270 yards to achieve a mark only achieved by three quarterbacks in Packers history. I could be wrong but only Lynn Dickey, Don Majkowski and Brett Favre have passed for 4000 yards in a season for the Packers.

Wide receiver Greg Jennings has turned into one of the best receivers in the NFL. With he and Rodgers being so young, this could be a combination that sets records in the years to come.

Ryan Grant bounced back from a holdout and slow start to rush for over 1000 yards and got better as the season went on. I can’t wait to see him when he can go through the whole offseason program in Green Bay. He may not be considered a top-level back right now, but I think he has a chance. After all, he is ninth in the NFL in rushing yards this year. Not too shabby. I wish they would give him the ball more. It was nice to see him catch some screens the last two games. Where was that all year?

Charles Woodson is getting better with age. His seven interceptions tied for the lead league and he made the Pro Bowl for the fifth time in his career and first with the Packers. All in little old Green Bay, the last place he wanted to play. His story is amazing and I hope the Packers use his ambassadorship to lure free agents to sign with the Packers, not only while he is playing here but after he retires. Woodson has been completely won over by the Packers organization and the fans and even the city. I love it.

Defensive end Aaron Kampman can’t help but feeling like a castaway on the Packers’ defensive line. He is all alone for most of the time, especially if he is anywhere near an opposing quarterback. Kampman is a true professional and the Packers are lucky to have a guy like him on their roster. People are always looking for leaders and if Kampman isn’t a leader, he should be. He is a leader by example, that is for sure.

Other veterans like Al Harris, Donald Driver, Mark Tauscher and Nick Barnett quietly had good seasons as well. Harris returned with a vengeance after a spleen injury sidelined for four games. Barnett’s loss to injury has turned out to be a huge blow, much like the loss of Cullen Jenkins in September. Jenkins is still second on the team with sacks with 2.5.

After the season for my first time I will do a rundown of who should stay and who should go. In my opinion anyway. You all know I think DC Bob Sanders and his staff needs to be released. But there are plenty of players, mostly on defense, who I don’t think will be around next year. An overhaul of the front seven is in order. With a solid defense the Packers would easily have won more games than they have. I don’t think this team is that far away. In fact, the lessons learned this year could go a long way in shaping the future. We learned the players we have on defense are not very good and we learned that we don’t have to worry about quarterback for the next ten years. While Rodgers had and probably still will have, some growing pains, it is clear he is a better than average quarterback who could be great with the right cast.

And finally, the Packers were absolutely robbed last night on the coin flip of overtime. That will go down as the first time in history that a coin flip that hit something on the way down was not re-flipped. It has never happened before in any game, bar, party, whatever. If the coin hits something you re-flip. The NFL refs can’t get anything right this year.

  • Jeff

    Yeah, the defense and the special teams gave it away, but I can’t get past the fact that our boys scored only 17 points on the Bears after putting one of their best defensive players on ice early. We moved the ball; we just couldn’t get in the end zone enough. Grant and the O-line just didn’t get it done. 25 carries for 61 yards on a 2.4 average – that sucks guys, and it has something to do with why we lost.

    Our offense should have won that game in regulation. It’s a score happy league – if you don’t get more than 17 points, you’re going to lose more often than not.

  • Larry

    A couple of – for what its worths -. 1957, 1958 teams were loaded with future GB and NFL HOFers; records were 3-9 and 1-15. No TV then so who knows what they looked like on the field other than its reported there was no team dicipline. I’ve never been one to compare eras but its my opinion we have no dicipline on D now. Either that or “no brains”. The other response is a rebuttal to the criticism of going for 3 late in games. I was always under the impression that whenever you get into the red zone your main goal is to come away with a score – period. How many times have you seen teams take 3 running shots just to get the ball into the middle of the field to get that “automatic”, at least, 3 points? Outcome, just like a draft, is obviously not always achieved but that doesn’t change the percentage of success that the call is based on. With the 13-3, ARs stats, youth – now with some experience, the 3-4 point losses, good draft position, and the coaching staff now with a full examination of the entire roster and a years film to digest in the off-season I expect a full turn around. We may lose Harris and Driver via trade to get that missing link everybody wants on D but thats the price you have to pay. The OT situation can be handled thru current roster and/or draft. Still not sure if the Special Teams and D are a coach, talent, or “head” problem because I’m not qualified to say, but think about who they put on the ST – its the scrubs for the most part. Unlike 13-3 this has not been a very “lucky” year either, right down to the coin toss and Bearse spot. If ever the old adage of “Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water” applied its sure now!

  • Jeff

    I’d disagree with a wholesale replacement of personnel myself – I’ve said somewhere on this blog that this team was not far from 10 or 11 wins this year. A little more experience under Rodgers’s belt, some better run blocking, and an improved pass rush where a guy who got injured in September is #2 in sacks, and I think this team competes.

    If the linebackers get the expected bump from better D-line play, I think we’re in the playoffs. To get any more than that, I think we need something special to happen somewhere.

    Regarding coaching – if proven winners are available at ST and DC, I say go get ‘em.

  • Mark T

    Yes, lots of player weaknesses, but what about scheme?
    Maybe it’s player weakness that makes the schemes look bad.
    I’m not happy with the zone blocking or the Bates style defense.
    I guess my opinion would be different if we were having success with either.

    Anyone care to share their take on either – or both?

  • Roy Jamison

    Al, that coin toss doesn’t matter cuz, at this point, we don’t give a flip! I’d say change is needed. MM will have to decide if an upgrade in coaching will help. (Could it hurt?) Talent always makes coaches look better or worse. Unfortunately for Sanders, this bunch up front didn’t offer much hope. There are more questions for TT than answers we’ll ever get on decisions he made. A veteran DE would come in handy.
    Merry Christmas to all and to all a good day!

  • paul

    Here is the address to send mail to the Green Bay Packers. You can address to any player, management, etc., and they will get your letter. I am sending one to Mark Murphy that will be simple and concise….Fire TT/MM and hire someone who can find talent and another who can get the best out of that talent. Good luck and Merry
    Christmas.

    Green Bay Packers
    1265 Lombardi Avenue
    Green Bay, WI 54304
    USA

    This address came from a reliable source. Let me know if anyone finds emails, other addresses etc., I plan to do more than just bitch.

  • Larry

    This run game is an enigma. Start with the last half of last year. Then go through the OL injuries after the 1st two games this year and Grants early troubles. Even in the last few games there were flashes. If Grant gets a hole, he scoots for at least 10. If he doesn’t he can’t break it outside. I don’t know wether to blame him or the OL or the coach. He still broke 1000 didn’t he? Its hard to know wether the scheme is any good or not. One thing for sure it isn’t consistant, and maybe that is why its so darned hard to tell where we are re running game. The Denver OL as I recall were mobile and not that big; Terrell Davis, on the other hand could change direction unlike Grant. Grant tho, to me seems stronger when healthy. Help me!!!!

  • RayL

    Our offense scored 17 points when we average 23.9 on a Bears defense that had been giving up an average of 21.9 per game. Our defense allowed 20 points to a bears offense that averages 23.4 per game. I would blame the offense before the defense. Yes, our special teams suck, and we can’t stop the run when the game is on the line, and our play calling leaves alot to be desried. I have said all along we need a better O-Line and a Power FB. Greg Olsen was taken by the Breas at # 30. We got Justin Harrell at # 16. What is TT smoking?

  • Dan

    The one thing that keeps going through my mind is that Sanders is supposed to have learned from Bates. Bates philosophy was to bend but don’t break. First rule is do not give up big plays. Second rule, see the first rule. Guess what, this defense hasn’t done that. Every defensive player should have had that rule tattooed on their skull. I can accept our starting CBs getting beat once in awhile, they play a physical game that is needed for this scheme. Beyond that, noone gets a free pass for allowing so many big plays to happen. We play in a division with terrible QBs (6 games) and played Seattle when they were devastated. Every defensive coach must go, but the head coach let them fail without demanding a change.

    The truly freightening thing is that the players have yelled at each other more than the coaching staff. It reminds me too much of the Ray Rhodes 1 year fiasco. Every coach from Rhodes staff lacked discipline, thank goodness Wolf ran them out of town before it became a habit.

    Discipline wins games (Lombardi, Holmgren, Parcells, Belicheck, Shula, Cowher, etc).
    The Dolphins turned things around this year by bringing in discipline.

    As far as player changes, etc, the experts know more than me. One thing is clear, we can’t expect Chicago and Minnesota to stand by QBs that can’t throw the ball 30 yards.

  • TRIP

    Coin flip?

    There shouldn’t have been a coin flip.

    Try a COACH FLIP!

  • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

    The one thing I hope TT learned from the Harrell draft is that YOU DON’T DRAFT PLAYERS WITH A HISTORY OF INJURIES IN THE FIRST ROUND. Geez, as soon as the announcers said that (because no one had ever heard of the kid) I groaned out loud. Olsen should have been the pick, hands down, or a tackle. Quit drafting guards!

    Order of draft needs (in my opinion):
    1) Defensive Tackle – with Jenkins, Kampan and Pickett still on the line, I think were one starter and maybe one reliable back-up to get it done here.
    2) Offensive Tackle (maybe two)
    3) Cornerback – yeah Williams has promise, and Blackmon, but we still need 2 more. Bush needs to be cut now. I can’t believe he made the team this year.
    4) Tight End – Lee is decent, but I’m not convinced after that.
    5) A bruising running back. Like a Brandon Jacobs.
    6) Fullback. Kuhn is just another guy.
    7) Linebacker. Hawk is just another guy, let’s face it. Poppinga doesn’t scare anybody. We now know how important Barnett was to that defense, even when he wasn’t at his best.
    8) Back-up quarterback. Sign a veteran to compete with Brohm.

    If I know TT, like we always do, then he won’t sign any big free agents, because he A) doesn’t want to get into a bidding war, or B) believes too much in the draft. It’s time for him to take some chances in FA, or he will be gone. Not every big free agent on the market is a bust. Ask Kris Jenkins.

  • iccyfan

    Matt Hayton Says:
    “Here’s my basic question? Could MM’s playcalling been that much diferent than it was last year? Doubt it. We are all creatures of habit. Favre made MM’s playcalling look lightyears better than what it is. No fault to Rodgers, but he hasn’t played in the league 16 years and seen every defense like ol #4. Favre regularly audibled at the line of scrimmage last year, in fact he audibled more last year than I ever remember him doing in his entire time here. Hindisght being 20/20, that says an awful lot about MM’s playcalling. Favre’s physical talent at this stage in his career is inferior to AR, but not his mental ability to lead an offense and change the play at the line of scrimmage.”

    Here’re my questions to Matt Hayton. How do you know how many times BF audibled out of a play last season and years prior? Do you know the “success rate” of the audibles you allege BF to have called? Do you know how many times AR has audibled this season and his success rate?

    Bottom Line: You don’t squat about MM’s playcalling from this year or past years so don’t try to use it in your NEVERENDING quest…

  • Pack4life

    The Case For the Firing of Mcarthy.
    Which Team has scored the most points in the division? That Would Be the Packers by a full 30-40 pts over Min-Chi. Thats a full game. The Packers are 0-8 in close games. The Packers were able win several close games in 2007, over Philly,Washington,SD,KC,and Denver. The KC,SD and Den. games you can give to Brett. Philly and Washington were Defense and ST victories. So without Brett you can say based on the same players close games should be split. Also without a veteran QB other aspects of the team should have been upgraded to compensate. See
    Baltimore, Atlanta and Miami. But the entire team has regressed, except for Nick Collins. Atlanta, Miami and Baltimore have great running games built on the strength their offensive line. Mcarthy has installed a zone running game. This is year 3 of the program. By any measure it is a complete failure. Consider that Atlanta and Baltimore have journeyman lineman and great running games in YEAR ONE OF THEIR PROGRAM!!!
    Consider the VIKES and BEARS are built on Athletic Defenses. See the earlier point about helping a young QB out? The fourth and 1 Failures in the Carolina, Houston games are directly related to this failure. I hope Sitton, Giancomi are decent players but I dont bet on it.
    The next point will deal with TT’s failures

  • Roy Jamison

    TT year by year
    1. 4-12 – Throws Sherman under the bus
    2. 8-8 – Hires McCarthy who has “healthy” players
    3. 13-3 – What a sensational year playing sub standard opponents in a weak schedule
    4. 6-10 – Contract extentions for TT and MM from previous wonderful year. Cuts punter just before the season opens. May or may not realize KGB is on last legs. Has no replacement for Jenkins when he goes down. Drafts not one but two qbs because he is confident defensive line is solid. Barnett goes down with no replacement. Tauscher plays last down as he goes down. Jordy Nelson becomes a good 4th option.
    If and it may be a big if they beat the Lions, after 4 years, TT will have
    31-33 record. Has the defense been anymore special than the special teams?
    I know all this is 20/20 hindsight, but maybe we should compare TT with his peers. I don’t think Parsells went into this year wanting to have the youngest team in the NFL and waiting a couple of years for development.

  • Roy Jamison

    And this story made my Christmas holiday even brighter. How much cap money will have to be swallowed to allow Justin to find something else to do?

    Harrell out again
    Defensive tackle Justin Harrell’s season is over, and the Packers must move quickly to decide what to do about the back problems that ruined his second NFL season.

    The team on Thursday ruled Harrell out for Sunday’s season finale against the Detroit Lions because of recurring pain in his lower back and hip. If the team determines Harrell needs more surgery — he last underwent a procedure in August to remove fragments of the herniated disc surgeons shaved down in April — it would have to happen soon for the former first-round draft pick to be ready for the start of the offseason strength and conditioning program in March.

    “It’s something that’s been going on,” McCarthy said of Harrell’s injury, “and I’m sure as we move past this week, we’ll re-evaluate and have a plan to get Justin back as fast as we can.”

  • paul

    Iccy Puss,

    Are you capable of posting without quoting other people’s posts/thoughts and just end up trying to rip them? Matt Hayton’s post was just fine, his opinion and one that probably many now can agree with.

    It is easy to tell when a QB audibles if you know anything about the game beyond being a casual observer. Your problem appears to be that anyone pro Favre is off base to you and hurts your feelings. 15 years with Favre…one losing season with teams not this talented. The Favre factor is clear and pisses you off. Lastly, it was great when the Packers won their 5th game and everyone ganged up on me stating how far off my 4-12 predictions was….I hoped I would be way off and wrong…but I was a lot closer than you…drink some kool aid…if it isn’t frozen up there.

  • Maxaz1

    MM: you didn’t see Lee in the end zone.
    AR: No missed him.
    MM: That was in the game plan.
    AR: Mike you know they didn’t teach game plans at Cal
    MM: Sorry, forgot that
    AR: Not a good season but you, I and Ted got our money.
    MM: I told you not to talk about that.
    AR: Some of the guys aren’t happy.
    MM: Hi Ted, How long have you been there?
    TT: Never mind
    TT: Who’s not happy?
    AR: Just some of the guys.
    TT: Who?
    MM: Take it easy Ted.
    TT: We gave him that money to throw touchdowns and be our eyes and ears.
    TT: Who?
    AR: I have to go. Good thing the game is here. I don’t know where Detroit is.
    TT: Aaron you better start throwing touchdowns and getting me info. I can send to worse places then NY.

  • iccyfan

    paul – I disagree with Matt on the topic of 2008 Brett Favre, but I have nothing but respect for his passion and industriousness. A university researcher will spend years developing a theory, later to publish his findings for the express purpose of having others in the same field critique it. I find Matt’s writings to be interesting enough that I look for the flaws in his argument, and he defends his position with vigor. That’s what passionate adults do in a forum of this type.

    And then, you do what you do, which adds little to the forum but probably does help pass the time in your fantasy world!

  • Roy Jamison

    Here’s what they are really playing for tomorrow!
    Never to early to see Mel’s prospect list. Of course Juniors have not announced whether they are going for the money grab, or waiting for a money boost next year. We’ll get to see those USC LBs in the Rose Bowl!
    Mel’s 2009 Big Board (Dec. 17)Player Yr. Pos. School Chg.
    1. Aaron Curry Sr. LB Wake Forest
    2. Jason Smith Sr. OT Baylor
    3. Rey Maualuga Sr. LB USC
    4. Brandon Pettigrew Sr. TE Oklahoma St.
    5. Eugene Monroe Sr. OT Virginia
    6. Brian Cushing Sr. LB USC
    7. Brian Orakpo Sr. DE Texas
    8. Malcolm Jenkins Sr. CB Ohio State
    9. B.J. Raji Sr. DT Boston College
    10. Michael Oher Sr. OT Mississippi
    11. William Moore Sr. S Missouri
    12. Peria Jerry Sr. DT Mississippi
    13. Tyson Jackson Sr. DE LSU
    14. Alex Mack Sr. C California
    15. James Laurinaitis Sr. LB Ohio State
    16. Max Unger Sr. C Oregon
    17. Larry English Sr. LB No. Illinois
    18. Michael Johnson Sr. DE Georgia Tech
    19. Clay Matthews Sr. LB USC
    20. Clint Sintim Sr. LB Virginia
    21. Alphonso Smith Sr. CB Wake Forest
    22. Mohamed Massaquoi Sr. WR Georgia
    23. Duke Robinson Sr. OG Oklahoma
    24. Juaquin Iglesias Sr. WR Oklahoma

  • Roy Jamison

    And another thing to look “forward” to is the 2010 uncapped year

    The prospect of the NFL playing the 2010 season without a salary cap, triggered by the owners’ decision to opt out of its collective bargaining agreement two years early, might provide cash-flush owners with the opportunity to stock teams as never before.

    THE DETAILS: Owners unanimously decide to opt out of CBA

    Snyder, though, insisted Tuesday that he didn’t envision stocking up in 2010 despite the possibility of losing the constrictions of a salary cap.

    “No, not at all,” said Snyder, whose team didn’t make a big splash in free agency this offseason. “We’ve always been aggressive in free agency, but I think you can see from this year that it’s been based on when we’ve had more needs in some years than we had in other years.”

    The 2010 season looms as a Pandora’s box, given the financial disparity between some NFL teams. According to Forbes, the Redskins grossed $130 million more in 2007 than the Minnesota Vikings.

    That fuels questions of whether the league’s competitive balance could be skewed by a free-for-all environment.

    Despite the disparities, it’s difficult to predict how an uncapped 2010 would unfold, given the conditions attached to an uncapped year:

    • The top eight playoff finishers from the previous season would be allowed to sign free agents only at the rate at which they lose them.

    • Players would need six NFL seasons to be eligible for free agency, rather than four.

    • Each team would be allowed to restrict two eligible free agents with “franchise” or “transition” player tags, rather than one.

    The biggest impact of an uncapped year might be the timetable both sides face to strike a new deal. The prospect of an uncapped year in 2007 was a driving force that led to the collective bargaining agreement in March 2006. Players union chief Gene Upshaw sees an uncapped year as a point of no return, saying once players get out of a salary-cap system, they wouldn’t agree to another in ensuing years.

    “That’s what we see as a realistic deadline,” Upshaw said, referring to the league year starting in March 2010. “If nothing is done by then … I’m not going to try to sell players on cap again. I don’t know who will, but it won’t be me. Once we go through the cap, why should we get it again?”

    Countered commissioner Roger Goodell, “In 1993 we didn’t have a capped system and we got one. So I’m sure there will be a lot of rhetoric about a no-cap system, but we were able to make that transition before, and we’ll be able to do it again if necessary.”

    In an uncapped year, Upshaw said, players would receive more than the 60% of total revenue that is currently central to the rift with owners. Upshaw said even with the prospect of an uncertain 2010, he is advising players to sign long-term deals if the numbers work. He thinks that could supply players with leverage in renegotiations.

    Some teams are already operating in anticipation of an uncapped year. Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones said he has thought for months about 2010 and how decisions that include signing players to long-term contracts weigh against the potential upheaval of the system.

    “One thing is certain,” Jones said. “It will become a bigger challenge for everybody.”

    Jones made two moves Tuesday that surely reflected his planning. He signed cornerback Terence Newman (six years, $50 million) and running back Marion Barber III (seven years, $45 million) to deals that will tie them to the team through 2014. By signing them before a 3 p.m. deadline Tuesday, Dallas avoided accounting rules that go into effect with the revised collective bargaining agreement.

  • paul

    Iccy, no theory needed…facts are facts. 15 years, one losing season, probowls, superbowls, MVP’s, etc., etc., etc. The train has left the station and it is so obvious. Hopefully the next train will have TT/MM on it.

  • Roy Jamison

    BTW, the Ron Wolf article in the WSJ is pretty good. Didn’t know he was with the Bucs when they went 0-14.