Favre re-retires, this time for good

Brett Favre has finally called it a career, and this time it is for good. In fact, the official retirement papers are already being processed for by the NFL so you can rule out a comeback this time. While I was hoping that now that Favre has retired, Packers’ fans could once again come together, judging by the early comments I’ve read, that isn’t going to happen. I have to feel sorry for the Packers’ fans that hate Thompson. You have to root for your team to lose so they fire the GM. How wrong is that? I couldn’t root against the Packers to lose even if Obama was the GM. And besides, anybody who thinks 22 TDs and 22 picks is a good years has a screw loose. The Jets did win three more games than the Packers, but the Jets did have a consistent running game and real defense, unlike the Packers.

But all that to me is water under the bridge. In a few years nobody will remember Favre’s childish behavior in attempting to force his way back to the Packers after retiring last March. Like Joe Willy Nameth and Johnny Unitas before him, nobody thinks of those players as a Ram or Charger, so nobody will think of Brett as anything other than a Packer. That was pretty much proven in just the last 15 minutes when Favre’s retirement commandeered all of ten minutes to open the NFL Network’s Total Access show. Granted, more coverage came later but not like last year’s all day coverage. Many of comments I did hear was that it was a year too late, and that is a little sad. Even Favre admitted he could no longer throw the ball like he used to, which is saying a lot for Brett, who never let anyone believe he wasn’t still one of the best in league. We all saw it the last few years, a great three months, than a meltdown in December and January. The Packers never had that one other superstar to pick up the slack

Brett Favre was the most exciting player in the NFL for 17 years, thankfully 16 of those were in Green Bay. It only amounted to one championship, but there are much more good memories than bad, even with the excruciating playoff losses. Having a winning team every year is pretty damn nice. Favre had only one losing season in Green Bay and won nine games with the Jets last year. Not too shabby. Rodgers already has one losing season, I think it might be his last at least a few years, though. To think Rodgers could have the longevity of Favre is ridiculous. Give me ten years and I’ll be more than happy, and to be able to stick around that long means you are winning more games than you lose. After putting up the numbers Rodgers did last year and with the all-star defensive coaching staff put in place, Rodgers is set up for success, and I didn’t even mention the offensive weapons he already has.

I just wish fans could understand the decision to go with Rodgers was for the long-term future of the team, and now that Favre has retired after just one season with the Jets justifies that decision. You watch, given a little time, even Favre will admit that. In fact, he kind of did already today when he said “maybe I came back for the wrong reasons.” I admit he felt a lack of love from Ted Thompson, but like Thompson always says, the NFL is a big boys league and loyalty is just a word. Just ask Ray Lewis. Lewis was asked if he’d take less to play for the Ravens, the team he played for his entire career and the team that made him a superstar, Lewis simply said “I don’t play less, so I don’t take less.” So believe me, it works both ways.

I am really looking forward to next season and Packers’ fans should now be able to concentrate solely on their team again and I think they will actually be happy with what they find. I also hope the Packers’ family and Favre can put their differences aside and not rob the Packers’ fans of retiring Favre’s number next year. A word of advice though, don’t make it opening day.

  • Roy Jamison

    Fans have emotional attachments, GMs don’t.

  • Michael Legat

    Brett Favre told Peter King that part of the reason he came back was to “stick it to Ted.” Mark, does that make him an Armenian or a Turk?

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Cheesy, iccy, Michael, of course you’re right about Brett. I’m not defending him. But as you point out his holding a grudge is unbecoming for a hero(and he played heroically if not coldly enough). It’s unbecoming for us too. I wish I could say I feel your pain but I don’t. I was miserable the day of the trade and it took me about a week. After that I was looking forward to see how it would turn out. iccy, your right about Lambeau. Some of these things are just nuts.

  • Pete H

    I pop back in to see whats going on and it still all about Brett? Good Lord! What the hell difference does it make? He wanted to play some more and see what he still had, and to stick it to the Packers. He did, it wasn’t what he expected, he realized it and retired. The Pack wanted to move forward, the let Brett go, played Rodgers, and here we are. Brett still played 16 great years here, giving what he could…way good and way bad…but it was fun always. Now we have Rodgers, he looks great so far. Did all of you have a conniption when Reggie retired, and then played one more year? Nope…he’s still a hero around here, and deservedly so. Should we take Holmgrens sign down because he went somewhere else, because he wanted more? How about Lombardi’s? Edgar Bennett played for the Bears, the Pack should fire him as their coach right? Grow up. Did Brett act completely irrationally and childish…..yep. Could TT have handled it all much better….yep. Were there massive egos involved…yep. Ego is part of football success. The best always think they are the best. some wear it better than others. That is what we call a human flaw people. Yes it is crazy to think that a bunch of men involved in the NFL would let their egos get in the way of good judgement sometimes. Who cares why he came back? Who cares that he has slowed, and that we are better off now. Who cares that he still has a grudge against a man in the organization who didn’t think he had it anymore, and was right for the most part. Its all done now. He played really hard and well for a really long time….He was a football player. That is what he is supposed to do.

  • MacCheez

    I say “yes” on the Holmgren sign.

  • Pete H

    wow

  • JeffN

    As far as the whole Brett Favre things goes at this point: A big WHATEVER to that.

  • Roy Jamison

    Yup, there oughta be a street named for Favre. Favre Pass at the intersection of Touchdown Street. In all due respect, I think this is the last post that I’ll mention number 4 till they retire his number or he is inducted into the Hall of Fame. It won’t be long till the draft.

  • Reid

    Roy – I agree. We should all just drop the whole Favre thing. It speaks for itself. We should all just wish him well in his retirement and hope he is able to head back to Kiln, relax, and find a nice cousin to date.

  • Larry

    22-22, private “dressing” area, “not my job” to help and teach newbees, $12M, and I am or am not retired. Thats enough for me. I see top CB at #9, if available, which allows some time to analyze who we have that fits new D. Recognizing we will need journeyman FAs for roster fill at LB/DE pos. If CB not available its probably a toss-up between NT and tweener. The problem I see is that at #9 the top guy at each of our need positions most likely is gone. Since the 2nd rated guy at each pos. isn’t worth a #9 lets trade down. There I’ve said it, lets start another hot button issue other than BF.

  • iccyfan

    Larry Says: February 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
    “I see top CB at #9, if available, which allows some time to analyze who we have that fits new D. If CB not available its probably a toss-up between NT and tweener. The problem I see is that at #9 the top guy at each of our need positions most likely is gone. Since the 2nd rated guy at each pos. isn’t worth a #9 lets trade down.”

    The early draft boards prognosticate the Packers taking CB Malcom Jenkins of Ohio State. I don’t know why, but I have a strong negative visceral reaction to that pick! I read somewhere recently that the guy who runs the NFL Combine projects Jenkins as a Strong Safety rather than a corner. Nooooo….

    I know that the Mel Kiper & Todd McShay’s of the world are just making a living, and guys shown on early draft boards could fall out entirely by the time late April rolls around. I hope there’s a slam-dunk OT or defensive “need” sitting there at #9 and not a “tweener” CB/Safety! Otherwise, I wouldn’t mind seeing them trade lower down in the first (but not out of it) and grabbing one of those USC linebackers!

    In closing, I’ll gladly join the BF embargo without any further comment other than, everyone is entitled to their opinion! “Grow Up” – Wow!

  • JeffN

    Larry/Iccy, here is how I see the Packs 1st pick at #9:

    If the Nose Tackle from Boston College BJ Raji is there pick him, if he is no longer available trade down to the middle of the 1st round and pick up an additional 2nd rounder if possible. Raji is the only player that might be available that has high value with the 9th pick, everyone else is roughly the same talent from picks 9 to the middle of the 1st round.

    The Pack is full up at CB. Harris and Woodson have a good 2 to 3 years left in them. Tramon Williams played as good as Al Harris when he was starting. Plus you have Will Blackmon and don’t forget about last years 2nd round Pick Pat Lee who is a fine starting calibur player in the NFL. He was burried on the depth chart as a rookie because of all the talent we have at CB.

    In the 2nd round things get very interesting IMO. We should be drafting a “3-4 DE” in the 2nd round. Cullin Jenkins is the only guy on the team sized properly to play DE in a 3-4. The Packers have a ton of OLB talent with Kampan moving to OLB. Unfortunatly our other DE are too small to play DE in a 3-4 which includes Hunter, Montgomery, and Thompson. So those guys either get released or move to OLB or bulk up to play end but are all questionable as DE. There is a very good chance the 2 best “3-4 DE” in this years draft will be available when the Pack drafts high in the 2nd round. Those 2 players are:

    Tyson Jackson LSU 6-5 290
    Jarron Gilbert San Jose State 6-5 287

    I have not looked into the 3rd round yet but the Pack has 2 picks in the 3rd this year.

  • Larry

    Good discussion with consensus, I guess, that NT is greatest need. At 9 I dont care for “need”. On the other hand I could make a case for need at CB because of age, last yrs injuries at the pos., and we have no idea how Harris fares in new D. By “tweener” I meant DE/OLB not CB/S although I think Woodson is just that and that doesn’t scare me away from Jenkins. I further don’t like to pay All-Pro $ to rookies unless they can walk on water, hence my middle 1st fear at “need” If need choice was a mistake (don’t we have one in sick bay now?) we’re screwed, unlike best athlete who can be moved around. There, again, Woodson will be OK but I am concerned about Harris.

  • Reid

    There are 3 really good OT’s ranked high too. We could use a good one as our OT’s are much older and more injury-prone than our CB’s.

  • JeffN

    If Raji is there at 9 he will be the best player available. It’s a unique situation where he is the best player available and he could make a difference this year rotating with Pickett and being the NT of the future. However there is only a 50/50 chance he will still be on the board.

    I would agree that if Raji is not there the corner will be the best player available.

    The Pack was doing the right thing by going exclusively with best player available the last few years coming off of the Sherman era which had them depleted of talent. I think things are different now. They are at the point now where they need to start looking at certain positions along the DL. This is a good draft for DL so I think they need to capitalize.

    I never thought I would say this but they need to start drafting for need.

  • Larry

    Reid, I guess that makes good sense, but wow what a risk given our history. You would have to almost guarantee that the choice would have to be an instant starter at LOT W/ Cliffy as a backup. Will that caliber be avail at 9?

  • Larry

    JeffN, I agree totally, but, the big but, is he a starter? Got to be at that spot, I think.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    I’m sorry about this guys. I know you’re real tired of the #4 grudge thing. But I looked up Bobby Layne and ran into thecurseof bobbylayne.com which puts to shame anything we’ve got. He was so mad at being dumped because the management thought he was getting old, he supposedly cursed the Lions for 50 years ending in 2008. Funny site.

  • Larry

    Hey, maybe DET takes a WR rather than a QB………….

  • iccyfan

    Larry – there were multiple immediate starting OT’s taken after Selection #9 in 2008; I believe LT Ryan Clady of Boise State (Broncos) was #11 and Atlanta got one out of USC in the 20′s. Of course the Bears busted with theirs, the giant Williams kid from Vanderbilt, as there are no guarantees. C’mon Teddy, do your homework!

  • Larry

    I know I’ll get a lot of flack, but here goes…………..TT trades down out of #9. Other than habit, most mocks have the three top OTs, the top CB, LB, and DT gone in the top 8 with the other two being QB and WR. This leaves us w/ the option of a 2nd string All-American (Cushing) who’s best days were in High School or the second rated player at our need positions on D. I think thats too much of a reach at #9. Since the depth of the draft seems to be tweeners (OLB/DE) and OTs lets move down w/ the extra picks. At this point I’d rather go FA for the 3-4 OLB and/or DE. Who knows there might be a RB or WR(Ha-Ha) available in the 2nd or 3rd that we haven’t mentioned yet. I still feel that a #9 has to be a starter and the only pos. that that would happen in our lineup is at OT. Wow, Garcia to the Bearse? The QB spot in our Div. just keeps getting better and better………..!

  • Pete H

    I don’t really care if the guy is the first, second, third rated player at his position. Can he play, this year? If there is a tackle (defensive or offensive) at 9 that can be a stud, I could give 2 shits about where he rated out. I just don’t want to see another developmental project. If they trade down again, so be it, but it better not end up being accumulated picks that turn into another no name WR…not that they haven’t been good picks.. and a couple of “project” lineman that “could really be something”. That is what I am tired of. Be it FA or draft, I just want some people who can play this season.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    The Pats got Mayo with the 10th pick. He was the second LB rated and taken. Started every game and was D-rookie of the year. We don’t have to get the highest rated guy, just someone who can play.

  • Larry

    Yeah, so was Hawk…….who knows?

  • Roy Jamison

    I don’t envy the Lions. They already have drafted a high pick at qb and missed with Joey Harrington. He’s one of those guys who I really liked as a college player. But, he simply did not transition to the pros for many reasons. Now the Lions could easily swing and miss on another highly hyped qb. With all the new fangled technology, you’d think the scouts would have a little higher success rate in the first round.

  • JeffN

    With all this talk of the pack drafting an OLB or tweener… I just don’t see it. They have enough good players at OLB. Kampman, Chiller, Hawk, one could argue Poppinga. In anycase we have starters and backups already on the team at that position. I could see adding another OLB for depth but I wouldn’t spend a high pick. Instead I might pic one in later rounds that has upside.

  • Reid

    JeffN – Jeremy Thompson may fit in that spot too.

  • JeffN

    Agreed, Thompson, Hunter, Montgomery. They all either need to play OLB or bulk up to play 3-4 DE. I see the Pack with a surplus of OLB currently.

    I’m starting to think more and more that Raji may not be available when we pick at 9. Acquring a NT with his kind of ability is just going to be too hard for teams to pass up. Unless you are the Lions you will never get a nother oppurtunity to draft this high and have a guy like this available even when you are drafting high.

    It looks like there may be several really good 3-4 DE available at the top of the 2nd so I’m pretty excited about that.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Maybe TT trades up a couple spots if Raji is still there……..

  • Larry

    Wouldn’t that be an anomaly for TT; swap 1sts and plus a third for him. I wonder if he’s worth it, or would it be better to give Hanynesworth the 12.2 he wants and keep our 1st and the BF 3rd. I’d be happier with a trade down if Jenkins and Raji are not available and stock up on OTs and “tweeners”. I further like getting 3-4 LBs in FA.

  • iccyfan

    Honest Inquiry Forthcoming: For those interested in acquiring B.J. Raji to pair with Pickett at NT, where does that leave Justin Harrell? We haven’t seen enough to know what he excels at, but his draft bio says he’s not a pass rusher per se, but excels at holding the point of attack. If he could ever get healthy, might he not be our guy at NT?

    I looked at a mock draft on-line yesterday which shows the GBP taking Raji at #9, Clay Mathews (LB – USC) in the second round and an OT in the early third. Chase Coffman, TE – Mizzou and Paul’s son, goes two picks later in the third round. Anybody other than me think we could use an upgrade at receiving TE and find one with Coffman’s pedigree to be intriguing?

  • Roy Jamison

    iccy Justin Harrell is still in the whirlpool. I say hold a garage sale for him. If someone offers a 7th round pick, take it fast as you can!
    BTW, they had a good article in the Kansas City Star today about Chase Coffman. He’s been hurt since the Alamo Bowl, recovering from broken bone in his foot. He is one helluva receiver, big target at 6’6″ 245 lbs. The only knock on him is that in the spread system he comes from the TE doesn’t block.

  • Larry

    I thought it an interesting comment that Thompson said that the #9 wouldn’t have to be an instant starter. Man, that smells like trade down to me!+

  • Pete H

    That is TT covering his own ass. As for Coffman, just because his last name is Coffman doesn’t mean he is an upgrade at receiving TE. Lee can catch and run routes pretty well. Finley showed some stuff at the end of the season. It doesn’t matter who is there…i.e. Tony Gonzalez….if the system and play calling doesn’t utlize him. for much of the season the Packers were running short receiver routes and getting them the ball. Backs and TEs were virtually left out of the scheme for much of the season…remember, no screens? Last year was all about getting the ball in wide receivers hands, either very short or very long, or just running the ball.

  • Roy Jamison

    Larry, that’s an interesting thought altho I would not think TT would trade down unless he REALLY got a good deal. Maybe he thinks he can move down a few spots and still nab a guy who is more reflective of the money that is slotted. I hear the defensive side is not that great in the first round. On the other hand it looks like a great year for wideouts in the first round.

  • Larry

    Not sure if you were being sarcastic regarding the top 10 D Roy. I think a good deal would be a lower 1 and a 2 or 3 which seems to be TTs mind set in the past. But, in the top 9 there’s a CB, 3 OT, 2 QB, 1 or 2 LB, a DT, and maybe a couple of DEs. I realize thats 12 but it depends which prognosticator’s list you refer to. Thing is, would MM-TT-MM drop if someone they like in that group is dropping? I guess if they miss on the expected drop they wanted a safe pick would be OT or WR at 2 with an extra 2-3 picks in the 7 rounds. This group has a history and we have no way of knowing what the impact of Capers will have in the process; ie, does he have the first pick?

  • JeffN

    Devil, it’s possible that TT could trade up to get Raji but the more likely case would be he picks at 9 and takes whichever of the top 8 guys slide to that pick(highest value). It will probably be either an OT or Raji. Trading down is also possible but I don’t see that real likely just because not many teams like to trading up that high on the board.

    As far as where does Harell fit in. Well you can’t count on him to fit in anywhere until he proves something. If he does get healthy he could play either NT or DE in the 3-4. He weighs in at about 320 these days so he is big enough for NT and also fast enough for DE.

  • JeffN

    FYI, Jeremy Thompson and Jason Hunter both DE in last years scheme. MM has already been refering to them as OLB. I haven’t heard anything official but it sounds like he is planning on both of them playing OLB.

    The thing that scares me is Cullen Jenkins and Micheal Montgomery are the only DE we have now. Montgomery is a bit undersized to play 3-4 DE weighing in at the 270 range.

  • Larry

    Watching MM/Capers shift the big guys around on paper reminds me of my criticism last year that they did not know how to use our guys in the right spots. Good coachs adapt their scheme to the talents of those players they have to work with. That didn’t happen last year and we all know the result. I’m amazed that the coaching staff (assuming no smoke) seem so high on the on-board talent on D. Maybe I was right and didn’t know it!

  • Roy Jamison

    I think we’ll see a DE come in from Free Agency, a LB and Nose from the draft. What I hate about these drafts is the slotting system. There are so many draft “experts” now that sometimes overlap each other. There is a certain odor to a draft when the “experts” claim Raji is the best of only an average draft for NTs. On the other hand, Sanchez, knowing he would be slotted high in this qb poor draft is going to get picked way higher than he should. I agree with the experts who point to the low number of college starts and how that “usually” translates in a very rough conversion to the NFL. I actually like Sanchez but I think he made a big mistake coming out a year too soon. Bradford of OU made the right move even tho he would have also been drafted in the top five most likely. You also gotta think Alex Smith got the short end of the stick when McCarthy left and then was treated to two more for a total of 3 OCs in three years. His learning curve would have been much better with some consistency. Who knows how he’ll overcome that.

  • JeffN

    Roy, Raji is a real top talent in this draft. He is the only NT that is 1st round talent however after him it drops off to 3rd round calibur guys at NT in my opinion. Collectivly as a group NT is weak in the this draft but all the other DL positions have better than average depth.

    Larry, I think MM and TT are high on the talent they have on defense except the D-Line. They have excellent talent at every postion except D-Line. they are not going to come out say that but they have to know it.

  • TRIP

    6-10…. Enough said.

    I’ve lost all expectancy.

  • JeffN

    What does 6-10 have to do with anything we are talking about? We all know what the Packers record was last year. Do you have anything to add? Many of us are discussing what we would like to see to improve the team.

  • Pack4life

    TT has the ammo to move up this year thanks to the extra 3rd rounder how great it would be if he used that to get Raji. If we stay at 9 we will get one of the linebackers hopefully Cushing or the DE From Tech.

  • Roy Jamison

    I see that the Pack wants to resign Cole, not that he was overpaid. I don’t know if he’d be a good nose like they think. He may be better off playing DE if he stays. However, after second look, the Pack doesn’t have much at NT besides Pickett and I’d think you get a lot of mileage quickly at that position. The good news is there seems to be plenty of LBs available.

  • JeffN

    Cole could play DE on running downs. Maybe NT idk. Still tho he is pretty average. He sure isn’t going to eat up 2 blockers consistently. They also have Johny Jolly to rotate with Picket. I would go with Jolly before Cole and get another NT out of the draft if you can find one in the 2009 draft.

  • Mel e Mel

    The Vikings are trading for Sage Rosenfels HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHA:-) This guy looked ok throwing to all world Andre Johnson and a Pro Bowl TE wait till he gets a load of Robert Ferguson.

  • Larry

    I’m tinkin dat our 1st two FAs picked should be Nick Collins and Greg Jennings………….!

  • iccyfan

    “The Vikings are trading for Sage Rosenfels”

    I’m torn on this one; as a proud Iowa State alum, I’ve always hoped Rosefels would get a legitimate shot to play somewhere. I just don’t want it to be Minnesota! Here’s hoping that trade runs into some snags, as I’m of the opinion the guy can play at a level higher than the “game manager” status John Clayton has assigned him.

  • Roy Jamison

    Actually Sage has nice stats. I don’t know if that translates into anything. I’d think he would be an upgrade over Jackson. They were probably hoping McNabb would fly the coup. The Eagles are entering that familiar territory of dealing with an above average qb who probably has a couple of good years left before the ultimate decline starts. Now the Packers gotta hope their two young backups can make a leap of improvement because…just like other teams…when the starter goes down…unless you were the New England Patriots…the season is over. I’m hoping Flynn takes another step. I’m hoping Brohm takes the first step.