LOL, thanks D.A.
here’s number 9
Would love to live inside a giant block of ice, located in the north pole, with holes open to face that winds gusting up to 100 mph blow thru.

Sorry – that might be perceived as a bit out of line. I think the story actually was that his mother said that when he told her he was going to Green Bay, but my memory sucks.

Are we trying to make excuses for why TT can’t get free agents? Give me a break fellas!!

Not don’t get me wrong, all other things equal and GB is in trouble. If you were in your 20′s and 30′s with fame and millions in the bank where would you like to be?

But things are not always equal. People are looking for money, a chance to start, money, winning, coaches they respect, money and MONEY! TT is cheap-that is why we don’t get free agents.

If you pay them they will come.

Larry, with all due respect, you are retarded. How’s that for class?

Do my homework? On what? How old are you dude?

This is the NFL-every team is “Win at all Costs”. The difference is that a lot of teams, including GB, think the best way to win is to bring in players with good characters. Even teams like the Cowboys are realizing that you can’t just bring in talent if they are all a bunch of attention seeking a-holes. But please don’t pretend that GB’s players are somehow unique to the NFL. The team is, but the players are all the same. And most of them would rather be in Miami/San Diego/etc most of the time IF you were only talking night life. But depending on many other factors they may like it in GB…but in December don’t try to pretend they wish they were somewhere else at times.

Larry, name an all pro that we bounced for character problems not related to contract disputes? Waiting…waiting….right, there is none. And that is very separate from character issues. Actually now that I mention it, did we cut lofton after he got elevator head? Maybe…

What Super Bowl winning team do you think fans hung there head at? Answer: none. So quit telling me you’d rather lose than win. Give me a break. If that is true you are the shittiest Packer fan I have ever conversed with. Seroiusly.

You answered your own question, DUDE! Not gonna, but I could give you 11 since St. Vincent and (3) were All-Pro, albeit not when they were booted out. Further, there are teams with character who hire coachs with character. You can name ‘em yourself. I’ll submit the teams are in it to make money, not win at all costs. Its some fans who want to win at all costs.

Oh, didnt see the last post; the ending is -the effort to win is, or words to that effect. Those who didnt live the history must look it up, I suggest you crack open a book once in a while. Besides its the first part of the quote that you screwed up, not the ending that matters.

Yeah, the name-calling is really douchebagious. Especially when he shows up what, 2 weeks ago or less, and starts trashing someone like Larry who’s been posting here forevah. Maybe little tt can read that book “How to disagree with someone without being a douchebag”, I think it was written by Chuck Norris.

James Lofton was an all pro who was booted for trumped up allegations….as for Taylor. when he won the MVP it was outside linebacker. That is a chance I would love to see them take.

You guys shouldn’t argue with this guy that calls himself The Truth. He is behind on all the conversations we have been talking about for the last year, calls us childish names, and acts like he is 16 years old. Do we really need that? Just ignore him, he doesn’t have the report coming on here like 2 weeks ago (like Reid said) and trashing all the Packernet veterans like he is. Besides he probably belongs to some sort of extremist movement or maybe he is Jon. You really want to interact with a guy like that? Who knows, but if you don’t add fuel to the fire he will go away. Please just ignore this guy.

We get it – you don’t like the midwest. Fortunately, TT isn’t trying to sign you to play DE in our new 3-4 defense!!!

I won’t pretend to know what motivates NFL players, but I’d wager the opportunity to gain playing time and participate on a playoff team probably trumps potential nightlife (or climate). If it doesn’t, the player probably doesn’t have his head in the right place and wouldn’t contribute anyway.

I don’t get the gnashing of teeth over having failed to sign one of the available FA D – Linemen thus far. I don’t think anybody believes Haynesworth or Canty were worth the money they were guaranteed, and I’d never even heard of Kevin Burnett before this offseason! Igor Olshansky is a career underachiever; who wants a piece of that? I’m confident the pieces will fall into place thru a combination of existing players, draft and lower-priced FA’s (maybe Tank Johnson at a discount).

If we were one piece away from serious title competition and there was strong reason to believe Canty was that piece . . . I’d say go for it even at his price.

We’re not there.

This team needs serious building on both sides of the line, youth at cornerback and a playmaking linebacker at a minimum. Get that in place, and maybe we can look at a marquee FA or two to put us over the top. In short, I think this team needs to get good before we worry about getting great. I’m not sure Ted is the guy to take us there, but I don’t see us making a leap from 6-10 to Super Bowl contention next year.

I do think Olshansky would have been an upgrade on our line, but that isn’t saying much. Tank just needs to be in a state with liberal firearms laws – and no bars. Maybe Wisconsin isn’t the best place for him.

And Larry, don’t give that “good character guys” B.S. There are plenty of teams out there that have high character guys: Gaints, Steelers, Patriots and Colts to name a few, that are winners with high character guys.

The only difference is that their football players are better than ours…not their character.

Thanks Matt, glad you agree with me on the character issue.

Pete – I certainly would be excited if Jason Taylor were to become a Packer but I don’t see him as Option A either. He was reportedly cut by the ‘Skins because he wouldn’t participate in off-season workouts. He’s not entertaining any suitors for a month as he weighs his options, including an acting career. If football is still on the front burner for him, he’s got the flame turned down to 5!

My Tank Johnson comment was tongue in cheek, as I don’t even know where he’d fit into a 3-4 set. Even so, he’s only 26 or 27 and I’m pretty certain he behaved himself in Dallas; it would appear that he learned from his youthful indiscretions…

Two years ago, the Pack carried 9 D-Linemen on the final roster as TT thought they had too much quality to cut and nobody would offer a reasonable trade. Last year he traded Corey Williams in what I always felt was again a “numbers game”. We fans don’t know roster numbers for every NFL team, but it’s Ted’s job and I hope he’s identified potential acquisitions from teams which are “over-stocked”. I’m with Legat – optimistic that it’ll get done and glad we’re not throwing money around like the Redskins, Chargers & Cowboys…

Parcells made the right call on Jason “Dancing with the Stars” Taylor. Jason Taylor playing in Green Bay would be as successful as Jim Taylor playing in New Orleans.

182 posts on this entry and they mind as well all read the same ‘we have character in green bay, yay us’

you guys jump on little tt but i have to agree that being proud of an 8-8 team because they have fewer arrests just baffles me.

i mean, after we lose a game, do you say to yourself, as you crack your miller lite, “well, at least AJ Hawk is still ugly.”

i tried to start a thread discussing the executive committe, the future collective bargaining agreement, etc. ignored. too much to chew there, i guess. let’s discuss the stats of the lombardi era some more…

snyz, I don’t think anyone can be proud of an 8-8 team. GB is a unique market where people will support the team no matter the record…much like Cubs fans. As far as the CBA, yeah I have brought it up myself. Hopefully, some sort of the cap is retained or teams like GB will be at a big disadvantage.
But, sports is a business. Where are all the big bucks? In LA or NY or Dallas. What big company exists in GB to buy the luxury suites they will be selling in Dallas? Or the luxury suites in the new Yankee stadium for that matter? The notion of no single owner for a franchise is a blessing and a curse. Before uncle Bob Harlan, the Packers simply stunk for a long long time. Bob had a vision, much like a single owner would. He ran the show much like Clint William Murchison, Jr. He let Wolf run his part of the puzzle, and Holmgren was allowed to run his part. The common thread was they all were dedicated to winning. Murchison let Tex Schramm run the show in Dallas and Schramm let Landry be successful. Those are proven models of running a football business. TT has a little bit different set of circumstances to deal with than Wolf. While I don’t question his dedication to winning, I wonder if his ineffective communication skills will ultimately be his downfall.

This will be fun.

Assuming Curry, Crabtree, Stafford, Jason Smith and Eugene Monroe are gone who do people think would be a good draft choice? My top 2 are orakpo and raji but there is a good chance they are both gone also.

If all of the above are gone who do you take? Me…Andre Smith. Ok, monkeys throw the banana. He is one of those high risk/reward players with questionable attitude. Oh, and he likely will be by far the most talented player available and would start immedietely. Don’t worry, it will be a cold day in hell before TT takes him. For the record, he will have a better career than whoever the packers take (if it is not one of the top 7 above).

Who do you think the Pack will take if none of the first 7 are available? I will go with Clay Matthews. Yes that’s right, the highest rated white player left on their board. Football family. Great character. Mediocre talent at best.

Roy, after reading “all of the above” I sure would not be proud of 8-8, but would consider it an improvement over the 6-10 even if a great disappointment. However, I still would be proud of the Green Bay Packers. The TTs and the MMs come and go, so they really dont matter, but the record from year to year doesnt put me on a roller coaster either like some of the young pups.

By the way Al, I know you can do better than the current poll question. I do hate TT, but that is not the right choice to the question. ARod is the QB and this is old news. You can come up with something more thought provoking than that

It appears that TT, MM are sticking to their plan of trying to build through the draft/find a diamond in the rough. If after last season, they still think they can stand pat and not go out and make some Free AGency moves then they are incompetent. I mean it is blatantly obvious that they are lost in the sauce. ANyone who paid $85.00 to hear TT speak about their plan for the future of the Packers and are in agreement with them, well then you are part of the problem not part of the solution. It sickens me to watch this arrogant asshole be in charge of the Pack. Where in the %^$## is Murphy in all of this? Who put these clowns in charge and why aren’t they doing anything about the apathy of TT. If he thinks he is gonna make a serious run for the SB with this team he is nuts…I have been patiently waiting, giving him every chance to allow his plan to develop. I’m sorry but his time is up. If at the end of the year, they make it to the playoffs and make a serios run for the SB then I will eat crow. But. I seriously doubt it…

Larry, I think we need to watch that movie “Hud” for the answer.

You old fuckers need to get over this “I’m proud shit.” Or I would rather lose with character than to win with thugs. One can be a fan and be pissed off at the team, management, players, etc. I have been passionate about the Pack since I can remember and the worst years were the 70′s and 80′s when we would say “We’ll get ‘em next year.” Never missed a game, never strayed.

The character comes from the top down. Randy Moss in an undisciplined system like Oakland sucks, under the expectations of a class team like the Patriots (whom I hate by the way), he is productive and character is not an issue. It is from the top down how your players act…for the most part…also, many people call me an old fucker too….but they are in their 20′s.

This “what is a packer fan” discussion really needs to stop. I will watch 16 games a year every year. I have season tickets starting this year and although I live too far away to get to every one, I will be at several. MY LOVE IS FOR THE TEAM, NOT MANAGMENT. Hell, I am not in love with that many of the players on this team, but I love the TEAM. Fuck the management. And fuck you Larry if you are too stupid too understand the difference. I have friends who are always optimistic (until someone gets fired/trades/cut, then hindsight is always 20/20), and we can have passionate, meaningful discussions about the team. But you assholes who think criticism means someone is not a fan…hell I don’t even think it is an age thing. I know plenty of people in their 50′s and 60′s who are fed up with TT’s BS…it is more of a intelligence thing.

I love America but hate Barack Obamas decisions and views and I love the Packers and hate TT’s decisons and views…….he will be gone in a year or 2