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Favre, Cutler have one thing in common

One has to look hard at the problems the Denver Broncos are having with star quarterback Jay Cutler and wonder if the agent isn’t the problem. The agent, Bus Cook, was also the agent of the greatest soap opera in NFL history last year when he led the Brett Favre comeback. Seems like making everybody feel sorry for your client is a Cook specialty. Like a little kitten, Cook’s clients need to be petted, hugged and kissed. They need to feel the love, but this is the NFL, the Not For Love league.

If Cook couldn’t get the Packers to give in to Brett Favre, what exactly does he expect from playing the same “woe is me” game with Cutler? Obviously now it comes down to more money. Cook doesn’t have a stable of clients like some agents, and while he made a ton off of Favre, he still needs to feed the family. My guess is this game of emotion comes down to more money. One more big bonus for Cook and an extension in Denver for Cutler.

Bottom line is it was clear early on last year that Cook was pushing Favre to come back thinking he could get a trade to a team Favre wanted, in the end all Cook got was a trade to “Siberia,” and those are Favre’s words, not mine. If I’m Favre, I’d have to be wondering am I mad at the wrong guys?

I was glad to hear Packers’ president Mark Murphy say the Packers were still committed to retiring Favre’s number and it will just be a matter of time. In other words, the ball is in Favre’s court. I hope Favre doesn’t wait until Ted Thompson is gone because I think that will be a long time and that is not right to the fans who where down with Favre from the get-go.

Bus Cook needs some love. How can we help?

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JeffN

Spoken like a truely upset man.

It’s how sports are. You win you loose. You gotta be able to handle both.

So after Miami ends up being 6-10 next year I suppose what you say now wouldn’t matter.

The offensive draft picks have been a lot higher than the defensive draft picks. Defense is coming, and yes you have to be patient.
Monty

Miami 6-10? JeffN what are you smoking please send me some I wanta see dancing elephants too….All Mickey and Donald need to do this year is win. Win and its 2007 again. I am with the others as to why we are upset with Thompson (well Im upset too because unlike Denver and Elway who went out and got better talent for Elway in his fading years to win 2 SB, Tightwad Teddy just let Farve flip in the wind but thats another story) because we are not winning. Last year was the year “the train left the station” and it was a train wreck. I love that video clip of Donald (that would be Fat Mike to all you Thompson supporters) throwing down his clipboard after they had lost like their 4th close game. I remember watching the Carolina game and it was right at the end and we were on the 1 yard line and it was 2nd down, so Donald calls a play to I think it was Kuhn the FB and he gets stuffed, so what does Donald call again, same damn play. The offense was on the 1 yard line and couldnt even punch it end, we have to settle for a FG and then Carolina hits Steve Smith and their back punches it in from like the 3 yard line or so. We lost the Carolina game because our short yardage game sucks. Zone Blocking the back almost has to be like 5 yards deep to hit the hole. Then in the second Queens game, what does Donald do at the end when Peterson scored the go ahead touchdown, he calls for a review of the play to see if Peterson when out on like the 6 inch line. His challenge was lost and he loses a time out which could have been used to get us closer for a Crosby winning field goal. Speaking of the O-line, they were terrible that day. Our defense is terrible, so what does Thompson do during FA? sign a clown safety from Pittsburgh, A clown safety with a big mouth, yeah he knows the 3-4 Capers runs, but if he is so good why isnt he still in Pittsburgh? Because Pittsburgh got tired of his clown mouth and him getting beat. Uh Mickey (Thompson) your defense couldnt stop the run last year, more teams are looking to run the ball, you need better guys then Montgomery and Hunter to stop those teams. We need upgrades on the D-line (since you traded away CWilliams who had 7 sacks and played the inside run very well and your boy Harrell has been a train wreck) and so calling up Canby and saying hey come on out to GB lets talk give us a pee sample then we can talk money when you knew already what the Giants were offering is no way to upgrade your D-Line. Yup Vince Lombari and Donald Duck(Fat Mike) were right, football games are won and lost in the trenches. All we have is a bunch of Mexican ditch diggers in our trenches. Cliffton and Tauchser are on the way out and who do we have in the wings. Now rumor has it that Mickey is interested in Levi Jones from the Bengals if they cut him, that would be an upgrade to anything we have. So come on Mickey and Donald, lead us to the promise land. We just want to win like your predecessors!!!
Roy Jamison

Jeffn, I won’t give Parcells credit for that first winning year, because that was Cameron’s team. I will never give anyone credit for their first year because it is always someone else’s fault. They get a pass. Let’s face it, if we were to rate the GMs in the league, TT would be in the middle of the bunch. BTW, let’s not give Ron Wolf and Mike Holmgren credit for their first 9-7 year either. Even if TT “guides” the Pack to 10-6 next year that would make his overall record only slightly better than 8 wins a year. That puts him in a class with GM Bart Starr. After 4 years of TT the best pieces of that O-line were Tauscher and Clifton. I think I’m gonna give Parcells no credit this year when they go at least 10-6. I won’t give him credit for the Super Bowls he went to either. Yeah, that oughta piss Bill off big time!
I wonder who will be in the Super Bowl first, the Pack or Dolphins? hmmmm
JeffN

I think the Pack will be in the super bowl within the next 3 years. I have been saying that on here for a while, and you guys can hold me to that.
Mel e Mel

A little math lesson Cam Cameron was 1-15 Tony Sporano under Parcells was 10-6
Players Added Joey Porter 20 Sacks Chad Pennington and draft choices that helped the team plus a radical new formation. Cam should go back to coaching Hoosier Football
Matt Hayton

JeffN-

Sorry sir you are wrong…I just copied a link to the NFL’s web site: pagehttp://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2008-REG&split=Overall

which states total Points for and Points against…that number is 419…you need to subtract 50 points for Defense and Special Teams scores…

I would agree with this much…our front 7 is the number one area that needs to be addressed to fix this team. I would say number 2 is the O-Line. If we get those 2 things done, AR will win alot of games.
Matt Hayton

oops:
http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=div&season=2008-REG&split=Overall
Matt Hayton

Larry-

You are right, in that I cited AR as a problem, but also made a disclaimer. My point was just that AR is a different caliber of QB than Favre, so because of that, he needs a better supporting cast to succeed.

I was pissed last year that they dumped Favre for AR, but honestly, I’m over that and now I’m pissed that they aren’t standing idle and not giving him an excellent supporting cast.

Favre isn’t going to help this team win next year…AR is at the helm, it’s just really frustrating that the O-Line and D-Lines are worse now than 5 years ago. TT knew then that he needed to plan for Favre’s departure. Which means, build a team that can run and stop the run and he has failed to do neither and he’s in his 5th year at the helm.
Matt Hayton

Larry,

also as far as your comment about not liking this team…I find that to be offensive…and below the belt.

you must think I’m sick in the head if you take me for a nominal fan by now…

In my family, we have a saying: God, Family and the Green Bay Packers, except for on Sunday afternoon
Matt Hayton

JeffN -

It’s funny how you just ignored my question about 3rd and 3…not giving me an answer is still giving an answer. Your stats of 1200 and 1800 are misleading and you know it. Bottom line: When we need a first down, short yardage situation, late in the game, do you trust Grant and the O-Line to get it done?
Matt Hayton

Larry sorry for the typos meant to say “are standing idle” and “has failed to do either”
JeffN

The column you are refering to is total offensive points. Defense is not included.

I suppose if you keep telling yourself that the numbers 1200 and 1800 mean something different than what they are you will believe yourself. A big whatever to that.

3rd and short no problem.
Boothie

Show me a team that doesn’t have weaknesses. The best two that I can think of are Pittsburgh and the Patriots. Both of them do it (mostly) by the Draft. Belicheat got lucky picking up Brady as late as he did. Even then, he didn’t give Brady the ball. Without Brady, they aren’t nearly as powerful. The Steelers seldom get involved in the Free Agency market.

That’s what Thompson’s trying to do. There was a study done about huge swings in the win/loss records. It happens, but very infrequently. When you usually see a jump it’s usually on a team that has been picking in the early part of the rounds for several years. In general, the Packers have been picking toward the END of the rounds. That makes it much harder to keep your team at the top. It’s deliberate.

I understand and share the frustration. We want to win and we think that taking a dip into Free Agency and pulling out a “plum” will fill a need and we can’t see why Thompson is too obstinate or stupid to see it. He’s done it, but has been very picky: Woodson, Pickett & Chiller. I seem to remember some “boo-birds” when he signed Pickett. With Woodson, the signing brought apprehension. Chiller has proven to be a dependable LB.

Thompson has been remaking the team through the draft and I believe that the depth IS better. Not as good as I’d like. But Better. The reason we went 13-3 was due to a lack of injuries and a quarterback who, for a time, played lights out football.

I believe that Rodgers will get better. He is a different type of QB than Brett was. Thank God… I don’t know if my heart could take yet another Cardiac Pack.

If I’m at 3rd and 3, I can’t think of any team that I would trust to be able to get it done consistently. Are the Packers worse than most? I don’t know. Right now, I think that we have (almost) universal agreement that:

1) The Defensive Line/Liinebackers need the most help.
2) Offensive Line (i.e. Tackles) are next.
3) Cornerbacks.
4) Running Back.

Some of the players who have been drafted have not dominated like I hoped that they would have (e.g. they have disappointed):

1) Hawk
2) Lee (Cornerback)
3) Rouse (Safety)
4) Brohm – still early

Players who have fulfilled their promise include:

1) Aaron Rodgers (Still Improving)
2) Greg Jennings (Ditto)
3) Charles Woodson
4) Al Harris
5) Donald the Driver
6) Aaron Kampman – I seem to recall people questioning whether he was worth it…
7) Tramon Williams

Players who need to show that they have it (and are not a fluke) are:

1) Nick Collins
2) Atari Bigby
3) Darren Colledge
4) Jason Spitz
5) Ryan Grant
6) Findley – He could develop into quite a weapon.

Ya know, when I read about “Donald” and “Mickey”… I find that I just don’t find their arguments convincing. Calling people names is really pretty childish and doesn’t reflect well on the author.
Boothie

Thompson also looks at free agency as a risk / reward scenario. It’s not just the cost of the player. It’s how that signing will impact the other folks in the locker room. If Joe Blow is making more than me and I feel that I’m better than him… I will have resentment about it.
Matt Hayton

JeffN-

Break out a calculator you moron…
Here is the number of TOTAL points scored by the packers in every game last year:
24+48+16+21+24+27+34+16+27+37+29+31+21+16+17+31=419

But that is simple math…I wouldn’t expect you to get that if you think we have a running game!

Now don’t you feel stupid? Know you facts you idiot!
Matt Hayton

BTW – Go Badgers! Awesome win voer FSU tonight! The adreneline is still pumping!
Larry

Roy, snyz, Mark, paul, Monty, Lew, RayL, Maxaz1, Matt Hayton, Mel e Mel, Lew, Stamps, and Jeff; tt is the only one of you who gave a reason as to why he was a Packer fan and that was because everybody around him was. The question was not made sarcastically or in jest, why are you Packer fans as you claim? I don’t think cracks like, Albino, Donald/Mickey, ego trip, Twilight Zone, white sauce, emotionally unstable, psycologically ill, control freak, boobs, suck, WEAK SAUCE, and clown safety add much to the discussion and detract from the points you’re trying to make. Thats just a smattering of the diatribe that goes on here along with the foul language of course. I don’t care if you criticize, but why insult? I repeat, why are you still fans? The hope that MM/TT/MM will be gone soon just doesn’t cut it.
Matt Hayton

Fact:
Will Blackmon 2 punt returns for TD’s

Fact:
Nick Collins 3 picks for TD’s

Fact:
Charles Woodson 2 picks for TD’s

Fact:
Aaron Rouse 1 pick for TD

Total Non-Offensive TD’s: 8

419 – 56 = 363 OFFENSIVE POINTS

You can join Al, eating some crow dinner.

Reference:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/gnb/2008.htm
Larry

Oops, thanks Matt Hayton, I didn’t see “moron” and I think somebody called me “retarded”, nice.
Larry

Oh, yeah, “stupid” and “idiot” too; you guys just keep giving and giving.
Matt Hayton

Larry-

you and I are cut from a different cloth…I am a loyalist to the heart…but that doesn’t mean I cannot disagree vehemently, question, challenge to the greatest degree and not still want to be a fan. I suffered through the late 70s and early 80′s…first winning season I remember was with the Majik man. 8-10 years after suffering through losing seasons…so don’t give me crap about whether or not I am a fan or why.

Besides you yourself said that you are not fans of management or players but of the team…I am as well…but that doesn’t mean I need to be a yes man and be okay with how things are being handled over at 1265.

So let’s turn the tables…according to this philosophy about non-agreement: If the Packers suddenly cut AR, traded the next 3 years 1st round draft picks for Julius Peppers and went out and signed Orlando Pace to a $12 million dollar a year contract for the next 4 seasons…you would stop being a Packer fan? Because that is essentially the logic you are using here.
Matt Hayton

You’re right about the insults, Larry…I try to keep it clean but lose my cool every once in a while when someone doesn’t use their brain on here…it’s just frustrating, but I agree it degrades the topics of debate.
JeffN

You resort to and give into using insults because you are weak.
Larry

Matt Hayton’s first and second paragraphs above will stand, but the third doesn’t help your thesis regarding current mgmt. Remember, you did take about 400 words at 12:32 and 12:38 yesterday to say you didn’t like MM and TT. Perhaps you could enlighten me, then, as to what you do like about the Packers since you’ve been through this rebuilding thing before. Many of us have given our reasons as to why we’re fans and support the team win or lose, but others just blast away at about every move and non-move TT makes. Doesn’t make sense to me.
http://Orlando Mark

Larry, the bottom line for management is winning. For a very long time the Cards, Saints and Bucs were losing teams. They still had fans. Maybe some of them cared as much as we do but it had to be tough to watch pitiful teams losing year after year. I remember the Saint fans with bags over their heads. We had that from ’68 to when #4 got here. I don’t know if you got tired of winning but being disappointed the last game of the year wasn’t a SB victory. I really don’t know what your deal is. But for me I’d like to see my team win. I was very disappointed with everything that went on last year and I’m sorry but I don’t think our management did as good a job as you obviously do. It’s interesting to talk about why someone is a fan but it doesn’t matter much, either you are or you aren’t. For some it might be the uniform, for someone else maybe their father took them to County Stadium to watch a game who knows who cares. Challenging someones “fandom” is laughable. I always disliked the Cowboys, do you want to question my “antifandom”. What’s that got to do with our team winning and holding our management accountable if they don’t.
http://Orlando Mark

Larry, this board could just be about adulation for the current management and how happy we are to finally get rid of Lord Farve, would that make you happy?
http://Orlando Mark

I get it, questioning peoples fanhood is like Republicans questioning everyone Else’s patriotism when they disagreed with the Party line. It’s just an insulting form of intimidation. Good going Larry.
Pete H

What does “why are you a fan?” have to do with anything? I am a season tciket holding die hard fan, but even if I wasn’t, it doesn’t validate or invalidate an argument…especially criticism of a team. By that logic every analyst for every major network should carry no opinion on how a team is doing. Sometimes a view without blinders is the best remedy. Should only Lions fans have had an opinion about how good Millen was? That is a ridiculous notion. I live in Chicago and find myself quite capable of having reasonable discussions down here about the management of the Bears…and Packers. Just because I love it when the Bears blow doesn’t mean I can’t have a valid opinion about their handling of things. Whats funny is that some of you on here that blow this smoke about being too critical on TT…and patience, are the same ones who chirp about how bad the team was that Sherman left. So you can rip on the ones you don’t like, but not the ones you do. Besides, didn’t Sherman have a better record….much better…at this point in his tenure? Now I didn’t like Sherman, but all this patience crap is getting old. At what point do we get to judge the job the man is doing? If we are always going to be young, and always building through the draft, then the silly patience and building up to something argument can be used forever. Really, when can we judge his total body of work? 2 more years? 5? 10?
Larry

Looks like TT is playing the Safety slots like a virtuoso. Brings in Smith with 3/4 talent, holds on the 3.0 to Collins until he’s sure about Bigby’s health, and gets Williams and Jennings signed before needing to put the tag on Collins at around 6M, but would get a high draft in return. Smith can go Free or Strong; what a genius we have for a GM.
Larry

Al, JeffN, DA, and others, I think I’ve got it figured out. While we’re wearing our Green and Gold on Sundays, these gloom and doom guys are wearing the Orange.
JeffN

You guys can judge whatever you want. You can have whatever opinion you want. It seems however some people get offended when their opinion is challenged by an opposing view which is really kind of ridiculous because you should expect that.

Some of us are getting pretty sick of the language that is being used on here. It really takes away from talking about the Packers.

The other point I wanted to make here is that some of the people posting on here act like they are in a miserable marriage they don’t want to be in anymore, or they are sticking with a girl friend they can’t stand. As a fan if all you do is complain and be nasty and terrible why do you put yourself through that? I’m with Larry on this one. If you are so miserable being a fan why don’t you walk away. Football is supposed to be fun to watch and to talk about.
Lew

I really thought Packer fans were more respectful. Do you people actually think you are better fans because you are not critical of the management and I (we) are? That is insanity. You obviously agree with management which is fine, but how does that make you correct or better? Only time will tell and I hope we are successful next year, I just don’t see how.

JeffN, I am by no means “miserable” as a fan, I just want to win and am upset with how we are being run. What is wrong with that. Some people have gotten critical and profane but the biggest assholes on here are those that don’t respect others opinions. That is you JeffN, Larry, etc. Have some respect for others opinions.
JeffN

I have no problem with someone believeing something else. The exact thing that motivates to put things on this board are the fact that I believe something different than the majority other people who post. But I don’t get visicous and mad like some people do.

However what I observe misery in about 10 or so people who post on here. Not everybody.

I’m just questioning if people are so miserable and so upset why not walk away and not deal with all of that? I’m asking how can that be fun for you? I’m just honestly very curious.
Roy Jamison

JeffN, yes you do have a problem with people believing something else. You have shown it time and time again. There are several of us who have stated solid reasons why TT is only an “average” GM. He will have to pull a lot of rabbits out of hats to become better than average in this upcoming season. You, on the other hand have offered nothing more than excuses for mediocrity. As TT has said many times, he is looking for football players. He has found some. Obviously he has not found enough at this point. I am curious as to how you can ignore the obvious. But apparently if the Packers are 6-10 next year, that will be because Mike Sherman screwed everything up or some other excuse. I’d imagine there’s plenty of Packer fans willing to give TT a “pass” for one more year. How many more years are you willing to put up with losing?
JeffN

Roy, just because I disagree does not mean that I disrespect others opinions. I think your response is more to the tune of you can’t handle somone disagreeing with you.

All of the insults and distasteful language on this site is what shows disrespect for peoples opinions.

Unfortunatly the conversation once again has gone away from football and has turned into something else.

When the Pack is in the super bowl within the next 3 years all you guys are going to change your tune anyway.
Larry

13-3, 6-10, 10-6, 6-10, so what, I’m happy, you’re not – I support the team regardless, you don’t. You can’t separate the mgmt from the organization and say you support one and not the other, they are one in the same…! I just respect your opinion more when facts are stated than when people are called bone-heads, idiots, Donald and Mickey. I think this could be a really good draft for us, not that many holes to fill as I see it. Challenge me with substance, rather than emotion and temper.
Rocky70

Face it, trying to convince the ‘doom & gloomers’ that there are many reasons to feel optimistic in 2009 & beyond is like “pissing in the wind”.
No matter what logic one uses to help them see the whole picture they only see what they want to see. These are the same people who complain about their school, job, neighbors, parents, family, friends, & so on & so on. Everything in their lives is viewed negatively. They all end up as grumpy old people someday. -Sad but true.
http://Orlando Mark

Larry, we were happy to separate Lindy Infante and Mike Sherman from the organization, why not Thompson? Rocky, I’m fairly optimistic about next year. Unless #12 gets injured I predict 9-7, 10-6 and the playoffs. We might have done better with two free agent linemen but I like our coaches and we’re in a weak division. The Lions are the worst team in the NFL, the Bears are falling and the Vikes don’t have a QB. I expect some help in the draft and some of our young players to develop. Especially the O-line.
Larry

I agree Mark, I think you are right on all counts in your last post. I only agree with 2 of your prior 3 though, and I’ll let you guess which one because we really don’t want to go there. I hope you weren’t just being sarcastic at 11:25. I also hope you don’t change your mind because I agree with you. Some on this post would!
http://Orlando Mark

Larry, I’m not kidding. I’m worried about a backup QB and D-line but I always worry. I appreciate your post.
JeffN

Seperate what? Ted Thompson is the organization. Because he builds everyting that is the organization.
JeffN

Sadly I agree with Rocky. These doom and gloomers want to complain, they want to be miserable, they want everyone around them to be miserable, and they will at all costs pull everyone into the trap they are in. That is sad but it is what is going on here at Packernet.

I’ll talk to you guys after the this years draft. There is really nothing left here for now.

Al, I want to know. Are you going to clean this sight up? Or are you going to leave it the way it is? If you don’t want to post here you have my email.
Pete H

What the hell is the matter with you two? Not liking TT’s way of going about things is not “doom and gloom”. Good God its not just black and white. Get off of your pompous ass, we are better fans than you, high horse. You can BS all you want that you are not saying you are better, but your posts contradict. People can be highly irritated at a GM, with one winning season, without being “doom and gloom”. By that black and white logic, being critical of any move, any player that on the roster, any coaching move, is off limits. JeffN .. ….sadly? Cmon man, what kind of poor attempt at poetic diatribe was that. Pull everyone into the trap? Really? What the hell does that mean? You want Al to “clean this sight up”. Get over yourself. “There is really nothing left here now”. I have had some reasonable conversations with you, but that is ignorrant. Who do you guys think you are? Jon is not here anymore…that was “doom and gloom” Most of these guys are throwing opinions…with support I might add…out there, some of which I strongly agree with and some I vhamently oppose, but for you guys to go back and forth with your Waldorf and Dierdorff (see Wikipedia) routine is like listening to Pelosi talk (see wikipedia). I thought Sherman was pretty bad at being a GM, and yet, amazingly, I was able to behopefull and optimistic each year. I was pretty damn sure that Gregg was a god awful coach, and Randy Wright was just about as bad as it got, as well as every other Paul Ott Carruth piece of crap on those teams, and yet each year I was hopeful and optimistic. We all want TT to succeed, well most of us. We do not, however agree with the manner that he is going about it. Time will tell if we are right or he is, but the difference is that a GM has to prove his success…I do not have to prove my allegience…especially to you in order to get some validation for my opinion.
Rocky70

Typical post of a person stuck in neutral. Ranting & raving about none other than Paul Ott Carruth ??? Nancy Pelosi ??? Try talking for a change about 2009 & beyond. Your constant references to 5, 10 or more years ago adds very little if anything to “today’s” discussions.

If you are so open to supporting GB in 2009 then list what is good about the team going into 2009. – Can you do this ?? Please put the same effort you put in your ‘loooooong’ rants & raves.
http://Orlando Mark

JeffN, TT isn’t the organization by a long shot, he’s temporary. He had a bad off season last year and he has to do better. We’re lucky to be in a weak division, our overly young players will improve(particularly the O-line where Wahle, Rivera and Flanagan took years) and and we upgraded our coaches. So I’m optimistic. I don’t get the rest of your post. Pete, I agree, Sherman was left a good nucleus and never should have been GM, I wonder if JeffN thought he was the “organization” at the time.
Pete H

First of all I am pretty sure that a Pelosi reference is quite meaningful TODAY. Maybe it is beyond your intelligence scope. Second, Ott Carruth was used to reference the fact that I suuported the team through those awful times with hope and optimism. Third, if you had been here for more than the 3 days you have than you would know that I have come to the defense of many moves, players, etc. I have talked about the strengths of this team…including Aaron Rodgers, for which I have disagreed with some of those who don’t like TT. I have talked about TT making some real good picks that I questioned at the time, like Collins and Jennings. I have talked about Capers being a great move. I have also added my thoughts on what I would like them to addres in the draft and through FA, but haven’t. Do those qualify as being relevant today? Don’t think that you can just come on here, peek in on and post on one of Al’s columns and act like you know where everyone is coming from. Also 5 years ago is the beginning of TT’s regime, again probably relevant today. It is also not a question of being “open” to supporting them in ’09….what kind of useless statement is that? DUH. I am “open” to supporting them every year regardless of TT, Randy Wright, Reggie White or NANCY PELOSI. Tell me the Ghandi, what exactly have you “added” to todays discussions. Please inform me of you powerful insights that have shed so much light onto everyone. I do see that you are very good at repeating the “doom and gloom” quote that has been floating around here every time somebody isn’t singing Green Bay Packer Kumbaya. If you want to have discourse then lets have discourse, but you can’t just bash people for disagreeing with you, making “they’re trying to infect us”, and then ask Al to come to your rescue and “clean up the site”.
JeffN

PeteH, just for the record I was refering to some of the ridiculous language and the name calling. It’s pretty bad if you read all the posts. I just don’t want to participate in that because it’s gotten pretty bad.
Pete H

gotcha, my bad …..JeffN
Pete H

I don’t like the 6th grade mentallity that goes on here all too often either, but it goes on both sides of this particular debate. It also isn’t any more enlightening to the blog to label the title doom and gloom to a disagreeable post. Besides, it would be awfully boring to come here and only drool over the positives of this team. I am all for having any Packer talk, not all good, not all bad, some memory talk, some future talk…thats what sports are for.
Larry

Its unfortunate, perhaps, that the main issue on this thread is TT. We’re drifting further and further away from a discussion of who we would like at #9, or if we should even keep it if “our” guy isn’t available. Rather than all the “past” talk (I’m as guilty as anyone) we should be talking exclusively about the future. DE, OT, or NT? Problem is, of course, how the hell do we know whats there.

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Favre, Cutler have one thing in common