Things I think

I think the people bitching at me for bringing up Brett Favre are the ones who know I’m right and don’t want to hear it anymore. I don’t either, but Favre playing for the Vikings directly affects the Packers, unlike last year when Favre was in Siberia. Packers’ fans still wouldn’t stop talking about him and ripping Ted Thompson in the process, hence the moratorium on Brett Favre. Now that the storm has blown over, and I believe in my heart that Favre will stay retired rather than go through six months of pain just for the shot to beat the Packers twice, which is highly unlikely. So unless I’m wrong I’m putting a moratorium on myself regarding the waffle king. You do what you want.

I think the Packers are in serious need of a running back. The list of Ryan Grant, DeShawn Wynn, Brandon Jackson, Kregg Lumpkin and Tyrell Sutton do not exactly strike fear in the hearts of their opponents. Looks like Aaron Rodgers might be throwing 40 times a game this year.  I mean Grant is OK, but he needs to prove his worth this year or the Packers overpaid for him. Behind Grant, Lumpkin might be the best of the worst. Wynn and Jackson get hurt when the wind blows and Sutton wasn’t even drafted. The worse problem is there isn’t anybody out there to get. I hope Lumpkin’s injury last year wasn’t a career killer, as he is clearly the most talented of the backups.

I think I’m really getting sick of the talk about how hard it is to switch from a 43 defense to a 34 defense. The Packers have an abundance of linebackers to play the scheme and plenty of candidates to fill the three lineman positions. You have to wonder if this wasn’t the plan all along. The media is way off on this one.

I think it is going to be a uneventful June and July for the Green Bay Packers and I thank the good Lord for that after what we went through last year. What a joy it will be to just focus on the mini-camps and OTAs and not have to worry about that other stuff. I bet the players feel the same way and I truly believe the opposite of last year will occur – instead of a dark cloud to start the season, as Johnny Nash would say, “it’s gonna be a bright, bright, bright, sunshiny day.”

I think if the Packers do flop this year and Ted Thompson gets fired I would love to see The Big Show come back to Green Bay. Mike Holmgren has always understood the history and tradition of the Packers and returning them to glory for a second time might appeal to him. He could bring in Jon Gruden as head coach and it might be just like old times.

I think Nick Collins is an idiot. He is very replaceable and the Packers shouldn’t throw big money to a guy who is letting down his teammates by not being in town learning the new defense. Family issue my ass. Does he deserve a new contract? Maybe. But one good year out of four and you turn into T.O.? If it was up to me it would be so long and good riddance. With a new DC, everybody is starting fresh, which means Collins isn’t even guaranteed a starting job no matter what he did last year. Dom Capers will play the players who give him the best chance to succeed and with Collins staying at home he could very well be out of a job if he doesn’t wise up. Personally, I hope he holds out and the Packers replace him.

I think the Packers new practice field is going to be awesome. Finally we won’t have to look through a chain-link fence to watch the team at training camp. Can’t believe it took this long, but getting Lambeau redone was the top priority I guess.

I think I might not have much to say for a few weeks. Golf season is here. Baseball is boring. Minicamp isn’t until June 22. Take a break.

I think I’m going to have a cocktail now.

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  • http://Orlando Mark

    Tarkenton plays like a barking dog in 3 SB’s and Mel e Mel is quick to defend him. An aging #4 with no running game loses in OT to the league champs and you say it’s his fault. Packer_bob, he was old in the Seattle game but he had a running game. Some one mentioned not holding Elway responsible for his 3 SB losses but how many would he have won if his team rushed for 28 yards. Rocky you’re not using your head you’re using your gut when you come up with that poop. Well, there’s something in your gut that’s dead and it’s starting to stink. Maybe AR would have won that game, he had a lot of chances last year to win games late and didn’t. I hope he learned something from the ones we lost and I hope you learn to forgive #4 for the games he lost.

  • Rocky70

    The game was tied when BF threw the ill-advised pass. Everything before that point in the game is irrelevant. How BF played a week earlier had nothing to do with the pass. What BF’s numbers were for the game had nothing to do with the pass. Scoring 3 points in OT was all that was required. A HOF QB gets it done. BF didn’t. He blew it, again.

    The really sad aspect of BF’s career in GB is that GB had some good teams with a clear path to the SB only to be derailed by the sloppy play of the “great one.” 16 years & one lousy SB to show for it. Not a whole lot different from the 70′s & 80′s.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Rocky, he no longer had mobility at 38, neither did Elway. When you say a hall of fame QB would have pulled it out, maybe, Brady couldn’t. But by the end of ’07 he wasn’t up to that standard anyway. The Giant defensive coaches knew it especially in those conditions so they overplayed the run. We didn’t have the O-line or running attack to grind it out like they did. Give the Giants credit and give up the hate.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    The GB teams that had a chance at a SB in the Favre era only had a chance because of Brett Favre, not in spite of. Every HOF quarterback had a chance to “get it done” and has failed in their career. Dan Marino never won one super bowl, I guess he shouldn’t be in the HOF. By your logic, Brady blew the SB against the Giants because he had plenty of chances and didn’t get it done.

    Everything that came before the pass does have something to do with the game. Hypothetical: In a game this year, Rodgers turns it over three times, Grant fumbles twice, the defense gives up big plays but by a miracle, we have a chance to tie it with 3 seconds left but the kicker misses a 39 yarder and we lose. It’s all on the kicker because everything else before that doesn’t matter, right? He, and he alone, lost the game? According to you, I guess so.

    It’s a team game, Rocky. If you don’t get that, continue to foam at the mouth about Brett and make ridiculous comparisons about what happened during his tenure in GB vs the 70′s and 80′s.

    If you have a problem with how Favre has handled retirement, fine, but don’t try to change history. I guess you’d have rathered had those 16 years without him.

  • packer_bob

    Mark,

    My point about Favre is that he didn’t get a hell of alot older in one week. His line against Seattle looked pretty good, but we were able to run the ball on them and they didn’t have anywhere near the D of the Giants. I’m well aware that Favre was diminished in 07 against say his MVP years, but nevertheless if he doesn’t have the year he had I don’t think we ever see the NFC title game.

    But then again, if we’d just went with a different QB in the nineties we probably would have won 3 SB’s according to Rocky, so what do I know?

  • Rocky70

    @ packer_bob

    “But then again, if we’d just went with a different QB in the nineties we probably would have won 3 SB’s according to Rocky, so what do I know?”

    Good point. You may just be right.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    You see packer_bob, some anti-#4 guys are emotionally involved and it’s no good to try reason. Rocky says we only had one lousy Super bowl win while at the same time the Vikes have ZERO. And, Tarkenton of all people is brought up as someone to listen to. Talk about a guy who has an agenda, it’s like that guy from the XFL, He Hates Us. I should have remained silent but I guess on this I’m emotional as well. I’ll try to take my own advise to remember the positive stuff and move on.

  • Reid

    One player doesn’t win or lose games. However, a QB can contribute significantly to a WIN and contribute significantly to a LOSS. BF did both in so many ways.

  • Dan

    Maybe I have missed something.

    Anyone have any insight into what’s going on with our Pro Bowlers suddenly speaking out (or not speaking out in Kampman’s case)?

    Kampman supposedly looking terrible as a LB.
    Driver demanding his contract be reworked.
    Collins demanding a huge pay raise.

    I hadn’t heard anything about Kampman or Driver until today. Have they been pissed off for awhile or did something happen recently?

  • Roy Jamison

    Most times the best team wins, altho I may never get over that Denver Super Bowl game. 14 point favorites. Probably too much emphasis on that pass in the Giants playoff game. The Giants defense was way better than the Packers. And as I recall the Giants won all those games on the road, including the week before in Dallas.

  • Rocky70

    @ packer_bob & Mark

    Reread your own posts. You give credit to BF for the wins but you blame the losses on everyone but BF. (RBs, OL, Coaches)

    Typical Favre apologists. Hopefully, someday you’ll get past your ‘jock-smelling adoration’ for BF & understand the reality of a lost era for Packer football.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Rocky, it wasn’t a lost era for me. It was exciting and most of the time winning and best of all each game meant something. There was some fun with Starr’s offense, Majkowski’s big year and a couple of Devine’s teams. But 5 winning seasons in 25 years and never getting close to being competitive is what I call a lost era.

  • packer_bob

    If that’s your idea of a lost era, Rocky, you have no perspective on what that truly means. I’m not a Favre apologist–you’re right if you think he lost some games.

    He won so many more, and had us in contention for the playoffs every year he suited up. If you can’t recognize that, congratulations on your on blindness!

  • Pete H

    good posts Packer_bob and Mark. some people are just plain bitter. Lost era my ass. go watch those pieces of shit 80′s teams play with a bunch of guys that wouldn’t be backups in the rest of the league. To continually have a team good enough to where you get pissed at a guy who only brought home one championship and two Super Bowl trips means that was a pretty good era. Could it have been better? Sure, there were several could have beens….and those are always tough to swallow, but could have beens are a hell of a lot better than no F…ing ways! How did you like watching Infante and Gregg roll out those 4-12, 6-10 years? How was it watching that 4-12 massacre a few years ago, with a bunch of stiffs replacing all the injured because thats what this team was for a long long time. Ask Bengal, Falcons, Lions, Bills, Browns, Cardinals, Chiefs, Dolphins, Jets, Saints, Seahawks, Jaguars fans if they would take those 16 years instead of the ones they got. Favre is an ego freak who cost the team several games with idiot decisions……Favre is also a winner who suited up every week for over a decade and a half, made some ridiculous plays to win games, put some average teams on his shoulders and carried them to competitive seasons, and always always always kept you on the edge of your seat. Personally as a fan I’ll any 16 years like that….we aren’t going to get the Lombardi years again boys

  • Larry

    I am a Favre football player fan, but Favre the man not so much. And I think thats what irks the detractors the most. Regardless of all the records one has to think of what “could have been” with a different mind set. All the natural talent in the world but not the head to go with it. Pete H – thats one of the best posts I’ve ever seen on this blog………..!

  • Roy Jamison

    I’d agree the last 16 years are a super sized highlite film compared with those dreadful 70s and 80s years. However, I think we should never have to accept mediocre football operations in Green Bay. By that I mean why reinvent the wheel? Look at Bill Belichick or Bill Walsh and the success they had or are having. For those that would like review Belichick http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick. The curse of Green Bay involves continuity of solid leadership. Bob Harlan provided that. His predecessors in the 70s and 80s were as dreadful as the teams they put on the field.

  • Rocky70

    I’m not the least bit bitter about BF. -I just think it’s important to have a well rounded analysis of the Favre Fiasco instead of the “fluffy feel-good underwear stained” views from some of the posters here. —Florio on BF. -Read it & weep. -
    _____

    “Sure, he’s retired. But as long as he’s flirting with the Vikings about a possible return, he’s not really gone.

    His act is wearing thinner than Deuce McAllister waiting by the phone for an NFL team to call. Despite the many apologists within the jockocracy of ex-players, football fans are sick of Favre.

    And so he needs to go.

    Not just from the playing field. Plenty of football fans don’t want to see him on a football field or on television talking about football, despite the inherent allure of a partially untucked shirt, clip-on tie, three-day salt-and-cinnamon beard, and flip-flops.”

  • Rocky70

    @ Roy Jamison

    You should be careful who you give credit to. Harlan, Wolf, Holmgren, R. White, L. Butler, etc. etc. had nothing to do with the Pack’s resurgence in the 90′s. BF accomplished the resurgence all by himself. In fact, BF was the sole reason why Lambeau Field was also renovated. The Pack’s very existence is a result of BF.
    (FYI, this is a sarcastic comment)

  • Rocky70

    @ Mark
    You said: “Rocky, it wasn’t a lost era for me. It was exciting and most of the time winning and best of all each game meant something.”
    _____
    Obviously you are the type of person who’s content at beating up on the bad teams & losing to the good teams year after year. Most ‘real’ PackFans don’t accept this scenario. BF qb’ed 11 playoff teams in his 16 years as a Packer. One team won a SB. That’s less than 10%. It’s better than 0% but not by much.

    It’s like running marathon after marathon year after year. If you only finish one of the races, are you a world-class marathoner? -Not even close.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    You ignorant slut! Thanks for speaking for all the “real” Packer fans! Like I said you’d obviously rather play the last 16-17 years without him, but you can’t change history!

  • packer_bob

    Marothoner? That is the most pure example of a completely stupid analogy I’ve ever heard! It takes me one to two posts to even respond to this level of stupidity!

    I won’t fall victim again—keep both hands on your dribble cup and enjoy those 70′s and 80′s videos! Particulary, that one playoff game you treasure so much! Hasta!

  • packer_bob

    You see–when a complete tennis player like Borg has to face a great back line player like Connors as well as the serve and volley game of a McEnroe, Jackie Stewart calls it DRAFTING!

    And then they all have to run a marathon, which is why I brought it up.

  • packer_bob

    And I saw Larry Bird miss more than one three pointer, so he sucks too. His marathon time was particularly slow!

  • packer_bob

    Yeah, I’ve been drinking—SO WHAT!

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    I’m sorry for calling you an ingnorant slut when it’s becoming more and more clear to me that you don’t have a vagina (yet, although surgery probably offers you at least a little hope.)

    It was completely uncalled for on my part, and I hope you will accept this most heartfelt apology.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I found that I went from enjoying the wins in the 70′s and 80′s to moaning about loses in the 90′s. In some strange way, I guess I enjoyed the 70′s and 80′s more. It’s a little more fun to win obviously but there’s something about enjoying each win more, when there’s less of them.

  • packer_bob

    That’s what’s known as the transition from irrelevancy to relevency. If you don’t believe me, look it up.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Packer_bob don’t bite on Rocky’s appeal to your emotional level. DA, maybe you’d be more comfortable as a Lions fan, they haven’t been very good for a very long time and every victory is probably savored twice as much as one of ours. Find a Lions fan, if you can, and ask him how much fun it was to win that last game. I forget when that was but I bet the memory of it has carried him or her for quite a long time. Sorry to pick on you DA, but I just thought your comment was funny and I wanted to share some of the humor.

  • Pete H

    Hey Rocky, take you and your real Packer fans and go root for one of those almost 1/2 of the league that has NEVER won a title! I believe that is ZERO percent drillrod…..Take your “real” fans and go have a circle jerk with a Bellichek poster…or maybe Brady with his now famous hands on his head “I can’t believe it” pose. Beating up on the bad teams? I do believe that Steve Young’s 49ers beat GB exactly ONCE in a game that was handed over by refs. You want to pin every “lost season” on Favre, I’ll give you that he had a hand in them, but I can also name many other factors in every one of those final losses.
    First three years: Aikman, Irvin and Smith
    Denver: Terrell Davis
    S.F. again Rice fumble
    Atlanta: How about a challenge there Sherman
    Philly: they punted, and how about 4th and 26?
    Minn.: down 17-0 before you could blink
    Giants: Bush..fall on the damn ball: Martin catch the damn ball: 17 rushing yards: Plaxico HOFer for a day

    There is plenty of angst to go around in all those “lost years” guess what though I’ll remember those long after the already forgotten about 28-3 drubbings that were constantly laid upon this team in the Gregg, Infante years….and even many of the Starr 8-8 seasons…though there were some memorable ones there too. They were memorable because that team could beat anyone on a given day, just like any Favre team. Rocky, your analysis is just as lame as those who pin last year on Rodgers not being able to take his team down and win it in the end…even though he did it several times. He just left more than three seconds on the clock for his special teams and defense to fold up shop.

  • packer_bob

    I concur. Well put, sir.

  • gn

    still think collins is a liar?

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