Some good, some bad at OTAs

Organized Team Activities are under way for the Green Bay Packers and after the first week there was plenty to talk about. Some of it good news and some of it bad news.

The Good:  Quarterback Aaron Rodgers’ leadership is showing more and more and this now is clearly his team. With Rodgers coming off a superb season in which he became only the second quarterback in NFL history to throw for over 4,000 yards in his first year as a starter and also threw 28 touchdowns to only 13 interceptions, the Packers are in good hands at the most pivotal position. Rodgers has been sharp and his deep ball may even be better than last year when he led the league in completions over 40 yards. The combination of him and wide receiver Greg Jennings could be every bit as explosive as the Tom Brady-Randy Moss combo in New England. If Rodgers puts 16 more games under his belt I believe the Packers will certainly return to the playoffs this season.

Defensive lineman Justin Harrell has been a bright spot both on and off the field. The much maligned, often injured lineman is running with the one’s in practice playing defensive end in the new 3-4 defense the Packers are instituting. Harrell has looked good and claims to be 100 percent healthy for the first time since the Packers drafted him with their number one pick in 2007. He has stepped up to the plate off the field has as well by facing his critics and not making excuses for his lack of production after being drafted so high (number 15 overall). Harrell wants to prove to the world he is not a bust and I think he could easily end up being a starter on opening day.

The aforementioned Jennings, who is a star in the making and is in the last year of his contract is not holding out and showing much more class than most players lately that are in his same shoes. Jennings knows his deal will get done and punishing his teammates by not showing up for OTAs is not his style, unlike a certain safety and receiver to be mentioned later. Just by showing up Jennings proves to the Packers what type of person he is and when the deal gets done he will be worth every penny.

The Bad:  In one of the weirdest situations I’ve ever seen wide receiver Donald Driver is crying for more money yet again. This has become pretty much a yearly occurrence and the Packers would be wise to draw the line this time. Driver probably has only one year left in Green Bay no matter what happens this year. The emergence of Jennings and young receivers like Jordy Nelson and James Jones and Driver’s advancing age make him expendable, especially if he thinks he’s worth $8-10 million per year. Driver probably knows the writing is on the wall and wants to get as much from the Packers this year knowing damn well he won’t be under contract next year. Driver has been a semi-class act during his career in Green Bay so the Packers might appease him, but they have no reason to do so.

Saftey Nick Collins also is also showing his selfish side and hurting his teammates by refusing to attend camp and learn the new defense. His job is supposed to be the “quarterback” of the defense and by not being here he is hurting not only himself but his team. I think the Packers should start grooming his replacement and not worry about him. He had one good year that I think was a fluke and if the Packers open the vault to him they will have a ton of dead money after he flops this year. The longer he stays away from camp the less money he is worth. The Packers have depth in the secondary with several guys who can play both corner and safety, so as far as Collins is concerned, it’s out of sight, out of mind. So long and good riddance.

Finally, what is up with Aaron Kampman? The media is pounding him and assuming that he doesn’t his like his role in the new defense and until he states otherwise that is what people are going to believe. I will give him credit for being here trying to learn the system. If he wanted to wait until he got into some meetings and practices and actually see what his role will be before talking publicly, then fine. A simple statement saying that would have been easy enough to release through the team. Now he just comes off as an immature girl giving the silent treatment. I think the Packers should be seriously shopping Kampman because the Packers have plenty of linebackers who can play the position. Brady Poppinga can play there no problem and with Jeremy Thompson opening eyes so far in camp, not to mention Clay Matthews, the Packers don’t need Kampman any longer. He’s been a good foot soldier but if any other team than the Vikings would have given him that offer sheet a few years ago I think the Packers might have let him go then.

There are a couple of other areas of concern like the offensive line but I think those issues will work themselves out as players get healthy and training camp unfolds. I do think at least one of the positions on the right side of the line will be manned by a rookie. I think Cliffy, Colledge and Spitz will work the left side and center positions come opening day. I just think T.J. Lang is going to get one of those right side spots.

So far I think the good outweighs the bad.

  • chris karlecke

    hey, i like the article for the most part but what about pass rush?! u did not fully think about that… sure jeremy is coming on in camp but aaron is still our best pass rusher besides cullen who cant stay healthy as of late… i would be worried about our pass rush if we let him go… i already read kampy looks stiff dropping more than 5 yards which is really scary but he also looks good pass rushing which is a crucial part of what we will need… i do like the idea of going younger and believe we have the talent at that posistion to do so but losing kampman would be scary! i almost believe the packers should keep him one more season while we all(packers players) grow in that system and we have another person more ready for that postion…. i addition during this last season maybe we keep kampman to rush and that is mostly it. i know jeremy and mathews and nick and hawk (who knows if these two can suceed in this system, probably one of two does) will be a nice lineup but this a make or break year for desmond bishop and beyond that i am not sure that anyone else is that great…. examples: poppinga so so although maybe this sytem helps and chillar not great and the 7th round rookie jones…
    lb will be very interesting to watch!!!
    and i heard they already are negotiaion with donald… hopefully they dont extend and just add some money as they surel have enough to shut him up for one more year….. i think next year james jones or nelson takes that spot just as rodgers took the flame : )
    oh the drama!
    who loses at the FB postion you think? korey who is a bit injury prone but a tt draft pick or john kuhn???????????

  • Larry

    Why not just use Kamp like we did KGB? No reason why he cant be a pass rush specialist if he cant work 1st and 2nd down. Dont know the stats, but Ive never heard anyone rave about his run defence anyway.

  • packer_bob

    So let me make sure I understand this: I’m supposed to count on Jeremy Thompson and Justin Harrell, or at least be pleased with their “progress” in OTA’s, but not be that worried about Collins (one good season, must have been a fluke) or Kampman, the stalwart of our defensive line the last several seasons?

    Am I missing something? Oh yeah, Poppinga and Mathews can play the position, no problem, I just haven’t seen them do it yet. I guess on paper we have a killer D already. Perhaps I overvalue actual accomplishment.

  • monkeon

    Cut Kampman
    Cut Driver

    Teach them rookies a lesson…

    BTW AROD the best 6-10 QB in the NFL

  • iccyfan

    Al – You’re being a little rash with this OTA report. We all wish Collins was in town learning the new D but I understand his position in this matter. He has leverage he may never have again, a legitimate “beef” with his contract and these workouts are optional. Giving him a high-level safety contract isn’t going to break the bank. As for Kampman, he’s there and I assume working as hard as he always does in preparation for his new role. He doesn’t need to talk to the media if he’s having some early difficulties with the transition. I don’t disagree with your take on DD but still hope they can work some arrangement out to keep him in GB. I share your optimism regarding Harrell and the young O-Line…

  • Roy Jamison

    Packer Bob, kudos for your evaluation of Al’s latest rant. Harrell is one stubbed toe from being on the DL for the season. Jeremy Thompson? A great practice player maybe? It’s waaaay too early to get very enthusiastic about anything till the rubber hits the road in August/September.

  • Jeff

    I’m guessing Dom Capers is bright enough to find a way to use Kampman. He’s the only guy on the team who has proven he can generate a pass rush. It would be very disappointing to see him let go and find out nobody else has the juice.

    (I can’t imagine TT letting Kampman go for nothing)

    DD is a semi-class act? A 7th rounder who ends up being a starter through thick and thin? He’s seeing the end of the road and pumping for what he can get. No shock there. Gotta be freaking Mother Theresa ’round here to get any credit. That said, I would agree that Driver is probably expendable at this point – especially if he pushes this too hard.

  • Lew

    Not sure what driver is doing, but it is way too acceptable on here to criticize people who want more money. If you outperform your pay, don’t you expect additional compensation in the form of a raise, a bonus, etc? I certainly do. And like I have said on here multiple times, no one EVER criticizes the team when they cut a player- what is the difference between the team not honoring a contract vs a player wanting more? None.

    Like I said, the Driver thing is weird. Although he has been nothing but class-ease up Al, Wow. And while I think we should offer Collins a new contract, I don’t think we should pay him like I think he is expecting. He is pretty average.

    As to Harrell- Anyone who says anything more than, “I’ll believe it when I see it” is absolutely delusional. I hope it works out but he has shown nothing. Zero. Other than the ability to always be hurt.

  • Roy Jamison

    Sorry I didn’t say anything about Driver. He’s as good as they get. Kept himself in shape so he could play longer than most. Does he deserve any extra bucket of cash? You bet. After this year, he’ll be among many, including Cliffy, that will be gone.
    Compare Driver…a guy that plays hurt…with some of the other guys who stub their toe and it’s whirlpool time for weeks.

  • Jeff

    I’m of two minds on this stuff, but I’ll play DA for a bit.

    There is a little difference between players pumping for more cash vs teams cutting players. One is renegotiating a contract in the middle; the other is simply walking away from the agreement and accepting whatever consequnces were negotiated as part of that agreement.

    Either party is free to break from the contract if willing. Players may be guaranteed money but generally cannot play for somebody else during their contract term. I’m not saying the consequnces are always equal, but that’s the nature of an employment contract. The point is – either party can accept the agreed upon conditions and break away.

    Renegotiation is a little different. One side feels the agreement is no longer equitable and wants it revised. This is bound to get a little ugly no matter which side is seeking the change because the immediate statement is that the other side is being unfair. Pesonally, I think DD’s and NC’s contracts are more than equitable given their situations, but it’s hard to fault them for trying to get as much as they can.

    On the flip side, it’s also hard to fault the team for trying to manage their finances well.

  • Jeff

    Roy – my first post was generally meant as a reply to Al’s statements. Sorry for the lack of specificity.

  • Roy Jamison

    Upon further review, didn’t realize Driver had his deal reworked only a couple of years ago. So, this really doesn’t make sense to me now either. That said, I think I’d still throw him a bone for this year with the understanding this is probably the end of the line in Green Bay. Jennings is only making a half a million…can’t believe I just typed only…but that’s cheap in quality receiver pay.

  • cdk4205

    My two cents – Collins did a fine job last year – he deserves the $3.0 million he is scheduled to make this year and if he learns the new position should be in line for a similar extension (but he’s not here and it took 4 years to finally get where he is – bigger bucks don’t seem warranted yet). Driver is starting to get up in years, but he’s never been a speed burner so will have a couple years left. He may deserve an extension, but not at his current pay level (give him credit for trying, but get in camp – $7 or $8 million a year seems fair and if he stays healthy and productive he’ll get similar $$’s – at his age they won’t and shouldn’t guarantee much more $$’s). Kamp was one of the few on the front seven that didn’t get hurt and played hard all year. He’s in camp and learning, give him a few weeks – if he doesn’t want to switch to the 3-4 or feels he is ill-suited, trade him to an AFC 4-3 team where he can be comfortable. I think Greene and Capers will make him a Harrison style superstar – but if he doesn’t think so he will be the first to know. Jennings will get a Driver like offer for more years – $7 million per for 5 years or so and he should take it.

    It appears this draft class and the holdovers have made progress – I’m looking forward to a year where 10-6 is more likely than 6-10 again. If Cutler falls on his face (a distinct possibility) and Jackson is MN QB, should be a division title for GB. Detroit will be better (win three games) but still not good enough. Gonna take good coaching to get it through, but I don’t believe the naysayers – MM and DC should mesh well and the talent TT has provided has improved each year (despite Harrell injuries and no-win Favre situation).

  • donavon

    thanks for the OTA update A.J. with the safties being so important in this new defense, collings at least needs to have his brain there to absorb some of the instalation process.

  • Pete H

    this place kills me. The same people who grumbled about Grant holding out and not having done it long enough are the same people who have grumbled about Driver having done it too long. So what is the correct time to want more money? You could say to wait til the contract is up. which I would agree with if mgmt didn’t cut people who were older and cap heavy. It works both ways. Trade Kampman? Replace him with what? The trough of crap that got mowed through all last year. As for Collins, he is also doing exactly what he should be doing. He struggled for 1 1/2 yrs, had a very solid but not spectacular ’07 and excelled last year. He has gotten better and better….pay him….safeties play a long time.

  • http://comcast Don L

    Pete, you must have a great memory to say that.

    Excuse me? …..I think Driver wantng more money every year is a little ridiculous. He is on the downside of his career and should be taking less money, not more.

  • donavon

    i would like to see collins get involved for the “brain” portion of the ota’s. sounds like the safties have a lot to do with defensive calls in the 3-4. his wonderlic was supposed to be pretty underwhelming coming out of college.
    also, it would be nice to see some responses that are not TWICE AS LONG as the artice.

  • Rocky70

    Not much going on here. How about a little classic humor ??

    Pinocchio, Snow White, and Superman are out for a stroll in town one day. As they walked, they come across a sign: “Beauty contest for the most beautiful woman in the world.”
    “I am entering!” said Snow White. After half an hour she comes out and they ask her, “Well, how’d ya do?” “First Place!” said Snow White.

    They continue walking and they see a sign: “Contest for the strongest man in the world.”
    “I’m entering,” says Superman. After half an hour, he returns and they ask him, “How did you make out?” “First Place,” answers Superman. “Did you ever doubt?”

    They continue walking when they see a sign: “Contest! Who is the greatest liar in the world?” Pinocchio enters.

    After half an hour he returns with tears in his eyes. “What happened?” they asked. “I finished 3rd, who in the hell are Brad Childress and Brett Favre?” asked Pinocchio.

  • jonnyfootballhero

    I apologize in advance if this has been brought up before, but if SanFran took Rodgers instead of A. Smith, with everything else being the same would Rodgers be the bust and Smith be a top 10 QB? Just wondering what you guys think?

  • http://Orlando Mark

    A knight met another at a crossing. I just had a strange encounter said the first. I saw two girls, when the pretty one opened her mouth out came pearls and jewels but when the ugly one tried to speak out came vomit and shit. That’s not strange said the second I’ve heard that fable before. No, said the first, the odd part was the name of the ugly one, Rocky something.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    P.S. Rocky’s jokes are brought to you by the A-Hole Put Down joke book. Subscribed to by more a-holes than any other. Rocky says ” I just can’t put it down”.

  • Larry

    Ah, our wonderful media at work again. I admit I’ve been taken in, jumped to conclusions, and made comments re players I shouldn’t have based on what I read. Latest, Driver, but I for one didn’t fall for that one. When I think back about the printed reports about Collins, Jennings, Pickett, Kampman, and now Driver I lose all respect for the spin doctors in the press, who seem adamant to cause problems where none exist. But, on the other hand, it seems like the sports writers are no different than they’re news brethren who want to create news rather than investigate and report same…………..won’t fall into the trap again!

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Point well taken, Mark. (from previous post) So, anyways guys………….. it’s time to see where we’d be in hindsight had things turned out in the preferred (?) way. It’s summer 2008, TT decides to welcome Favre back, AR is back-up once again. May be fair to assume that the Packers finish w/a record similar to the Jets (defense, O-line and special teams play limit outcome a bit). Let’s see where we are today, now. Favre has retired with a bad shoulder but hints he may come back for another year. Everyone waits. Meanwhile, AR’s contract has expired and he signed elsewhere as a F/A (possibly in our division). The draft has come and gone. Instead of the top rated DT, we’re picking around #16. We pick the best D player available (who ever that would have been, I’m not looking it up to see who was there for the Jets). We don’t have that 3rd (Favre trade) to trade, so we didn’t get Mathews. Packers announce that if Favre doesn’t return, the starting QB will be the winner between Brohm and Flynn this year. The thought around headquarters is that “we were close, maybe a player or two will get us back” so the coaches that were fired are still Packers. (for the most part) So, currently, we’d be sitting around waiting yet again to see if Favre plays another year (the current Viking situation). We’re minus AR, Raji, and Mathews but have added a good player on D. Of course, F/Agency might have went differently, then again, the Vikes might have signed AR……….

  • Jeff

    Why in the hell are you dredging this river bottom yet again? How many times do we have to sniff the same pile of shit? I don’t see anybody in here waving the Favre banner – what jump-started you and Rocky?

    Ach – what a steaming pile. Here’s the way I see it. Until Rodgers piles up a couple double-digit winning seasons and wins a couple playoff games, he’s just another guy. Until Raji and Matthews actually show some game performance, they’re just grapes on the vine. And while you’re wondering about the difference between Raji and the BPA at #16 or whatever, perhaps you can remind me of the draft positions for the current Packers sack leader, our probowl safety, our longtime LT, the best RT we’ve had in a long time, our starting Center and a certain wide-smiling wideout who has recently gotten an undeserved trashing in the press and on this blog.

    Here’s an interesting stat for you – on last year’s starting lineup, how many players were first round Packer picks? 3 – and 2 of those were linebackers on one of the worst front sevens in the NFL. Hell, the only draft pick in the last two years who made significant contributions was the freaking kicker. Forgive me if I don’t kiss every butt in sight that we got to pick 9th instead of 16th.

    What pick was Aaron Rodgers again?

  • packer_bob

    DA,

    Wish I had your window into alternate realities. Bottom line, it is impossible to know what would have happened last season nor where we would be at now had Favre played.

    Plus all of your points have the benefit of hindsight. I believe at the time, being one win short of a SB, the question should have been who gives us the best shot at getting there again?

    But management, having the same ability apparently as you to see all futures and pasts simultaneously, must have known Favre was one season away from a bum arm and that they could parlay that third round pick and a losing record into two future defensive hall of famers.

    I know they haven’t played a down yet but when you’re playing the omniscience game, why fuck around?

  • Matt Hayton

    Thoughts on AR:

    I just read that latest article where he pretty much owns up for not pulling out the late 4th quarter drives, last season…I like that in him…whether it was actually his fault or not, isn’t truly the issue. Seems like he’s big enough to admit when he’s wrong or makes a mistake. It takes a big man to take it on the chin like that and not make excuses…This kid is starting to earn my respect. Come on baby, lead us back tot he playoffs!

  • Jeff

    I like Aaron Rodgers. Absolutely. There were times last year that he even played with a little fire in him. If he stays healthy he’s going to be a very good QB for a long time. If they can put a team around him, he stands a chance of being great.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I took the facts from present and hind-sight, then mixed them with some speculation on my part to come up w/a parallel Packer universe had things been done in that way. I didn’t “proclaim” anything from hind-sight. The Jet’s record is what it was and so was the Packer’s. Favre’s situation is what it is. I guessed Raji wouldn’t fall to 16 and AR wouldn’t hang around to be a career back-up, same with projecting team records a little, etc., so I’m guilty of a little speculation and meshing facts together to project an alternative universe. Didn’t you like my universe??

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Whoooops………. It wasn’t my parallel universe actually, it was yours. (Those who’d rather have had Favre return to the Pack last year)

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Sorry Jeff, just responding to Rocky’s “classic humor”. Apparently he likes having fun at someone Else’s expense as much as I do.
    I was just pointing out to DA that #4 leaving didn’t upset me as much as others and might have some benefit. The 6-10 season could be a springboard to a better future. I know everything is up in the air at this point and I don’t expect us to be at our best this season. But I like the direction we’re taking.

  • packer_bob

    You were speculating on what our record would have been, where we would have picked in the draft, Rodgers future with the Packers, etc. IF Favre had played. TT didn’t take him back and he didn’t play with us, in case you missed it. So all that speculation is your alternate reality, not mine.

    You’re right about the fact that I would have rather had Favre last season–we’ll never know what have happened. But if you’d rather lose for draft picks, let’s do it again this year. A few more years of 6-10 and we’ll become the best team the league has ever seen!

  • zach

    Al…I have to say that I now agree with you on the Kampman issue.

  • Jeff

    Mark – someday I’ll learn to drop those non-specific pronoun references. By “you and Rocky”, I was meaning DA and Rocky.

    In your response to him, I figure turnabout is fair play.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    packer_bob, Jeff……………… You didn’t like my little write up. Maybe you guys could do one. How about one of those ” woulda, coulda, shoulda- crying in your spilled milk- if only” posts that are so rare and fun. Would you please finish it with a “but I’d be happy to eat crow if I’m wrong” sentence????

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Jeff, thanks.
    Packer_bob, it’s not just getting picks, it’s getting real good players. Lombardi’s teams were built on rotten teams with great draft picks. The way TT handled the D-line it was disappearing so we had change the D and the coaches. Also the 6-10 put some pressure on TT and I think he responded. #4 was so adept at backing off a defense that MM was over reliant on that and never developed the grind it out running game we needed in that championship. #12 at this stage can’t beat the pressure like #4 so I’m sure MM’s going to change the run game for the better. #4 would have won more games for us but the rest of the team wasn’t improving and if we’re honest he probably would have had the same arm trouble at the end of the year and #12 would have replaced him. That would have been a lot more fitting but what’s done is done.

  • packer_bob

    DA,

    How am I supposed to eat crow about being wrong about a hypothetical? My point was after the NFC championship game we should have been thinking about who gives us the best chance to stay at that level. The reality is we went a different direction and finished 7 wins off of 2007′s pace. So who has to eat crow? I know, I know, Favre wouldn’t have done any better, it wasn’t Rodgers fault, the D-sucked, etc. etc. etc. But we’ll never really know will we?

    Additionally, if we’re going to play hypothetical, perhaps if TT had communicated better with Favre and shown him any indication he wanted him as a cornerstone of a Super Bowl contending team (not scrapping interior of the line in 05, picking up Moss, maybe drafting say Greg Olsen instead of Harrell, being just a little bit active in free agency) we may have won it all in 2007, Favre could have gone out in a blaze of glory, and at the very least none of this divorce drama would have taken place.

    My larger point is that if (and at this point, that’s a big IF) last years flame-out leads to success via these draft picks, then great. But some on here want to act like going from 13-3 to 6-10 is either part of the plan or some great consolation prize. High draft picks by definition are a consolation prize but let’s not pretend that last season was anything but what it was: a massive letdown.

  • packer_bob

    Mark,

    You’re absolutely right, you don’t win without great players. I’m just not sure how many we have right now and won’t be until I see it on the field. Right now I’d count Driver, Jennings, Woodson and Kampman as the great players we have that have proven it over mutiple seasons but we have to have questions about the advancing age of Woodson and Driver and have no idea how effective Kampman is going to be in the new defense. I think Rodgers played great last season but I still have concerns about his ability to stand up to an NFL level pounding year in and year out so for me the jury’s still out.

    As far as the Lombardi era, were they great players or did Lombardi make them great?
    Would Bart Starr have been a HOF’er on any other team? We’ll never know but I just use him as one of a plethora of great players from that era who were not exactly anointed as great ones right out of the gate.

    That was a different era, when a great coach could impose his vision on a team with almost military discipline and the players would actually buy in. Yes, he had some horses as does any great team, but if the same players were coached by anybody else would they have achieved the same things? From listening to the players that were actually there and still speak of him with reverential awe, I’d say the answer would have to be no. The fact that he enacted a big turn around in his first season with largely the same players speaks to that fact.

    Not taking anything away from any of those great players, but no Lombardi, no dynasty in the 60′s.

  • Roy Jamison

    On a completely different topic…not that I don’t enjoy the musing about possibles and probables…I tip my hat to Herb Adderly and old vets lawsuit vs. the Players Union. How the union could cut vets out of their deals is criminal in my book.

    The settlement amount is close to the $28.1 million the NFLPA was ordered to pay after a federal jury in San Francisco ruled in favor of the players in November. The jury determined the union failed to include retired NFL players in deals with Electronic Arts, the maker of the “Madden NFL” video game, and other companies.

  • Jeff

    DA, I do not think Ted Thompson is very good at his job. It’s up to him to prove me wrong, and I’ve stated my standards. This being his fifth year, I think we should win the division or at least finish 10-6 to get into the playoffs on wildcard.

    If the team he spent five years building can’t do that, I think we should find somebody who can do better.

  • iccyfan

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9601836/Ranking-the-NFL:-Insider-grading-on-every-franchise

    Adam Schein – “My head is going to explode the next time a caller calls my Sirius NFL Radio show claiming to be a Packers fan as he bashes Ted Thompson. How many teams in sports can contend while building for the future? The Packers are young and loaded with talent thanks to Thompson’s pure genius on draft day and strong niche based veterans pickups.”

  • Roy Jamison

    I put a moratorium on discussing the Packers’ present GM till the season starts. I have given him this year to make a difference. On paper it looks good, we’ll see how that translates to on the field. Actually at this point in time, I am more concerned about Mark Murphy and what his vision of running the Packers is. I haven’t seen much written about him, this piece is pretty much a slow softball job.
    http://gnb.scout.com/2/865407.html

  • http://Orlando Mark

    iccy, only a Packer fan would know who TT is or would care. If we’re disappointed about not winning the championship in ’07 or having a bad year in ’08 there’s only two people we point to, TT or #4. We’ve all run scenarios blaming one or the other. For some reason we don’t let it go or blame both. It seems TT was building for the future a little too soon. But the future is here and I’m looking forward to an exciting year.

  • packer_bob

    iccy,

    I’ve seen that Schein piece before and will say now what I thought when I read it the first time: What is your definition of “contend”?

    I think we can all agree 6 and 10 is a poor excuse for “contending” unless the contention in question is for a high draft pick. TT has been rebuilding for 4 years( at least according to Schein, I doubt TT would ever admit that out loud) and the team that is “young and loaded” with the “stong niche” of veteran talent has gone 8-8, 13-3, and 6-10 IF you throw out the 4-12 year as his first, which I think is fair.

    But also fair is to credit the 13-3 to Favre for having a resurgent season that few saw coming, the emergence of a no-name running back later in the season and a defense that had an over-performing season as compared to the other three. I would submit that the only season in TT’s tenure that we “contended” is this one, and the notion that he had that much to do with it is dubious at best.

    Schein is looking at it on paper which is what analysts do. I want results and it better be this season or there are no excuses.

  • iccyfan

    Mark & PB – I listen to Schein periodically and tend to agree with his positions moreso than other “talking heads”. I thought his piece on “strength of organization” was interesting, especially given the Packers’ lack of a flamboyant “owner”. Several teams “ranked” above them were given high marks because of their ownership (Falcons – Blank; Steelers – Rooney Family, etc.); since the Packers don’t have this, Schein must really like Murphy, Ted & MM. I just thought it was an interesting opinion piece to supplement the “slow time” of OTA’s and counter-balance other opinions.

    While I’d prefer the Packers dominate every season, that’s just not reality in today’s NFL. Other than the Patriots who are riding a very strong wave, every team is up & down. The NFL sought parity with the salary cap and we have it. The Pats can apparently “plug & play” with little loss in productivity, but other teams are killed by injuries. I think (read “hope”) TT has built the depth that can allow the Packers to play thru the inevitable injuries, and believe that’s what Schein is crediting him for. We’ll see soon enough…

  • Rocky70

    “……….fair is to credit the 13-3 to Favre for having a resurgent season that few saw coming……….”

    Fair is also to lament the fact that Favre also blew GB’s chance at attending the SB & that BF’s late season failures once again doomed GB to another non-SB year.

    It’s good to see that PB has emerged from his alcohol-induced coma to once again give BF credit for walking on water, healing the sick, etc. etc.

    Here’s an idea!! – Fire TT & re-hire Sherman as our GM. Mikey sure knew what he was doing. -Not.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Rocky, from the tone of your last post I assume your happy he wasn’t with us last year.

  • Lew

    Who the fuck is Adam Schein? Might as well quote my grandma.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    I like to be in an alcohol induced coma once in awhile–it gives you a chance!

    I didn’t say he walked on water, I said he had a resurgent season. If you’d like to refute that, good luck. I also gave credit to the emergence of Ryan Grant and the defense that year, which you conveniently neglected to mention.

    I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, so please pay attention this time (read it slowly so it takes)—It was a horrible pass at the worst possible time. Favre’s had plenty of those in his time–he also led us to a ton of wins in his time that we wouldn’t have had without him. You say he cost us the game, I say we would have never been there in the first place without him.

    I liked Sherman as a coach better than I like McCarthy so far but he should have never been handed the GM job in the first place–looky there, we agree on something!
    In fact, there is almost no one I would want to be coach and GM at the same time as I am of the opinion that it is too much for one man to handle.

    Having said that, Sherman’s deficiencies do nothing to either raise or diminish my regard for TT, nor should they. One has nothing to do with the other. The choice isn’t Thompson or Sherman–The choice is Thompson or someone else. With the schedule we have this year, if we can’t crest .500 I’m ready to vote someone else.

  • packer_bob

    iccy,

    I hope Schein is right too–I hope we go on a tear and are a great team for an extended period of time. I just take issue with his defense of TT on the grounds we are rebuilding and contending as I’ve seen plenty of the former and very little of the latter thus far.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    If you’re still saying something declarative then ending the sentence with -Not! that tells me all I need to know.