Why I love preseason games

The Packers are about to open training camp and like every year I am fired up. That is the same with all Packers’ fans but what separates me from most is I love the preseason games. This year the Packers are returning something like 20 of their 22 starters from last year which means there won’t be many battles for starting jobs. The open right tackle position will be the hot one and outside linebacker will be warm as well. Most of the competition this year is for backup jobs and that means we’ll be seeing guys fighting for their professional lives in the weeks to come.

I love seeing these guys battle for jobs and and then trying to decide who should be cut and comparing it to who actually does get cut. Guys I’m going to be watching are guys like last year’s training camp sensation – running back Kraig Lumpkin, linebacker Clay Matthews, who along with B.J. Raji should get plenty of playing time in the preseason. Defensive lineman Justin Harrell, healthy for the first time in his life should be interesting to watch. I’ll certainly be watching the backup cornerbacks as Charles Woodson and Al Harris won’t be around forever, in fact it would be nice to see them get pushed a little to keep them at the top of their game.

I also want to see more of Jordy Nelson and he and James Jones should see plenty of action. What could hurt those two is once Aaron Rodgers leaves the game the Packers have very little at quarterback. I’m not high on Matt Flynn or Brian Brohm at all. I’m sure they can hand to Lumpkin and Deshawn Wynn pretty good though. In that same vein, tight end Jermichael Finley is looking to beat out Donald Lee has a starter but may have to make his move when Rodgers is still in the game and more so in practice.Needless to say the switch to the 3-4 defense will on the top of most peoples list of what to watch and is on mine as well, but the difference is I believe Dom Capers when he says the Packers will be ready to go opening day, no six game learning curve like I hear mentioned so much. In this case, however, we may not be able to glean much with the starters only play a few quarters together in the preseason. Still, seeing the schemes and how the linebackers play will be fun to watch.

My biggest concern is the same as it has been for the last 18 years, don’t get the quarterback hurt before the games count. It is always a fine line between playing enough to get the timing down and coming out to soon to avoid injury. Other guys that could kill the Packers season before it gets started by getting hurt in the preseason would by Greg Jennings, Woodson or Harris, Ryan Grant, and Chad Clifton, who covers Rodgers’ back. I would also be very concerned if Ryan Pickett or Raji got hurt. Pickett never has got his just do but he is a key player for the Packers’ defense. Raji has shown from the day he got here, no pads yet, that he is going to be starting somewhere on the d-line.

Finally, the best thing about preseason games is that you don’t have to get all nervous before or during the game. It is great to watch the Packers play and not really care what the final score is. Coaches can talk until they are blue in the face about the importance of winning every game you play but we all know these games mean nothing in the win-loss column.  So sit back, enjoy your favorite beverage, and watch the Packers mold their team into what I think will be at least a division champion. It all starts Saturday I’ll be there.

  • packer_bob

    Very good post, Al, agree with everything you said. I’ve never been the biggest fan of pre-season games in general but as you pointed out, there is no lack of players or storylines to watch this year–I may actually watch all four quarters, which I rarely do.

    Dead on balls accurate on the injury dilemna as well. Remember several years ago when Trent Green blew his knee out in a pre-season game after signing with the Rams? It worked out pretty well for them as Kurt Warner stepped in, not so confidant it would turn out well if something like that happened to us.

    You’re also right about it being fun to watch without the pressure of something being on the line and like the reference to a favorite berverage. I give this post 4 out of 4 stars.

    Yeah, that’s right…..I said it.

  • Richard Krause

    I’ve never been too high on Nick Barnett and it looks like Hawk’s abilities are being questioned, so I’ll be looking at how Desmond Bishop fits into the 3-4 scheme.

    I don’t think he has the coverage abilities of an outside backer but he is a Beast on the inside.

    Deek

  • Punk

    Count me in as one who also thinks we’ve made a turn-around from last year’s anomaly. Was out of town yesterday so Al, with your indulgence, would like to respond to Big-Cheese, Brotha Black, and one of our favorites, packer_bob. I was 24 when St. Vincent came to town so you do the math. Previously said, came to the Pack via marriage and had grown up a Bearse fan. Have lived coast-to-coast from San Leandro to Philadelphia and even gave Uncle Sam (4) years during that damned “Police Action”. I, too, broke into my financial career via data processing and wired a hell of a lot of IBM boards and programming Spectra 70s while going to night school for (10) years. Was a Div. Controller for Fortune 500 company and retired in ’90 (yeah, early). As to “Punk”; pulled it out of the air when someone jumped on my original handle. Meaning? I thought it was a young knuckle-head or a thing you lit fire crackers with (back when they were legal). You maybe sick of my opinions and logic, but as I am not a football expert I rely on my experiences and business acumen to form same. Like they say “been there, done that” and the NFL is big business. All of the above means nothing, of course when evaluating and opinion that is different than yours. I’m just an “experienced” Packer fan that appreciates the organization from top to bottom, with hic-ups now and then. Enough said, got to set up my bar ‘cuz we’re having a party tonight, PS: Rocky70, appears we have somewhat similar backgrounds; perhaps thats why we think somewhat alike!

  • Rocky70

    Good analysis Al.
    For me, the sooner the pre-season ends, the better.

    At the same time, MM has always protected his starters in pre-season. This has always bothered me. I believe GB needs to start fast in 2009, especially on the D. I’d like to see the starters put in a little more field time than the last few pre-seasons. It’s a risk but one, IMO, that needs to take place in 2009. I also like the fact that Mark Tauscher could once again be under contract as a Packer in some capacity once he has rehabilitated.

    Punk………The copy & paste trolls are always a problem on forums & blogs……The opinions of an optimistic PackFan are always appreciated. I’d be nice to see the stranglers get back into the fold. Watch this happen when the Pack demonstrates that they are an elite team in 2009. ….An interesting remark came from someone at ESPN. He’s predicting a ‘quantum leap’ for GB in 2009. I’ll find the link eventually.

  • Dave

    Great post and I agree with all of what you said, but I have to say it was painful to read. Split it up into some different paragraphs. :)

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  • Pack4life

    I was just studying the Dom Capers Defensive in the 90′s all very good teams that had some hard luck. I will argue that the current Packers have way more talent in the secondary. For instance the 99 Jags went 14-2 only become the only team in NFL history to lose only 3 games all to the same opponent the AFC Champion Titans.
    Of course we know what happened in 96 :-) I know its premature but the argument can be made that overall offense and Defense this is the most Talent Capers has presided over. The NFC is wide open so as Greg Jennings is saying No excuses!

  • matt

    I want to watch Bishop push for a starting ILB spot. I think he may be better than Hawk. I think Chillar is better than Barnett and I think if politics are not involved, Chillar will hold the starting job at the beginning of the season and beyond.

    I question whether Jenkins will fit in this defense. I think Harrell may push him and surprise people.

    I’m high on Flynn. I think he’s a player, much like Tom Brady.

  • Roy Jamison

    For me, the preseason is 2 games too long. In the old days it took awhile for vets to get in shape etc. Now, that’s no longer the case due to off season ongoing conditioning and of course the big bucks involved in “motivating” these guys. I’ll be most interested in 2 special teams jobs, punting and returning. If there is a significant improvement there, then I’ll know we might have something special going on. I realize the defensive changes and improvement in offense are the glam jobs, but as it is we have no one close to Hester of Chicago.

  • packer_bob

    Normally I agree, Roy, pre-season is too long. This particular pre-season is a little different imo, for the reasons enumerated by Al above. Looking forward to this one more than any one in recent memory!

    “Great post and I agree with all of what you said, but I have to say it was painful to read. Split it up into some different paragraphs. “–Dave

    Dave raises a good point. Original 4 star review down graded to 3.5 stars.

  • Punk

    Lets face it, when you have a team returning 20 starters or more the pre is too long. Obviously, when you make a change like the D this year you need the time. As we complete the renovation in a year or so (like the corners and OTs that are bound to change) I trust the coach to go back to playing more newbies during the pre and I think that adds to the fun. Always like to see the new faces every year even tho they might not start for a while. I liked going to those games because there was less pressure and since most were at night (especially Milw) I tho’t the tailgates were the real highlight!

  • Punk

    Rocky, please don’t go there, lets stick with football and ignore the insults!

  • Roy Jamison

    I didn’t realize how good Frosty the Puntman really was…thumpidy, thump, thump..
    Frost’s too frequent shanks were the reason the Packers ranked No. 27 in gross average (41.4 yards), No. 24 in net average (35.7 yards) and No. 28 in punts downed inside the 20 (15).

  • packer_bob

    In my memory, he was even worse than those stats Roy, lol!

  • Michael Legat

    The scary part is this means there were four to seven worse punters than Frost.

  • Rocky70

    The problems that existed with the punters in 2008 can’t be repeated in 2009. I’m very leery about both Kapinos & Brooks. I think an NFL team can negate a lousy punter, but a ‘good’ punter can only enhance field position. Somehow it seems the punter for GB in 2009 is not even presently on the roster. I just hope they have a few other options on their board if neither Kapinos or Brooks stands out. TT can’t wait until a few hours before game 1 to get this position in better shape.

  • Rocky70

    Update on day one of TC.

    http://packers.com/news/stories/2009/07/31/2/

    Barnett will open TC on the PUP. Did not pass his physical.

    I hope this is just a verbage type designation. Regardless, to expect him at 100% anytime in 2009 may be wishful thinking. Enter D. Bishop.

  • packer_bob

    Didn’t McCarthy kind of poo-poo the fact Barnett failed his physical? I seem to remember reading somewhere he expected Barnett to be participating in TC pretty quickly. Let’s hope so, he deserved to go to the Pro Bowl in 2007 imo, a return to form would be great for this season, though that may be too much to ask.

    Anybody sweating Raji not being signed yet? It’s being portrayed as one of those signings that’s hard to finish up without the other comparable level picks getting their contracts hammered out first. I’m pretty confidant that’s all it is.

  • Dustin

    Whats the deal with Crabtree? thats what i want to know.
    Seems like every year theres a player that thinks because they shouldve or wouldve been drafted higher they somehow are entittled to a contract based on where they think they wouldve been drafted instead of where they were drafted

  • Dustin

    I bring up Crabtree because from what i’ve read his wanting top 5 money is keeping other draft picks from signing because they want to see what he ends up getting.
    Only in the NFL can someone get paid more due to where they “shouldve” in their mind been drafted.
    I wish i could used the “shouldve” argument at work to get a raise.

  • Rocky70

    First Post ???

    Dustin Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    You sure know alot for someone whose 1st post was a few hours ago.

    Are you going with Dustin now or Big Cheese ?? Multiple IDs are taboo on any blog or forum. …..Ask anyone.

  • Punk

    I’m concerned about Barnett(inj), Collins(cont.), and Clifton(age). All three positions are (I think) well stocked and can be replaced w/o too much drop-off. I think it would be hard to replace Barnett and Clifton in the locker room tho. Collins, not so much. Capers indicated that the OTAs were the installation and the camp will be the “fine tuning”. That leaves the Pre for the experiments with the wrinkles. Sounds good to me and of those three I’d hate most for Barnett not to be able to come around. I further think that if Collins holds out for more than a week – he is gone!

  • Punk

    Oh, for the record big-Cheeze and Brotha, I worked in Ohio ’62 thru ’64. As Gene Simmons always says “Its great to be me”. Were you guys born yet? Nah, don’t bother to answer, I don’t really care to be honest.

  • Rocky70

    Punk………..I don’t think there’s a problem with Collins. Unless I missed something somewhere, he reported on time.
    ________
    Nick Collins’ agent said his client will report to Packers’ training camp.
    “Yes, Nick is coming to camp,” Dave Butz said.
    Earlier today Butz was non-committal about whether Collins would report. Collins, who is in the final year of his original rookie contract, is seeking a contract extension.
    “We’re hoping that his contract situation will be addressed and that we’ll have some ongoing dialogue,” Butz said.

  • Punk

    Thanks Rock, I was out of town and missed his coming in. Hope you’re right, but I guess I’m just not turned on by the guy. You know how there are, and always have been, some guys on a team that somehow don’t seem to fit in in one’s own opinion? I sure hope I’m wrong about him because he is probably the best talent back there.

  • Roy Jamison

    Rock, I agree with you. I don’t see a Ray Guy on this team, just two guys.

  • packer_bob

    I don’t know anything about the two guys, but if they can just be so-so they will be a big improvement. Maybe I’m lazy, but I just can’t bring myself to research two unknown punters on a Saturday am before even the first pre-season game. Here’s hoping one of them is a diamond (I’d settle for cubic zirconia) in the rough.

  • Dustin

    @Rocky70
    Sorry my opinions offended you.
    I was under the impression this was an open forum.
    I really can’t understand how you can justify attacking me and insinuating I have multiple i.ds or that I am not who i say i am considering you got a pissy when someone did the same thing a few days ago.
    My real name is Dustin so im not even using a moniker.
    I was born in Wausau and currently i live in Atlanta.

  • Punk

    Ironic, perhaps, but the eat MM/TT/MM and spit ‘em out crowd has been relatively quiet as of late. Oh, I know they’re out there ready to pounce, but review whats happenned since last season. As camp starts we’re down to discussing the punter. Here is what ALL of us had in common at the end of last season. OL, entire D (well, maybe not the DBs, but (2) of them had serious injuries), punting, and coverage stunk. We didn’t like the play calling, the vacilation on the punter, and a lot of us criticized the last couple of drafts. Whats changed? OFFENSE:
    Arod tentative, ran out too much (inj risk factor), and was not given control. Thats changed since MM cut down the playbook and is giving him more options for changing the play. Grant healthy, content, and stronger w/ a lead blocker to open up the secondary. WRs unchanged w/ a year more maturity and (5) deep. The OL settled in except for C, but that is leaning Spitz. No more musical chairs. A young TE on the cusp so to speak. Wasn’t much wrong w/ the O last year except for transition to a new QB (huge) which was going to happen soon anyway. DEFENSE: Wow, start w/TT bringing in Capers. Then the (3) of them going DT/DE and OLB in the 1st rnd. A whole lot of fitting round pegs into round holes w/ exception of getting Kampman to buy in. Hell, he is going to play up most of the time anyway. Then comes the collateral help to the SPECIALS (primarily coverage and down field blocking) by the expanded LB corp and bigger DBs. In sum, it looks like the troika did exactly what we wanted them to do and the detractors are reduced to complaining about the immediate past and the fact that the above suppositions are yet to be proven. There comes a point, guys, where it all goes on to the field and you can no longer blame the suits. I don’t think there is a better coaching combination out there than what we have so now this is mostly up to the players to perform and use the tools they were given. Also, even if that damned injury bug hits again, don’t we now have more experienced depth? I like this team………..!

  • Roy Jamison

    PackBob,
    Here’s hoping they are “quality” zirconia.

  • packer_bob

    Punk,

    I’m not from Missouri, but maybe I should be, because I have a “show me” mentality. All that stuff you listed as positive or progress means absolutely nothing at this point–it is completely unproven. Looks good on paper, yeah, but we looked good on paper prior to last season and got 6-10.

    I like this team as well but hell, it’s pre-season, we’re supposed to be overflowing with optimism and visions of SB’s dancing in our heads. But until I see it during the season, it doesn’t mean much. If we have a big positive turnaround this year, I will give MM and TT their due. If we can’t crest .500, I’m ready to move on. If it comes to that, Dustin, I will be happy to provide suggestions on GM and head coach replacements, not that means much obv. Hopefully it doesn’t and the irrationally exuberant crowd is right, and we’ll be loaded and dominant for years to come.

  • packer_bob

    Yeah, I am very up on the potential of the defense as well. Dom Capers is a very good coach, well respected in the league with a track record of defensive success wherever he goes. We are lucky to have him.

    But that doesn’t necessarily mean instant dominant defense. I HOPE it means that, but there are many things that could go wrong and I still expect a learning curve. If we could just not implode defensively like we did so many times last year, that alone would be a huge improvement.

  • packer_bob

    “and you always explain yourself fully.” Methinks some would say a little too fully, lol. But thanks and welcome aboard!

  • Punk

    Open question to nobody in particular: How in the world can anyone not be optimistic? Who out there would you rather have than Capers? He, of all of them, is a proven commodity and who would you rather have drafted (and quit splitting hairs)? The D this year could fall flat on its face, but you’d be hard pressed to blame the troika. Its time the players take the responsibility, I say! My gosh they have even changed the fitness routine to cut down on the injuries. Please don’t tell me Moss, the DT from TEN, or Canty would have been the missing pieces. There are 30 teams each year that don’t go to the SB, but we will win the Div. We were in the playoffs a good many years in the last almost two decades, but only won one. Those aren’t very good odds either.

  • packer_bob

    Punk,

    I’m optimistic but there are alot of question marks. How will we adjust to the new scheme? Dustin made a good point about Harris, I would add his age along with Woodson’s. I respect these guys immensely, they can’t go on forever without showing some signs of decline.

    How’s Nick Barnett going to do coming off injury? Is AJ Hawk ever going ito turn into the playmaker you expect from a number 5 overall pick? Is Harrell ever going to contribute and how will our d-line perform as opposed to last year? Mathews and Raji are both good young talent, but they haven’t played a down in the NFL yet. Do they make a splash as rookies or not? How does Kampman play in the new scheme?

    And that’s just the defense. Do we ever get a cohesive O-line and for god’s sake can they cut down on the penalties? I mean, you could go on and on. Optimism is always high at the start of a season, but so are the questions. That’s all I’m saying.

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  • Punk

    Dustin, my answer to that has always been that after the initial “bump” to throw off stride/route it became a somewhat cover 2 (at least my understanding of cover 2 in that you zone sides and free-lance when required over the middle). Harris and Woodson are both tough as nails and will/can stay with anyone when healthy. That leaves the onus on the FS to provide the 2nd layer cover. Under Capers I have to feel that the SS will spend more time in the deep area rather than close up. Then again, just my gut instinct not based on fact.

  • Punk

    Hey, Rock, we have a comedian on the thread. Sounds like stand-up to me, nothing related to football. Since I’ve already plowed thru those arrows I’ve got nothing to lose, but this guy is over the edge – lets tweek the hell out of him!

  • packer_bob

    I think even the GB DB’s coach was asked about Harris playing zone and admitted he hadn’t done that much of it here or it wasn’t his strength, something like that. He also said Harris was a hell of a player and could play anything.

    So does any of this mean Harris can’t play zone effectively? I’d say no. Does it mean it is a legitimate area of concern? Hell, yeah! I even saw one pre-season write up on the Pack talking about the possibility of Harris being cut.

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  • Matt Hayton

    As far as MM/TT, this is there year to prove all of us haters wrong. If we’re not atleast 9-7 and going to the playoffs this year, I honestly don’t get why you wouldn’t fire their asses and move on, it’ll be 5 years with only 1 playoff appearance, otherwise.

    Now…if they can get us to the playoffs this year, then I will give them their due and agree they they should stick around, but I don’t think that will happen…

    Here’s why:

    1. OL is a big concern to me. Line sucked last year and they chose to address via the draft, which had better work. I think Cliffy will drop off this year, already lost Tausch and no one in the middle scares anyone. College has promise but is very inconsistent. To me that unit could very well be the difference in this team this year. And, I am sorry, but that falls squarely on the shoulders of TT, he’s had 5 years to fix that.

    2. Defense transition: Think we will lose a couple of games early due to missed assignments. Also, moving your best D-lineman to LB is a huge risk. If Kampman is just a guy back there, where is our pass rush going to come from, which was a major issue last season, and aside from changing scheme we didn’t address this key area.

    3. Al Harris/Tramon Williams. Al probably can’t play this scheme. Tramon had 5 picks but also got beat for 5 TD’s last year, as well…we no longer have bookend CB’s, and hope the scheme can compensate, but need to see that on the field.

    4. Punter. We just need an NFL punter, don’t care who he is, so field position doesn’t bite us in the ass.

    5. AR needs to go .500 or better in close games this year, no if’s, and’s or but’s…no excuses. It comes with the territory of being a franchise QB in the NFL.

    In my opinion, these are the critical areas which stand in the way of us being successful…contrary to popular opinion about me on this blog, I would love nothing more than for us to go 12-4 and go deep in the playoffs. To me it is all about W’s-L’s. I could really care less who the GM, Coach or QB are just so as long as we are winning…all of them have had plenty of time to be ready to win with this team, this year. If it doesn’t happen this year, I don’t think it ever will with TT/MM.

    Also, excited about watching Flynn play again…think we have something there and I’ll say it again…think he could be the starter in 2 years if AR can’t win this year or next year.

  • packer_bob

    Excellent post, Matt, clearly enumerates some of the key areas that are questionable heading into this season. Not trying to be down on the team, but just feel that some on this board are acting like players that aren’t even known outside of Packer circles are perennial All-Pros.

    Couldn’t agree more on the make or break aspect of this season, though I am doubtful that anyone goes anywhere save a complete disaster of a season. In any case, let’s hope for “make” rather than “break”!

  • packer_bob

    Oh, and Matt, that’s some pretty strong stuff to be saying about Flynn. It’s my understanding from reading various things that he’s much better equipped than Brohm to step in if needed at this point but I’m curious what’s got you so pumped on him.

  • packer_bob

    Yeah, it’s the classic “Is the glass half full or half empty?” scenario. Obviously injuries will be key to the answer, but it is alot to ask for say Harrell to 1) All of a sudden be a real contributor and 2.) Stay healthy.

    Could make many points on the outlook of this season to both the positive and negative, that’s why I’m taking a wait and see approach.

  • Punk

    Darn it p_b you’re getting my Post Toasties soggy. Things are going to be happening very quickly now and we will be getting daily bad news, primarily injuries and slow rehabs. Reports on Barnett and Hawk not good and Dustin has to throw in Harrell, Pickett, and Jenkins. Flip that pessimism around because Cliffy is working and Collins is making me look bad. A “wait and see approach” makes you negative and seem like you can’t wait for the bad news. I know thats not true, really, because you are so passionate about this team; so cheer up! Wow, great news about the punters. I wonder if either will be around at the end of camp; although the back-up C took a lot of the heat.

  • Rocky70

    Here’s why I think GB will do well from the get-go in 2009.

    1. Statistically, GB’s OL was ranked tied for ninth out of 32 NFL teams in 2008 by CHFF. This statistical analysis was based on pertinent offensive statistics as opposed to unsupported personal opinions.
    2. Dom Caper’s defenses have been known to start fast after a transition from 4-3 to 3-4 in all his previous stints as DC. GB could very well have seven 1st round draft picks starting on the D. It makes a difference.
    3. Three out of 4 DBs have gone to the Pro-Bowl the last two years. Tramon Williams would be starting for a number of NFL teams. Al Harris is still considered one of the best defenders in the NFL by his peers & opposing coaches. He has played zone off & on his entire career.
    4. Punter – ???????????
    5. AR had better stats than nearly any 1st year NFL starter in the last two decades. He is already viewed by people in the know as one of the top QBs in the NFL.

    In my opinion, these are areas of strength that can only propel GB to the North Divisional Title. …… Funny how it all depends upon how you look at it.

    …… Gee, what’s that smell in here?? Smells like spoiled cheese or something.

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  • Matt Hayton

    Last time I checked Rocky, we finished 6-10 last year, which is the vantage point of my remarks. Not the rose-colored glasses, which so many others seem to wear on this blog.

    The areas I highlighted were either the key factors in that result or an area that has had change occur in the offseason.

    As stated time and time again, I am all about the W’s, which we only had 6 of last year, forgive me for being a realist.

    But I’ll play your game:

    1. Rushing offense ranked 17th in the league last year; 25th in rushing TD’s scored. OL/running game does not scare opposing defenses and is suspect at best.

    2. Defense was ranked 20th overall; 25th in sacks; 9.5 coming from Aaron Kampman, our best pass rusher who is changing positions.

    3. Al Harris is 34, has bump coverage exclusively for the last 6 years and in Philly he was traded out of a zone coverage scheme because he was better suited for bump and run. There isn’t even an argument here. If you don’t get this, then you are just football stupid.

    4. Punter, no argument here.

    5. AR was 1-7 in games decided by a TD or less. I don’t want a stats QB; I want a winning QB. If AR throws 17 TDs and 24 picks this year & has 1950 passing yards, but we go 12-4, then I am happy camper. But if we go 6-10, i could give a rats ass about his stats or how great of an upcoming QB “all the people in the know” think he is, because our team would still be losing and to me that defines a QB, more than any other stat or people’s opinion…

  • Matt Hayton

    Packer Bob – Flynn was a winner in college; had great command in the huddle last year during pre-season and made plays out of nothing when things broke down. He has some mo-jo…not saying he is the next Tom Brady (late round pick who’ll become an all-pro); but maybe the next Matt Hasselbeck…I am curious to watch him this pre-season to see what we have there…could just be a flash in the pan, but I think there is something there.

  • Punk

    Well Matt, you and p_b are a great pair. I should think you would be expounding on how this is a much better team than last year, but no, its just constant doom and gloom.