First trip to practice

First of all, the Packers’ new practice facility is absolutely beautiful. With the Resch Center on the north end and the grandstands on the east side of the field, my view from the south was awesome. I could have gotten into the stands had I wanted to but standing by the fence was just as good as the Packers quarterbacks and receivers worked right in front of me during the hour I was there. The field is absolutely perfect and the large scoreboard makes it game-like conditions during 11-on-11 drills. If there is a better practice field in the NFL I haven’t seen coverage of it. Like Lambeau Field, it is second to none.

I didn’t see a lot of practice but the display Aaron Rodgers put on was borderline ridiculous. In a drill where the quarterback takes a snap from center and drops back and throws to a basket along the sidelines Rodgers dropped in three in a row, longer throws each of the second two. The crowd went crazy and after the second one Rodgers gave a Tiger Woods uppercut that really pumped up the fans. I thought I heard the guy say 46 yards before Rodgers drilled his last one which was prompted another fist pump. Rodgers is going to take his place among the top quarterbacks in the NFL this year and may take the Packers’ passing game to levels not seen since the James Lofton, John Jefferson and Paul Coffman years.

Rodgers is just deadly with the deep ball, which is what made Lynn Dickey so good throwing to the aforementioned receiving combo. Rodgers would have fit in perfectly with the real Al Davis and Oakland Raiders who must always “go vertical” whether they can or not. I bet the California native Rodgers might not have minded playing their either. He could have been the new Mad Bomber. But Rodgers wound up in Green Bay and his three years of backing up Brett Favre were spent working hard knowing he was going to be the guy in due time. Now that he is that guy, he is just going to get better and better providing he doesn’t get hurt. Packers’ fans have to feel blessed to have back-to-back franchise quarterbacks this good. Simply amazing.

And after watching Rodgers, Matt Flynn and Brian Brohm looked absolutely pitiful. Not sure I even saw a spiral and nothing even close to dunking one in the net. The Packers need Mike Vick and the sooner the better. If anybody can turn Vick into a west coast offense quarterback it is Mike McCarthy. Packers’ president Mark Murphy made it sound like the Packers weren’t interested, but like general manager Ted Thompson, didn’t completely close the door. I’m not going to get into the character argument because I don’t care. I don’t want choir boys, I want game winners. The man did his time.

I’m definitely going to make the two mile trek back to practice a few more times this summer. This is sweet, and what I see on the field was even more impressive.

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  • http://Orlando Mark

    PB, the right veteran can be more than a backup, he could be a help. An extra pair of eyes, someone who’s been in situations on the field and knows opponents tendencies first hand. I know that isn’t valued very highly by TT but I’ve seen evidence of that working. Brohm and Flynn looked lost, not much help there.

  • Rocky70

    I suppose TT is responsible for the rain-out ??

    You apologists are incredibly …………

  • Matt Hayton

    Rocky -

    You are an idiot if you think I want this team to lose. Clearly that is why I drive 8 hours round-trip to watch my team at training camp. Don’t be an ass. Keep it clean next time.

    I don’t like TT but I’d much rather go 12-4 and win a SB than go 4-12 and see him fired, because I am a Packer fan, regardless of who the QB, coach or GM is.

  • Matt Hayton

    Mark Says:

    August 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
    Wish list; a fixed starting O-line, a veteran QB at least for the competition, Raji in camp ASAP.

    100% agree.

  • packer_bob

    Yes, clearly the rain out of Family Night is TT’s doing. He is evil incarnate, and no doubt lured families to Lambeau only to use his infernal power over the weather to dump buckets of rain over their heads and threaten them with lightning bolts. A plague of locusts will be next. And mint chocolate chip would do just fine, see one more thing we have in common.

    Mark, good point. I was only considering veteran back-up in terms of on the field help. The right veteran (not Mike Vick, methinks) could be there in case we need him and offer the other things you spoke of.

    Matt, we’re on the same on the page. I’ll always consider some of TT’s moves to be mistakes, but that’s the past now. I think any rational person can have legitimate questions about this team moving forward into this season, but a SB would salve many of my wounds. Hell, 11-5, 12-4 and a playoff run would do just fine for starters!

  • packer_bob

    “Matt, we’re on the same on the page”

  • packer_bob

    ^^^^^^^^^^^ Now that’s good writing, ain’t it?

  • Mel e Mel

    B.J Raji is a man caught in the middle of a perfect storm. The # 7 pick overall had no business in the 1st round. Al Davis chose to sign him at a 20% premium over last year. The # 8 Belongs to Jacksonville and Wayne Weaver a notorious cheapo. TT is not exactly a spendthrift so he is definitely going to wait. And at # 10 a player who doesnt inhabit reality. There is a reason 9 teams passed on the best skill position player in the draft. Physically he is a worldbeater, mentally he is an egg-beater.

  • Rocky70

    MH
    A word of advise: Never ask a question unless you already know the answer.
    You can save yourself a little embarassment…. Live & learn, right?

  • Rocky70

    I’m thinking Al will allow this link.

    A great Wiki page on the Pack. Anything & everything historical.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packers

  • Rocky70

    Vick….a Packer ???

    ” Cornerback Charles Woodson says the team is was built to handle any distraction after the Brett Favre saga and sounded open to the possibility. Safety Nick Collins agrees, and is in favor of bringing in Vick.

    Collins points out that G.M. Ted Thompson made the unpopular decision to roll with Aaron Rodgers, and it proved correct.

    “[Thompson is] going to make the right decision. He’s not going to shrimp out because of someone else’s opinion. If he thinks it’s going to help this team, he’s going to pull that trigger,” Collins said. “

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Rocky, the problem isn’t that he’s a wimp, it’s that he doesn’t always make the right decisions(who does). I just hope he can learn something from his mistakes. And, I believe his biggest is undervaluing veteran’s experience.

  • iccyfan

    Mark – I’m going to respectfully disagree with your desire to bring a veteran QB to camp based on less than stellar showings thus far by our young backups. Flynn & Brohm are like whole life insurance; you hope not to use it but it also represents a small investment in your future. Guys like Mark Brunell & Joey Harrington of the Saints are “term life”, taking up valuable roster spots and getting you no return in the future. Entering his fifth year at the helm, it’s pretty obvious that TT builds for the future.

    I think Ted really rolled the dice last season and with a year under their belts, I’m comfortable one of them could step in if needed. They won’t be ARod, but Doug Pederson wasn’t Favre either.

  • Rocky70

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    Are there any tried & true back-up QBs anywhere in the NFL ?? Seems like all 32 teams kinda shoot from the hip & hope for the best with their 2nd & 3rd QBs. Which back-up QB anywhere has demonstrated his competence coming off the bench consistently? Usually when a back-up does well, it’s a surprise to most. (Cassell)……Then you instantly become a starter & make $10 mil a year. ……..Now who’s the back-up in NE? ……… They gotta be crossing their fingers that Brady is 100% & stays that way all season.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    I agree we don’t need another developmental QB who doesn’t have experience. Or someone who’s physically shot like Brad Johnson was last year for the Cowboys. I’d prefer a journeyman who got by on preperation more than ability. Someone like Zeke Bratkowski and Gary Kubiak, who became coaches, and still has something left. Of course that’s hard to find. I don’t think we have the luxury of carrying someone who can’t play, like we did with #4 all those years, if were serious about competing for the playoffs. Looking over who’s available my first choice is #4 himself, Bollinger or Ken Dorsey. You might laugh but I remember going to the SB with Jim McMahan, I thought that was pretty funny.

  • Roy Jamison

    packer_bob “He is evil incarnate, and no doubt lured families to Lambeau only to use his infernal power over the weather to dump buckets of rain over their heads and threaten them with lightning bolts” That is some pretty funny funny stuff! They obviously need a dome in Green Bay! LOL

  • Matt Hayton

    Rocky – Even Rodgers (and Mc Carthy) admits his play has been inconsistent…and says there is a gap between him and pro-bowler like Brees…which is all I have been saying.

    Rodgers and McCarthy both said the next step he has to take is becoming a more consistent player. Rodgers said he has drawn inspiration from offseason training he did with New Orleans quarterback Drew Brees.

    Nowadays little Packer fans are sporting No. 12 jerseys rooting for QB Aaron Rodgers. ( / Associated Press)

    “Week in and week out, he’s putting up numbers,” Rodgers said. “The difference between a guy like that who’s consistently going to the Pro Bowl and me is that his bad games are closer to his good games. There’s not as big a drop off. If he has an average or below-average game, he’s still being productive and moving the ball. There were times last year when we were unproductive on offense. I need to close that gap.”

    What a great, humble comment for a young QB…also didn’t know he spent time training with Brees this offseason…both the statement and the training really endear you to the guy…I’m pulling for him…contrary to popular opinion always have been…just take an honest approach in doing so. Here’s hoping he leads us to 12-4 and SuperBowl victory!

  • packer_bob

    Glad you enjoyed it Roy. I know you are just joking around, but if they EVER build a dome in Green Bay (or even contemplate it for that matter), I am D-O-N-E.

    Does anyone besides me think Jeff George is a potentially better solution for veteran back up than Mike Vick? Jason Whitlock just wrote a column about George the other week and assuming that Whitlock knows what he’s talking about, George is still capable of playing if he wanted to.

  • packer_bob

    Matt,

    I heard about that off season training he participated in, you’re right you really have to respect that. Rodgers seems to be very level headed and doing all the things the right way. I know he earned some points with me by playing through that shoulder injury last year.

    But don’t try to fool anyone into thinking that you’re doing anything other than rooting for Rodger’s to blow a knee, the Packers go 2-14, TT gets fired and we have to beg Favre to come back to save us. It’s so obvious.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^(Sarcasm)

  • Punk

    OK, we go 2-14 and MM fires TT. Then what? Does the new GM get rid of Harrell, Montgomery, Jolly, Kampman, Hawk, Barnett, Woodson, Bush, Harris, and Bigby? Capers and the other MM? What the hell would have been gained? Don’t knit pick those D choices either, because they just lost 14 games. Thats whats meant by the old cliche “throwing out the baby with the bath water”. This whole arguement has nothing to do with TT’s last 5 years other than the BF issue. If he wins, “he could have done it sooner”, if he loses, “he never was worth a damn”. If his draft choices go to the Pro Bowl Its all the player’s doing and if we don’t have any reps he can’t draft. The only consensus that brings us together is supposedley the fact that we all want the Pack to win, but sometimes I wonder. Easy to say, perhaps – given the odds, but I know there are those out there who will never give credit to TT even if we won the SB. Sobeit, TT will have to live w/ his decision on BF(directed, I think) forever, win or lose.

  • packer_bob

    Punk,

    Simmer down, dude, it was a joke! I was trying to be funny–that last bit is what I think some people think those of us that have problems with TT actually want to happen when it couldn’t be further from the truth.

    If we win a SB, I will be giving TT some big credit, let me assure you. And there’s no way in hell we’re going 2-14 or anything close to it imo.

  • Rocky70

    As usual, PB uses the most extreme analogy he can muster up.

    I’ll have many more recipes for people like PB & MH as the season progresses. …………. This ought to get you started.

    http://www.crowbusters.com/recipes.htm

    -

  • Rocky70

    This quote from PB will live in infamy.

    ” The Packers go 2-14, TT gets fired and we have to beg Favre to come back to save us. ”

    I think we all knew your ‘true’ attitude but it’s refreshing to receive it in writing. No more needs to be said.

    ^^^^^^^ (mostly sarcasm) …LOL.

  • Punk

    Nah, p_b I know you weren’t serious about that; what I was refering to was the FACT that many will never give TT his due, regardless of future success. They cover their ass, however, in the statement “I want the Pack to win too”. Hey, the die is cast and thats the way it will be as long as he is here. Every bad thing that happens will be a “told you so” moment. Since the Pack are going to big winners I suspect that this blog may shrink a little.

  • Rocky70

    @ Punk

    I know what you’re saying. … TT will never be accepted by that small group that you refer to. … Hell, there are websites set-up specificly to trash TT. I’m not saying some on this blog are part of that extreme bunch but how would I know. Some here may be ‘charter members’ of FireTTNow Dot Com.

    I’ve actually started to appreciate Bear & Viking Fans in the last year or so…. Who would’a thunk ?

  • Punk

    Rock, long-long-long time ago I was a Bearse fan! This is much more fun, and has been for (50) years. That includes the heartbreaking years of the ’70s and 80s. In those days there was a tendency to root for and follow individual players because the “team” just wasn’t there. Of course, everything is different now (even the league) but the worst had to be the Starr years when we were so pulling for him. Funny tho, even given the fact we should have been calling for his head, nobody could (at least that I was in contact with).

  • Punk

    You know, its funny what triggers a thought, but since Al made mentioned Lynn Dickey I jumped to Starr. I mean, we had Dickey, Lofton, Ivery and Ellis, Coffman, and a somewhat respectable D, but all for naught. Bart had some good drafts but lost a #1 to Canada, had a great pass attack, and even brought in Jefferson. Alas, he had some lousy luck, like the 5-10-1 ’80 w/ 27 on IR. See the similarity? “–it Happens”, like Forrest Gump said.

  • Matt Hayton

    PB some of these kool-aid drinkers on here are just afraid of common sense and judgments based upon wins and losses…it’s too bad, gives the rest of Packer fans a bad name…

  • packer_bob

    Matt,

    I believe both you and I have said we want the Pack to the win and that we would give TT credit if we were to have a deep playoff run or win a SB.

    My problem is with people that want to laud TT, MM, AR prematurely, almost like they are giving them credit for success we haven’t had yet but which they are sure is coming. We have had one winning season since Thompson has been here, that’s the bottom line. I’ll give him credit if and when he deserves it.

  • Punk

    You guys are getting very close, again, to the old question, – then why are you here? How can you root for an organization that is doomed to failure because of a lousy front office? It doesn’t make sense. Has nothing to do with Kool-Aid, Matt, its called loyalty. I see a huge difference between p_b and Matt. To begin with common sense and judgments have a major impact on wins and losses, but so do bad bounces and injuries. I’m not lauding TT, prematurely or not, but whether we make a deep run or not I think he has reloaded and its a good team – 6-10 or not. Its damned easy to know what caused the 6-10, its happened before. Good fans accept the bad along with the good, even through lean years. What spoiled brats some of you are!

  • packer_bob

    Punk,

    I am here because my wife would knee me in the balls if I tried to talk Packers to her this much.

    I am a Packer fan and enjoy reading and talking about them, that’s why I’m here. I root for them every Sunday and have never said the organization is doomed to failure unless we get read of TT.

    However it is perfectly reasonable to question if we are moving forward or backwards as a franchise if we can’t get a winning season this year. I’ll alway root for the Packers but that doesn’t mean I’m going to just blindly support whoever is in key positions in the organization. For example, I initially supported the Ray Rhodes hiring back in 1999 but after that pretty miserable 8-8 season, it was pretty clear to me he was in over his head and I think it was right to fire him after that one and only year.

    TT’s team is in place–this is his fifth year. We have a very favorable schedule. It is time to see some improvement.

  • Punk

    As an aside, p_b why do you have a problem with people who laud TT; what business is it of yours anyway? Doesn’t seem to be a matter of opinion to you, but rather, an irritant. Why? They’re FANs, just like you! Matt, you said you weren’t going to buy in until 9-7, again, why are you here? You don’t sound like the Matt Hayton who went to the practice.

  • Punk

    Amen, p_b that makes more sense than you realize. I do most of my posting during the day ’cause my wife works and when I post at night she’s asleep. Even my name change helped ’cause she hasn’t figured it out yet. Soooooo, Ah, I agree on the Rhodes thing, me too. I think we do have a major disagreement on MM/TT/MM though. I’m going to hold out on the losing record aftermath, however, since (as 2007/2008 show) a lot can happen beyond the control of a guy sitting in a box. I’ve said it before, a lot of this is up to the prima donna millionaires running around on that gridiron. I’m sure you would want support in your opinion to fire if he proves incompetent, I want support too if its beyound his control. Just saying he is responsible for everything that happens is just too, too, simple an explanation (ie: its his team).

  • packer_bob

    Punk,

    I don’t care if someone thinks TT came up with the idea of slicing the bread before selling it, I just don’t agree with it. Fans can have whatever opinions they want. Laud TT all you want, I just don’t see that much to be over joyed about yet based on the records of the team since he took over. If we have a bunch of success this year with a team mostly of his creation, I will give him the credit for it, I’m just not going to do it ahead of time.

  • Rocky70

    @ Punk

    See, we are kool-aid drinkers because if we were the GM our approach to building an NFL team would be similar to the approach TT has taken. Our approach is strictly based on football. ……… While PB & MH are being influenced (yet) by an event involving an EX-Packer which is now history. …. I like our optimistic view much better. ….. Our motivation has nothing to do with historical events. It’s based on knowledge, facts and loyalty —- not irrelevant fan emotion.

    The Bart Starr years. …. Who couldn’t root for the All-Time Greatest Packer to succeed as HC. Starr’s nine year record as HC was 52-76-3. His best record in any one season was 8-7-1 along with 5-3-1 in 1982 (strike shortened season). 1982 was the only year GB was in the playoffs under Starr….. No doubt GB kept Starr too long as HC but there was little fan revolt to replace him. ….Fans were loyal back then. More so than today. ………. IMO, the difference between the 70s & today is that the media just ‘reported’ back then instead of ‘creating’ stories as they do today.

    Unfortunately, fans like PB, MH & others (today) are easily led to believe stories that just may have little or no merit. ………..Like I’ve said in the past…..”led by the rings in their nose.”

  • Punk

    I see myself being led into the trap of admitting I’m a supporter of the team – win or lose. They’re right I’ll support the ’09 team management now, in advance. After the season we’ll see. I think I’ve seen enough to know that we are headed in the right direction. I’m not hanging the Troika for a blown knee or botched punt. Hell, Rocky, last year wasn’t anything we haven’t seen before with many a team. There always is a time to make a change, but I for one am a long way off from that with these guys because I see progress in the original intent. That doesn’t always show up in the win column but then GB is so unique in so many ways. No, it does not mean win at all costs or put everything on the line ($FAs) for one year. (5) years ? Thats a drop in the bucket. I still say this is a better team, with a better future than when they came in. Every single draft pick, every contract extension, every cut, every try-out, and even every play called is debateable. I’ll cry uncle when I see quit, not before.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    Quit putting words in my mouth. Favre has nothing to do with it, yet you keep bringing him up.

    Here are the season records under TT: 4-12, 8-8, 13-3, 6-10. I don’t know what stupid ass stories you’re talking about, but those are the facts, and to me that’s not good enough.

    Gee, you think maybe Starr got too many chances as HC? No, really, you think? No shit Sherlock. I’m not interested in waiting ten years to see if TT can get it figured out, or MM for that matter. If everything TTand MM have done is so great, we should be able to start seeing it by year 5, don’t you think? We should at least be able to go 9-7 this year, anything less and I’m ready to find a new guy, though I have little belief that TT or MM are going to go anywhere even if we went 6-10 again.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    PB from what I’ve seen if #12 goes down for more than 3 games you can kiss this season goodbye. The Titans overcame the demotion of Young because they had Collins. The Vikes had Frerotte who was able to win a couple of games after Jackson was injured. We don’t have anyone remotely ready to take over. Of course that would be an opportunity to work on our defense and run game, and we’d get a higher draft pick next year. TT might even learn how important it is to have a backup QB. So it wouldn’t be a total loss. But if #12 stays upright behind that line for the full year. Then there is no excuse for less than 8-8, none.

  • Michael Legat

    Packer Bob,

    Let me preface this by saying that your posts show you to be a pretty thoughtful, intelligent dude. You also seem to follow football to a not small degree. Which is why (and Punk keeps trying to say this more delicately than I) the fact that you keep fixating on the season record as the one and only criteria by which to judge both the current state and progress of the organization makes you either unnecessarily hard-headed or an idiot.

    Stating 6-10 repeatedly like some Buddhist chant by which you can shout down anyone who dares to feel that this team is in very good shape is tiresome. It is also shallow, sort of like arguing that a losing team should have outscored its opponent. Sometimes you attempt to dig deeper into why we had a crummy year last year, what may have been unavoidable, and what we tried to fix, but then just as quick you revert back to RoboStat – “6-10. 6-10. 6-10.”

    But I’ll momentarily humor you and ask you a question about 4-12, 8-8, 13-3, and then 6-10! Did you really expect us to go 15-1 last year and then 16-0 for the next 35 years? You don’t think upward trends in successful businesses are countered by the occasional downturn. You don’t think that after two significantly improved seasons, the following season just might an anomaly? People look at those records and see what they want to see, which is why using them as evidence of Thompson’s success or failure is amateur hour.

  • Rocky70

    ” Rocky – Even Rodgers (and Mc Carthy) admits his play has been inconsistent…and says there is a gap between him and pro-bowler like Brees…which is all I have been saying. ”

    I agree with this statement. However, if AR is being held responsible for the 6-10 record in 2008 then D. Brees, in turn, must be held responsible for his teams’ records during the last 7 years with SD & NO….. Only 3 out of 7 years he has started have been winning seasons. NO has finished 8-8 & 7-9 the last two seasons with Brees at the helm. …………….. You can’t apply one standard to AR without applying it to all QBs in the NFL.

    Obviously, Brees isn’t all that great of a QB if he can’t lead his team to a winning record….. How could he ever have been named to the Pro-Bowl ?

    …………Or you can view the situation as it really is……….. A team’s W-L record is a team statistic. …………. The media pins the W-L record on the QB & some fans fall for it. ……..”led by the rings in their nose.”

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Michael Legat, I believe what p-b was asking for this year was a 9-7 record. Not a 15-1 or a 16-0. What would you be satisfied with.

  • Punk

    Out of turn maybe, Mark, but I would be satisfied: IF, the conversion to be the only team in the DIV w/ 3-4 proves to be the correct decision, IF, hiring Capers was the right decision to install and teach the 3-4, IF, bringing in Greene to work w/ Kampman (and Thompson/Mathews) worked, IF, Harris can adapt, IF, the new conditioning regimen keeps starters off IR, and Raji y Mathews prove worthy of a #1. It will also satisfy me IF, Rodgers beats the sophomore jinx (I consider him to be kind of a 2nd yr guy) and the decision to replace BF proves right, and IF, Grant truly was a good pick-up, IF, Finley was a good draft along with Jenkins and Collins, IF, Woodson has ANOTHER good year, and if Flynn/Brohm or Brohm/Flynn show progress (I’m a patient man). Not sure, but TT probably had some input to these IFs, but we’ll see if they work out. Come to think of it the W-L record just might take care of itself.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Larry a lot of teams and players set goals for their year. What do you think would be an appropriate goal. p-b thinks 9-7 is ok. I think 8-8 would be realistic. Any ideas? You’re the most patient person on this board, what do you expect out of this year.

  • packer_bob

    Michael,

    I am focused on the 6-10 because it is our most recent record, but several times I have brought up the whole record of TT’s tenure. I have also said several times if we have a winning season this year 6-10 will look more like an anomaly in a general upwards trend.

    But you are what your record says you are. This is a competive, results oriented business. My expectation is results, regardless of who the GM is. I realize that any team can have a down year, but let’s say we go 7-9 this year. Am I supposed to be excited about that? What will that say about the decisions that have been made over the last 5 years?

    Maybe some of you guys will be happy regardless of record, but I won’t. That doesn’t mean I will cease to be a Green Bay fan but one good year out of 5 doesn’t get it done for me. If it does for you, so be it, but it sounds like I’m being faulted for expecting success. Well, excuuuuuuuse me!

    I don’t know how this season will turn out and neither do any of you. A case can be made either way, we’ll see. But I just feel if we can’t make hay this year with this schedule after 5 years of building the team, then something is wrong somewhere.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    Yeah, right, we’re all media dupes but you are too intelligent to fall for it.

    Where do you come up with this crap? You act like “the media” savaged Rodgers last year somehow. Everything I read talked about how well he handled himself, what a good season he had, etc.

    Rodgers had a good year last year, but he contributed to several losses and has said as much himself. Guess he has been brain washed by the media and is being led around by the nose. It would not be fair to say it’s Rodger’s fault for 6-10 (and who the hell has said that btw, everything in the media I’ve read blames injuries and the defense) but if you don’t think he has any culpability in ANY of our losses last year you need to have your head examined.

  • Punk

    Mark, you’re right to ask, my whole life was goal oriented, but that was personal and business. A fan goal is harder because of the lack of a control factor. But……….start the season 4-0, CHI/MIN cannot adapt to our 3-4 and our O is better. Next 5-1 in DIV because we MIGHT lose to MIN after they get they’re heads on straight and stay w/ (1) QB. The rest 5-5 or better, so I see 10-6 overall. The mix on the 5-5 doesn’t matter because of the “any given Sunday” rule. We will not lose (2) in the DIV; most are close to new signings and we win the Division. Playoffs tough because more teams familiarity w/ said 3-4. They should have a goal, but I think that would be “Playoffs” rather than 9-7, 10-6, etc. On the other hand I think you can get into the playoffs with 9-7 because we will NOT lose (2) to either CHI or MIN.

  • paul

    You guys talk more about yourselves and each other than the Packers…get over yourself and talk football….geezzzz

  • matt

    Paul,

    I couldn’t agree with you more. The people on this blog need to get a life. Talk Packers, not drama, disagreement and trying to win every argument. Every one of you has a huge ego. I am fed up.

  • packer_bob

    It’ll be a little easier to talk football after we have seen some, after this weekend for example.

    Here’s some football from this morning practice–Sounds like Mason Crosby drilled field goals from 53, 58, and 53 again, all right down the middle and with plenty to spare. Good to hear that!

    Anyone concerned about how thin we are at OLB with all the injuries we’ve already had?

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I think you guys have gotten a little overly simplified w/the record thing. How about their record “with”………… A 6-10 record with a healthy team is a little scary, a 6-10 record with a team decimated by injuries is understandable. Not to mention some of those gimmees on the schedule will improve, always happens.

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