He’s Batman

Yeah I know I’m a day late but I agree with the Ahman Green signing rather than bringing up Kregg Lumpkin from the practice squad. Green is a proven entity who can help the Packers right now. Thankfully the Packers won’t need Green this week against a woefully bad Cleveland Browns team that hasn’t even hit step one in rebuilding and now has 23 players sick with the flu. My biggest concern this week is that nobody from the Packers gets sick Sunday.

But back to the subject at hand. The Packers clearly made the right choice if that choice was Ahman Green over Dominic Rhodes. Green may be two years older but he forgot more about being an NFL running back than Rhodes will ever know. Rhodes’ last and only 1000 yard rushing season was in 2001, Green ran for 1000 yards in 2006 in only 14 games. Green never should have left Green Bay and was never a good fit in Houston even before he got hurt. Not saying this is a huge signing but in the final ten games of the season the Packers should get more production out of their backup running backs than they have so far, which has been zero.

In my opinion Green should be the number two back the day he suits up on Sunday, whether that is Sunday against the Browns or next week against the Vikings. Brandon Jackson is a complete waste of a roster spot if you ask me and Green will immediately make an impact in the short passing game. He will also improve the protection package which has been the biggest problem the Packers have had so far this year.

I can’t wait to see how this plays out because obviously if you compare Ryan Grant and Ahman Green in their primes, Green blows Grant away. Maybe the Packers get lucky and Green makes a huge impact, but even not, he is better than Wynn or Jackson.

Green is a class act and will also be a great veteran influence in the locker room. The Packers made the right move here.

  • jonnyfootballhero

    I’m just wondering, to all the TT/MM supporters…If the Packers go 7-9 or worse, do TT/MM deserve another year to get it right? If so, why?
    I don’t have a hidden attack or agenda, just curious. I am not a supporter and I’m just wondering what the reasons are for wanting to keep them. Maybe my mind can will be changed after reading your responses…

  • jonnyfootballhero

    “I’ll tell ya one thing, people are exposing themselves as not so true Packer fans. Here again, attack, attack, attack, and then cover yer butt with a stupid “I hope they (Pack) win, and I’ll be so happy”. BS!

    Yeah, right, a true fan can criticise, can’t they. Again, BS! Disgusting.”

  • jonnyfootballhero

    last post got cut off…

    “I’ll tell ya one thing, people are exposing themselves as not so true Packer fans. Here again, attack, attack, attack, and then cover yer butt with a stupid “I hope they (Pack) win, and I’ll be so happy”. BS!

    Yeah, right, a true fan can criticise, can’t they. Again, BS! Disgusting.”

  • jonnyfootballhero

    why do my posts keep getting cutoff?? the last two posts are incomplete and I typed a hell of a lot more than what’s being displayed?

  • jonnyfootballhero

    my point was that if I criticize or disagree with the Packers management or the decisions they make, I am not a TRUE Packers fan….what a bunch of crap!!! By that logic, if I disagree with the government or the Presidents policies I’m not a TRUE American either…. Seriously??? This logic is what is BS. I’d rather not be what YOU consider to be a true fan than to be a blind sheep! Enjoy the trip to the slaughter house…. baaaaaaaahhhhh

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Everyone’s getting a little testy and two separate issues keep getting put together. #4 and TT, it’s possible to appreciate and respect both.

    #4 might still be able to play but he took us as far as he could. If he were on our team last year or this we wouldn’t have done any better because the rest of our team isn’t that good. And, I’d bet the house that he’s not getting in to the SB without a ticket.

    I’ve been upset with TT but NOT because he dropped #4, I consider that a good move that’s proven out. It’s his bad moves that bother me. I don’t want him fired but I do want him to do better. I believe one more good off season by TT, like this last one, and we’ll dominate a pretty tough devision.

    I just hope we have a little less backbiting on this site. I seem to react badly when I see someone’s loyalty attacked, to me it’s ridiculous. If people are wrong in a criticism just give a rebuttal without the denigration, please.

  • iccyfan

    Matt Hayton Says:
    “explanantion on the tie:
    -NONE of this is easy for me, or for the rest of Packer Nation, no matter which side of the proverbial fence you sit on.
    -It is quite a quandary to have one of the greatest players in Packer history, playing for the enemy.”

    None of this should be difficult, nor should it pose a quandry. The truth about being a Packer Fan is very easy and can be summed up in two statements:

    1) A Packer fan always wants the Packers to win every game they play and I can think of no exceptions to this rule.

    2) The Vikings are our bitter division rival, ahead of the Packers in the standings, and there is NO reason any Packer fan would wish the Vikings success in the fourth game of the season.

    Everything else is superfluous!

    I challenge Matt H, Ray L, Mark, johnnyfootballhero, etc., to show me the error of either simple statement.

  • Rocky70

    iccy

    ” I challenge Matt H, Ray L, Mark, johnnyfootballhero, etc., to show me the error of either simple statement. ”

    You’re asking alot for any of these dudes to understand logic………. or simplicity……….. it’s not in ‘their best interest’. ………. Hell, I’m still trying to figure why MH used up nearly an entire blog (way back when) trying to convince everyone that Cutler was superior to AR ……….. That made no sense then nor would it make any sense now………… Go figure.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    I hope this isn’t too long, but I’ve got to get it off my chest. To begin with, why can’t I challenge ones loyalty to the Pack, I’ve earned the right thru quite a lot of bad times with the Packers. Timing is perfect because this is the eve of a great game to test what appears to be the OL for the next several years. Heres where I’M coming from:

    A true fan is loyal, is supportive, and encourages his team. A fan may disagree with a move, a decision, or even a lack thereof, but he does not constantly carp, harp, or attack his team incesantly. A true fan would surely understand that those in charge would be trying as hard as they can to improve the team rather than make, or not make a move based on EGO. A fan would recognize a mistake, hope it would be corrected, but not resort to calling those in charge, BarnOwl, Tubby, stupid, idiot, etc.

    Looks like we’re starting a rookie at OLT – frankly I’m going to hope for the best and not go around telling everybody we should have picked up Pace (whos not doing so well, I hear). When Colledge whiffs I’m not going to piss and moan that we should have picked up Faneca. If Sitton pushes his guy into Arod I’ll say dammit, but not come on this blog and yell “we never should have let Rivera and Wahle go”. And certainly I’m not going to cheer on another team to make my mgmt look bad in hopes they’re fired.

    When I do yell “uncle” and make a mgmt move it will be when I think they can’t handle the job anymore and I’m convinced there is somebody out there better who wants to come here. But, I will consider why things happened and not only that it did. Thats short sighted. You have to weigh the positive and negative and decide which side is dominant. Thats when I move. The trouble with moving on based on record only is that your reacting to the past and not the now. You let emotion take over. I think there are many positives on this team that bode well for the future.

    This game will make a giant leap for the rookie and those with less than 3-4 yrs on the OL………..Just my take!

  • Rocky70

    LT

    ” This game will make a giant leap for the rookie and those with less than 3-4 yrs on the OL………..Just my take! ”

    Alot of NFL players start their ascension as an injury replacement in a position that they are given little chance of succeeding by the so-called ‘experts’……… Here’s the quandry………… If TJ plays well…………. does he return to the bench when Clifton is healthy? ……………. IMO, I have little confidence in Chad anymore…….. he’s not only always one play away from injury but he’s slow & basically provides little run support…………………… Clifton, himself, started as a rookie because he was the better option at the time…….. Lang may be the better option now.

  • Rocky70

    LT

    ” To begin with, why can’t I challenge ones loyalty to the Pack, I’ve earned the right thru quite a lot of bad times with the Packers. ”

    Come on LT!…. Been there…. Done that….. argument means nothing in 2009….. How could you possibly have anymore keen insight than a pup whose knowledge base is a few NFL seasons & your knowledge base is only a few decades long……… Do you even know how to play ‘Madden 2010′? ………….. Loyalty ! …. You wouldn’t know loyalty if it slapped you in the face ……… Next you’ll be saying how loyalty has something to do with your spouse, family & friends……….. Pure rubbish!

    Sarcasm is good.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Hey, Rock, interesting take on Lang/Clifton. Would be tremendous, I would think, if your proposal came true. I further feel that Cliffy could be a very valuable backup for a few more years. I’d be pretty confident seeing him come in off the bench. Lets face it, as serviceable he and Tausch have been all these years, neither were the cream of the crop so to speak.

  • iccyfan

    “How could you possibly have anymore keen insight than a pup whose knowledge base is a few NFL seasons & your knowledge base is only a few decades long”

    Let’s compare:

    On one hand, LT possibly saw Jimmy Taylor play at LSU and definitely watched him under Lombardi in Green Bay.

    On the other hand, MH’s dad rooted for Jimmy Taylor when he played for the Saints.

    All sarcasm aside, IMO this really is the root of most opinion disagreement on this site. I was born in 1962 and I remember the tail-end of Lombardi Packer glory. That was enough to hook me and I devoured Packer history, reading everything I could find on the early years! There is no team, other than the Bears, who even comes close to matching the Packers for NFL historical significance! To me, Brett Favre is one star in the Packer galaxy and he shines no brighter than Curley Lambeau, Arnie Herber, Don Hutson, Johnny McNally, Cal Hubbard, Bart Starr, Tony Canadeo, Lavvie Dilweg, Paul Hornung, Ray Nitschke and many others. I didn’t even see most of those guys play, but they are the legendary Packers! It makes me extremely sad when so many here appear to think Favre is the embodiment of the Packer franchise…

  • 4205

    Lang, Colledge, Spitz, Sitton, Barbre

    If that’s the line that has the best chance to win – play them.

    Wells, Cliffy, Tausch – good players, no pro bowls.

  • 4205

    thanks for providing some perspective.

    No question Brett is a huge part of GB history – but only a part.

  • Rocky70

    Since we’re hitting on own personal historical connections to the Pack, I’ll add a few tidbits of my own………… Born in ’52 less than an hour from Lambeau…. eventually lived close enough to ride my bike to TC practices in the ’60s …. I remember vividly how huge all the Packers players seemed at the time …. (they actually were small compared to today’s players) …….. ‘Vince’ was the first adult I witnessed who openly raised hell & cussed up a storm….. I thought him to be slightly crazy & basically was afraid to get too close …… Max & the ‘Golden Boy’ were my favorites.

    ” It makes me extremely sad when so many here appear to think Favre is the embodiment of the Packer franchise… ”

    GB had Harlen, Holmgren & a slew of good assistant coaches…… Throw in Reggie……. GB was going to be good with or without BF in the ’90s ……… IMO, BF has his place in Packer Lore ….. it’s just not at the esteemed level anymore…….. He made this decision……. His Packer legacy is tainted, IMO.

  • iccyfan

    “BF has his place in Packer Lore ….. it’s just not at the esteemed level anymore…….. He made this decision……. His Packer legacy is tainted, IMO.”

    Not that I necessarily disagree with you, but I made it a point to not go there. My point was that he’s but one of many stars to wear the Packer uniform. If Matt Hayton is “all about wins, losses and titles”, frankly Favre can’t be considered amongst the other greats as his teams only won one of the twelve NFL titles claimed by the franchise. I will submit this opinion. In his first training camp, Vince Lombardi cut the #1 overall draft selection from 1959, QB Randy Duncan. He also shipped off Paul Hornung and Jim Taylor during his tenure. In short, there’s no way Lombardi would have allowed Favre to act the way he did, nor would Ray Nitschke have put up with it in the locker room. They must be rolling over in their graves at the turmoil Brett Favre has caused the franchise they loved and represented so well…

  • Rocky70

    iccy

    Good post………….. I’ll help change the direction………….

    ” Green Bay QB Aaron Rodgers: In five career October starts, he has completed 72 percent of his passes for 10 touchdowns, three interceptions and a passer rating of 110.3. He also looks for his fourth consecutive 100-plus passer rating this season. ”

    Keep on eye on #52 & #56 this Sunday…………. Both Matthews & Barnett are healthy & flying all over the place………… The Packer D will dominate the Browns.

  • iccyfan

    Hey Larry – My Cyclones just beat Nebraska in Lincoln without our starting QB or the Big XII’s leading rusher, both of whom sat out with injuries! There’s a “storm warning” brewing for College Station next weekend as Iowa State looks to beat your Aggies and become bowl eligible!

    P.S. This is Packer-pertinent as Mike Sherman is head coach at aTm!

  • Steve Cheez

    Thanks, Rocky, with all the other crap going on here, I almost forgot there was a game going on tomorrow.

  • Jordan Hayton

    I don’t understand why everyone seems to take criticism of the current regime as criticism against the Packers as a team. Charles Woodson criticized TT and Capers, but no one called for him to be punished or even ridiculed by the fans. Criticism can be of help, not that we (the fanbase) are necessarily heard and most certainly not included in the discussion of where the team goes. That being said criticism isn’t always healthy. It is ridiculous that everyone (including my brother) is taking this so personally. It is sad that we as Packers fans are at each others throats over this. Moving on.

    I am still concerned about Barnett one game doesn’t mean he is back to his old nasty self, but it sure as hell is encouraging. Same goes for Matthews.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Iccy, your 11:13 really says it all. Hell, I didn’t even see half those guys play.
    I’m jazzed about tomorrow, but I wish Spitz was in there to see the full look.

  • Oddball

    After reading this blog a long time before posting, I decided to remain out of this particular mudfight, but I find myself wanting to make a statement. Ok, gentlemen. All due respect must be rendered to the deep history of our team and to those among us who support and maintain that legacy.

    I was born in 1968 and have no conscious connection to the Lombardi era. Yes, I was raised on the stories and have met many of the players from that time in various events over the years. But I’m asking you to understand that, in some ways, that era belongs to you who lived it and saw those men play.

    People who came to fandom after those times seek their own ties and their own history. Who is the face of that team if not Brett Favre and Reggie White? Lynn Dickey? John Brockington? Wille Buchanon? Ron Hallstrom? David Beverly? I will grant that the Favre and White legacy is clouded, but it is the only true legacy of victory in my living memory. I can’t find it in me to chew it up and spit it out simiply because they wanted to keep playing longer than we wanted them.

    I suppose the split here is natural and unavoidable, but I won’t pretend to enjoy chewing the same tired piece of leather every week.

  • Oddball

    On to Cleveland.

    Aside from winning, the score matters less to me than the line play on both sides of the ball. My best result on this game is Rodgers never getting touched, a hundred yards of rushing before the 4th quarter, and repeat images of Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis laying flat on their backs.

    Rush the ball
    Pass Protect
    Pressure the QB

    Let the score fall where it lands.

  • iccyfan

    “I will grant that the Favre and White legacy is clouded, but it is the only true legacy of victory in my living memory. I can’t find it in me to chew it up and spit it out simiply because they wanted to keep playing longer than we wanted them.”

    Nobody, and I mean nobody, has ever said that you should. However, the strategy you’re evoking is a far cry from the following…

    “6. If the Vikings are ever to win a SB in their sorry existence, then it might as well be w/our ex-Quarterback.”

    You can add all the qualifying statements in the world to that sentence and it still won’t play; no true Packer fan can envision any scenario where the vikings winning a Superbowl is a desireable outcome.