He’s Batman

Yeah I know I’m a day late but I agree with the Ahman Green signing rather than bringing up Kregg Lumpkin from the practice squad. Green is a proven entity who can help the Packers right now. Thankfully the Packers won’t need Green this week against a woefully bad Cleveland Browns team that hasn’t even hit step one in rebuilding and now has 23 players sick with the flu. My biggest concern this week is that nobody from the Packers gets sick Sunday.

But back to the subject at hand. The Packers clearly made the right choice if that choice was Ahman Green over Dominic Rhodes. Green may be two years older but he forgot more about being an NFL running back than Rhodes will ever know. Rhodes’ last and only 1000 yard rushing season was in 2001, Green ran for 1000 yards in 2006 in only 14 games. Green never should have left Green Bay and was never a good fit in Houston even before he got hurt. Not saying this is a huge signing but in the final ten games of the season the Packers should get more production out of their backup running backs than they have so far, which has been zero.

In my opinion Green should be the number two back the day he suits up on Sunday, whether that is Sunday against the Browns or next week against the Vikings. Brandon Jackson is a complete waste of a roster spot if you ask me and Green will immediately make an impact in the short passing game. He will also improve the protection package which has been the biggest problem the Packers have had so far this year.

I can’t wait to see how this plays out because obviously if you compare Ryan Grant and Ahman Green in their primes, Green blows Grant away. Maybe the Packers get lucky and Green makes a huge impact, but even not, he is better than Wynn or Jackson.

Green is a class act and will also be a great veteran influence in the locker room. The Packers made the right move here.

  • packer_bob

    I like the Green signing as well, but let’s face facts. I hope to hell he has something left in the tank, but when I say that, I mean enough to pass block, run short yardage and catch out of the backfield once in awhile. (And stay healthy enough to actually play his position, that alone would be an improvement.)

    He knows the offense, should be a good veteran in the locker room and all that rot, but bottom line we are picking up a 32 year old retread to do the job that Jackson and Wynn haven’t. I hope he can prove me wrong, but the fall off of veteran backs as they age is usually precipitous, so thinking we’re going to see anymore than a guy that can hopefully be competent for 10 plays or so a game is wishful thinking to me. If we can get that, I’ll be happy and at this point that’s really all we want out of him, imo.

    I don’t mind the pick up, but it speaks to the deficiencies we had before the season even started. I know about his Batman fetish, Al, and it was neat that you brought it up.

    Let’s just hope he brought his utility belt with him.

  • ChrisAZ

    I guess we’ll see what happens. I believe Green will help the team, but it’s obviously only a one year stint. I think the packers might be gearing up to make a big move at running back for next season if grant doesnt show up soon.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Amen, Chris…….! Just for the hell of it I jumped onto a BUC site because the article was about a team in rebuild mode. Amazing how the posts are so similar to those on this site. Lousy picks, letting certain vets go, not enough super FAs, lousy coaching, etc. and sitting on too much cash reserve.

    BUCS unlucky, then went on to point out that MIA did the same thing, but got lucky. Kind of reminded me of our ’07 and ’08 in reverse.

    I was somewhat negative on Green because of health issues and didn’t think he could finish the season with those knees if used as Grant is. If the intent is to use him as a 3rd down guy as a substitute for Jackson, I’m all for it. If he proves out he could be with us for more than the one year contract in a “role” capacity. We’ll see.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I’ve got bad news for some of you guys……… This team is getting better each week. Get rid of some stupidity and they’ll be fine. Alot has been self inflicted. They seem to be a few adjustments away from getting things where they need to be. Four blocking faults stand out. Two where the tackle blocked the guard instead of the end on a passing play, not sure why. Two blitzes that came from the left gap and the RB was far right. Center him better, cause Barbre is getting a little better every week. Their running game seems to be suffering from lack of push and more of a just trying to get in the way mentality. If I never see the empty backfield again in my life, I’ll be happy. Just don’t gain enough w/one extra receiver vs. the other options that keeping a back in gives you. There’s not enough time to look five receivers on that play anyway unless your going to use them as blockers on a quick pass. Refs were assholes again!!! Picking on Clifton once again (very ticky-tacky). A blocking penalty on kick coverage team LOL!!! This team is young, they’ll have some stamina at the end and are only going to get better w/game experience. I’m standing by my playoffs and more prediction, though I didn’t see the O-line blocking problem coming (at least quite this bad, though some of the sacks actually are OK). Kampman has looked good to me no matter what everyone else seems to think. He’s been getting the shit mugged out of him, surprise, no calls. The D will only get better each week also. By the end of the year, things should be peaking. Nice flea-flicker!!! Rest the guys that are injured this week, don’t think they’ll be needed for the Browns. I’ve noticed some passes going to WR’s that are covered (single covered) by teams this last week. Don’t think any turned out bad, some didn’t turn out, some did. AR needs to take that shot sometimes even when they’re covered cause more times than not you get an incompletion, completion, or pass interference.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Pack4 inadvertently helped me make my case calling for patience w/ our OL. He cited the NYG as being an excellent OL and I agree. Seubert, O’Hara, and Snee are in their 5th yr. McKenzie is a 4th yr guy and Diehl has been there 7 yrs.

    Those guys went 6-10 in ’04. NYG switched QBs, w/ Manning replacing Warner and the group has now played together for at least 4 years……It makes a difference.

    The only exception I’ll take with you DA is that I don’t think they should rest anybody. I’d risk the injury for the cohesion.

  • packer_bob

    DA,

    If the team is getting better, why would that be bad news?

    I think you’re being awfully presumptious with that statement also. If we got to play the Lions B-squad every week, we would definitely look better each game. Unfortunately, our three week bye ends after this week. Then we’ll see if we’re better or not.

    LarryTex, there’s no doubt that luck is part of the game, on the field, on the sidelines with the coaches and in the GM’s office. That’s why evaluation isn’t on a one game or even a one season basis. I think over a 5 year run, luck tends to balance itself out and you can make an accurate assessment.

  • Matt Hayton

    LT-
    from the last thread. The pro-bowl WR I was referencing was DD. And yes they went 4-12, but they also went to the playoffs the previous 4 years in a row (they were 4-5, in that tenure; while this crew of screw-ups is only 1-4, soon to be 1-5, if that OL doesn’t get drastically better! I don’t buy your bag of shit story. And I find it quite convenient that the injury bug excuse only works for TT. MM and AR and not for BF, MS and BH (when they truly were raveged by injury and their record was off by 6+ games of their previous 3-4 years W-L record). Sherman was a bad GM. The second he drafted that punter, though, he was on his way out of town. Everyone eventually has to pay fro their mistakes, MS for drafting a punter, etc.. TT for a piss-poor OL and if Favre even gets close to a Lombardi trophy in purple it will be TT and MM’s asses that pay for it.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    I do not challenge that logic p_b everything runs its own course. BUT, its sure bad luck to have these constant injuries for two years in a row. I also, agree that the injuries tend to average out for everybody, but teams that have them do not win.

    We’ve played around the injuries at every other position on the team, including RB, but its most taxing on a young OL that needs to work together to find out all the idiosyncrasies of one to another. They’ve got to do it in games, not practice.

    You know p_b, as well as I do, there are some who post here that would NOT be happy w/ a SB under this mgmt, regardless of their protest to the contrary. It will be either too late or they got extremely lucky or the other team laid down or something else; but not because of the expertise of the group who got rid of Favre.

  • Pack4life

    Ahman can actually break tackles, I believe at this but I believe Sutton was a better option.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Once again you proved the point I made above, Hayton.

    Of course that 4-12 was due to injuries, just like the 6-10; and I might add our current 3-2 as well. Agree or not, doesn’t matter, it is what it is……!

  • roy jamison

    The signing of Tauscher and Green may be a blimp in TT thinking or an admission that guys like that are better than a Lumpkin or a Meredith type player who are young but have no clue. I think there is some wisdom in having guys like that in the lockerroom who have been there before and know what is expected.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Why so bitter, Hayton? If BF gets a MVP or playoff slot you’ll be the happiest guy on the blog. I may be alone in this, but I’ll go so far as to say you’d be happier than if Arod did, because it would destroy every point you have made for over a year. Opinion, of course, but reading between the lines of your posts……….Hmm.

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    You are not alone LarryTex…

  • Rocky70

    ” You know p_b, as well as I do, there are some who post here that would NOT be happy w/ a SB under this mgmt, regardless of their protest to the contrary. ”

    This is true & so obvious…………. It’s funny that some haven’t learned by now to be a little more clever in their wording ………. they always expose themselves as the “Anti-TT/BF Bwashing” Packfan that they obviously have become somewhere along the line…………….. It would have been wiser for them to just switch teams when BF ended up as a Viking ……….. Less hypocrisy.

    Look for them to fade away as GB’s record improves………

    If he can stay healthy, “Batman” will pay dividends besides become GBs all-time leading rusher…. He deserves it.

  • Reid

    LT-

    You are definitely not alone.

  • 25 Yrs Pack

    I agree with the SB theory. I see a lot of oppostion to Mike McCarthy Way or Ave. if he were to win a SB here.

  • 25 Yrs Pack

    Ha, and if the sign did go up, it would need a 24 hr surveillance camera on it

  • iccyfan

    This blog makes me feel like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day…

  • 25 Yrs Pack

    And thats just MM, TT could have 2 fists full of rings and get no respect. He’d be walking around like Rodney Dangerfield the rest of his life.

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    At least the sign would be clean…

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Wow, the not so silent majority!

    But on a serious note, Clifton and Spitz doubtful. See what I mean about staying in that trench, together, long enough to work on cohesiveness? It just can’t be done without knowing the guy next to you. (My assumption, I played round ball)

    I can see faulting the Troika for not having the right people; what I am asking, however, is how do we know when they haven’t been together for those eight quarters I’m asking for? Which brings up another point, the penalties. Cliffy, for gosh sakes. How do you blame that on anybody off the field? The guy does it for 10 years and gets called 4 times in one quarter? Are the injuries due to trying to over compensate or reaching beyond their collective capability, I sure don’t know the answer.

  • roy jamison

    Iccy, this Bud’s for you!
    Ned: Phil? Hey, Phil? Phil! Phil Connors? Phil Connors, I thought that was you!
    Phil: Hi, how you doing? Thanks for watching.
    [Starts to walk away]
    Ned: Hey, hey! Now, don’t you tell me you don’t remember me because I sure as heckfire remember you.
    Phil: Not a chance.
    Ned: Ned… Ryerson. “Needlenose Ned”? “Ned the Head”? C’mon, buddy. Case Western High. Ned Ryerson: I did the whistling belly-button trick at the high school talent show? Bing! Ned Ryerson: got the shingles real bad senior year, almost didn’t graduate? Bing, again. Ned Ryerson: I dated your sister Mary Pat a couple times until you told me not to anymore? Well?
    Phil: Ned Ryerson?
    Ned: Bing!
    Phil: Bing.

    ——————————————————————————–
    Ned: Phil?
    Phil: Ned?
    [Punches Ned in the face]

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    I just think this team is STUPID ( unnecessary, overboard, away from the play, etc.)PENALTIES away from turning the corner. They’ve blocked some nice runs that have been called back on questionable penalties away from the play, penalties that weren’t, etc. Some clever playcalling and coaching would help also. I had the refs down for at least 5 questionable calls this last game and they seemed miss any and all Viking penalties in that game. As they make more and more safety rules, try to get the scoring higher and higher, put more and more calls and basically outcomes of games into the refs hands, the Big Brother NFL will become more and more of a joke. Then again that’s the way society is headed if something isn’t done. Wait til they start mailing out speeding tickets from highway cameras….. will help the budget though.

  • Jordan Hayton

    LT- You are right and wrong about my big bro. Would he feel some sense of satisfaction that TT and MM were proved wrong about BF? Yes, as would I. However, he would love nothing more than to be proved wrong about TT and MM. He would love to see Arod win an MVP.

    The problem is it seems TT is consistently failing in making a decent OL. He dismantled one of the best in football when he came here, which lets face it Rivera probably had to go, but then he has only put second rate talent there since. Clifton and Tausch made it possible for it to look decent for the first few years, but now that they are aging what do we have? I guess we will find out on Sunday if Lang has a shot to be a long term solution at LT, Sitton has a shot at RG, and Colledge is adequate to good at LG.

    The fact is the “factions” you all rant about are just passionate Packer fans who differ in opinion. Some are optimistic others pessimistic and still others are wait and see. A SB victory and all is forgiven, another 6-10 season and change is imminent.

  • Jordan Hayton

    Just gonna throw this out there DA. Your posts on this thread aren’t very consistent.

  • Pack4life

    ON the improvement of the team the Defense has shown improvement over the course of the year. The offense is erratic and frustrating to watch. I am exploring a theory: one reason MM is in love with the long ball; a Rodgers throws a nice long ball and has plenty of weapons. b too much uncertainty up front to rely on consistent drives to win games.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    J. Hayt…………. I tend to be off in my own little world a bit.

    Just saying I think these guys are capable, if they just use their damn heads a bit. And if I were MM, I’d be scanning tape of other games to make sure the refs are calling the same penalties against other teams that they’ve been calling on the Pack. Send in a little film in, if they’re not…….

  • Jordan Hayton

    DA- I see what you were saying now.

    Pack4life- reason b makes no sense. The long ball takes the longest time to protect for and Arod is running for his life already. The only consistent way we can throw a long ball is on a boot.

    I think MM is a good coach he is just trying to outsmart himself. I also think that he has to find a way to make his players not want to get penalties. I dunno put a certain number of penalties and they have to practice full pads on monday. Some kind of motivation. Something has to get done.

  • Pack4life

    Here is a question Chad Clifton gets healthy and Tauscher still not available, do you move Lang to RT?

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    Did you see where Jets coach Rex Ryan benched the two players who got personal foul penalities last week? I bet they learn their lesson. Penalties are the easiest thing in the world to fix. Just like fumbling. If you do it you don’t get on the field. Period. Until McCarthy shows some of this “Pittsburgh macho” that Thompson was so high on when he was hired these penalties will continue to happen.

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    P4L – I sure hope not!

  • Oddball

    DA -

    Penalties alone don’t explain the lack of pass rush, lack of productive rushing when we really need it or the sacks on Rodgers.

    I expected the defense to be a work in progress this year, but the O-line just looks like hell so far. All that being said, I’m not going to judge too harshly at this point. Assuming we whip the Browns, I figure the season starts in earnest against the Queens at Lambeau. Win those two games and go against the Bucs with a 6-2 record, and even this realist will be looking up.

    Honestly, there’s nobody on the schedule that’s looking really scary at this point. I expect the Queens to put up a fight, and Pittsburgh will almost certainly play tough. San Fran getting Gore back could give us a workout, but it will be at home. Dallas isn’t exactly lighting the ranch on fire, and they’re coming to Lambeau as are the Ravens. The Seahawks and Cards? Lions and Bears?

    Is there any game there that shouts “We just don’t have a prayer on that one”? Pittsburgh maybe? 9-7 or even 10-6 just doesn’t look so far out of reach when you consider the schedule.

  • Oddball

    Sorry – choked on the record thing. Was getting ahead of myself and counting the Bucs out . . .

  • iccyfan

    Jordan Hayton Says: “You are right and wrong about my big bro. Would he feel some sense of satisfaction that TT and MM were proved wrong about BF? Yes, as would I.”

    Jordan – Matt commented multiple times prior to the Packer / viking game that he “hoped it would end in a tie because neither TT nor BF deserved to win.” I believe he showed his true colors with that one, namely he places Brett Favre above the Green Bay Packer organization. No true Packer fan ever wants less than a victory for the Packers, nor do they cheer for a division rival ahead of them in the standings.

    Matt’s words (along with a couple of others – Mark comes to mind when he was happy Favre’s TD pass beat the 49ers) differentiate them from the rest of the herd.

  • Matt Hayton

    LT-

    Thanks, Lil Bro, well said.

    Let me add to that & set the record straight, in this particular order:

    1. The Packers winning a SuperBowl is what I care about more than anything else, including being right or wrong. (This is something, hopefully, we all agree on!)

    2. I don’t think TT and MM are the right guys to lead us to a SB Championship.

    3. Since I believe #1, I would rather be WRONG about MM and TT and win a Super Bowl with them NOW. This year, next year, whatever- bring it on!

    4. If we don’t go to the playoffs this year, after 5 years of this regime, then winning a SuperBowl ain’t gonna happen and they should be fired.

    5. If the Vikings win a SuperBowl with our ex-Quarterback, I want someone’s head and I want it now.

    6. If the Vikings are ever to win a SB in their sorry existence, then it might as well be w/our ex-Quarterback. So we can rub that in their faces until the end of time!

    7. But If TT and MM are NOT going to get fired, no matter what the Vikings do, then I hope the Queens lose ALL of their remaining games and Favre breaks something against the Steelers on Sunday, so he can’t play another game.

    And if for some reason all of this makes less of a Packer fan, I’m fine with that, that’s your opinion. But, I sleep good at night. My guess is that TT and MM do not, these days.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    iccy, glad someone reads my posts. I also posted that I hated(still do) the Raiders but loved seeing Blanda come off the bench to win 5 last minute thrillers after he turned 43. No championship for the Raiders but fun to watch.

  • Matt Hayton

    Iccy-
    explanantion on the tie:
    -NONE of this is easy for me, or for the rest of Packer Nation, no matter which side of the proverbial fence you sit on.
    -It is quite a quandary to have one of the greatest players in Packer history, playing for the enemy.
    -Like I said then, I think both sides were wrong, and I thought a tie would have been fitting. The equivalent of that, of course is to split the season series, which is obviously what I am pulling for.

  • Matt Hayton

    Also, sidenote-
    I rooted for Lofton as a Raider, Paup as a Bill, Reggie w/Carolina, Freeman as an Eagle and my dad cheered for Taylor as a Saint.

    Think Reggie is the best recent example, I remember Carolina was close to going to the playoffs that year (don’t think they ended up making it though), but I was pulling for them to make it. If they would have made it, I would have been rooting for them to win a SuperBowl, because we didn’t make the playoffs that year (1 of the 3 out of 16 years w/favre and co., we didn’t make it) and I love me some Reggie.

  • Rocky70

    ” The Packers winning a SuperBowl is what I care about more than anything else, including being right or wrong. ”

    ………… Ya, and a stick in the eye actually feels good…. LOL.

    Sorry, your most recent post doesn’t negate all the rest………. A little consistency is in order………

  • http://Orlando Mark

    BTW I watch football for the fun of it. If I see something interesting I like to comment on it. No big deal. If you get something out of what I post great, if you don’t, sorry. But I won’t question your love of the Pack, don’t question mine.

  • Matt Hayton

    Rock-
    why don’t you do one of your frickin searches on the last 12 months of my posting and see how many times you find that statement on this blog. I would bet I have said that statement on this blog, no less than 25x.

    I am consistent, that is your problem with me.

  • Rocky70

    ” Rock-
    why don’t you do one of your frickin searches on the last 12 months of my posting and see how many times you find that statement on this blog. ”

    You really don’t want to challenge me concening this issue because the bottom-line truth is I could make you look silly with your own words……….. I don’t need to do it because you do it all by yourself ………… you don’t need any help from me.

    BTW, FYI, in BF’s 16 years in GB, he led GB to 11 playoff appearences….. That’s 5 non-playoff teams as opposed to your claim of 3….. Please, a little more accuracy on your part would help.

  • Rocky70

    Hey………… a little change to more pertinent issues…… who thinks Clay Matthews will be big the rest of the year on the D………. add a healthy Barnett, AK with his hand down & Bigby back at safety….. Even BJ is back to full participant in practice…….. I think the Packer D is on the rise & the key to the season….. You can say it was only the Lions but a shutout could very well be a predictor of things to come……

  • RayL

    MATTHayton – Good stuff. Just b/c an ex-packer goes to another team, does not mean we can’t wish them success, especially BF. He had virtually the same O-Line when they went 13-3. MattH – BF just wanted the supporting cast around him to win another SB and TT foiled that plan. TT knew he had the 1 thing that BF did not and that was time on his side. Favre wanted to win now and TT said, I have a few years before I am forced to produce a winning team. BF would have won 1 maybe 2 more SB’s with the likes of Randy Moss, Tony Gonzolez or Greg Olsen, and Faneca. I believe that BF would have stayed if it weren’t for the fact that TT could have cared less about BF winning another SB. TT wanted to do it without BF and #4 knew that…..and Yes, Thats my Opinion before anyone says RAYL you need facts not just opinion.

  • justawake

    I love your list Matt. I feel the same way. There are a lot of Packer fans that agree with you and yes we are REAL Packer fans for life while others on this site blindly put their faith in the management that has brought only pain and division among Packer fans everywhere.

  • Reid

    Too much drama for me – I’m out to watch some Chuck Norris movies and drink some beer until Sunday, but I’ll still drink some beer on Sunday, but I’ll watch the Packers kick the shit out of the Browns instead of Chuck Norris kicking the shit out of the entire country of VietNam. Too bad we can’t sign Chuck Norris as a free agent.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Darn it all, Reid, quit trying to pull Chuck off his ranch – he’s very happy. Besides he’d have to replace Hawk, because Collins and Bigby can hold their own. Another thing, did you ever think about how many penalties he’d get with that chop maneuver?

  • Matt Hayton

    oh no, we’re back to frickin’ norris!

  • http://www.packernet.com admin

    5. If the Vikings win a SuperBowl with our ex-Quarterback, I want someone’s head and I want it now.

    What the fuck is that? Why can’t I get Packers’ fans to this site? See ya!

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    I’ll tell ya one thing, people are exposing themselves as not so true Packer fans. Here again, attack, attack, attack, and then cover yer butt with a stupid “I hope they (Pack) win, and I’ll be so happy”. BS!

    Yeah, right, a true fan can criticise, can’t they. Again, BS! Disgusting.