Al, green is not a good color on you! You really have a problem! That is Green with Envy….and red with hate. Everything has been said that should be said about Favre on all sides. Botton line, he is making TT/MM look like egomaniacs. Favre is a jock, almost all jocks are divas. Grow up and smell the coffee. Enough Favre.

Sammy, please enlighten us on exactly how Favre is making TT/MM look like egomaniacs. While you’re at it what is an egomaniac?

I can’t stand the sports media – bunch of self-serving jackals. Personally, I watch Donald’s show and then allow the Fox guys to chat while I shower and shave, mix bloody marys, slice up sausage and cheese and generally get ready for game-time company. If Favre has been the topic of choice on ESPN, it’s only because nothing else is selling ad time these days.

With the Vikes playing as well as they are, Favre qualifies as feel good news. You have to admit, the Vikes going 8-1 with a 40 year old QB is an improbable run. He’ll be news if and when he blows up too. Just as they are lionizing him now, they will be picking his bones if things turn south.

The best thing for Favre would be to have a career-ending injury right now – better than James freakin’ Dean. The Packers (not Favre) are responsible for us being 5-4. Mortensen is a dick. I agree with Jack. They’re just trying to fill time and mix up the red ants and black ants.

Pissed off Packer fans probably mean lots of website hits for them.

Definitely a fine example of defeatism there Monty. I wonder why. The Packers have a winning record. Have you noticed? You want to sell the farm and bring in ‘studs’ to win now. You want to be focused on the present yet you dwell in the past and disregard the future. Your football philosophy is insanely ridiculous to me. Are the Packers really as bad as you think? Ted Thompson is building and maintaining a pretty solid team in my opinion. I have my doubts about the coaching but I feel the talent is in place and there is plenty of potential in Green Bay.

Dear ScottS

While being 5 and 4 is a “winning” record barely, we do not have any talent on the O-Line or in the backfield. Ryan Grant is not the long term solution to having a solid running game. Of course, if we had a Coach who knew how to install a solid running game, perhaps Mr. Grant would be more useful. Show me the talent if Mr. Grant were to get hurt. Tell me who can run screens, a stable of the WCO, with the current O-Line and running backs. If we would have had a solid running game in 2007, we would have beaten the Giants and gone to the SB. The reason Favre is having such a good year in Minnesota is because he has a solid running game with Peterson and Taylor. Show me the equal talent in our backfield of Peterson and Taylor? Mr. Thompson has had several chances to get top NFL talent but refuses too. He could have traded for Steven Jackson but refused, he could have traded for Randy Moss but was too cheap and the guy we could have traded, Aaron Rouse is no longer a part of our football team because he did not have the talent to play safety. Tell me why ScottS our O-line has given up a league leading 41 sacks when said Mr. Thompson has had FIVE YEARS to put the pieces in place. As you have seen in the two games against Minnesota and Jared Allen, when Chad Clifton goes down we have NO BODY to take his place. Why did Mr. Thompson not sign Levi Jones as a backup for Clifton? We have no swing tackles to take the place of our left tackle. Right Tackle has been a disaster zone. What of Brian Bohem, a second round draft choice, and Mr. A J Hawk, Justin Harrel Brandon “Action” Jackson who cant run the ball, Patrick Lee on injured reserve, Will Blackman, while a good return man cant play corner to feed his grandma. Jarod Bush a huge liability every time he gets on the field. No Mr. ScottS, today’s Packers do not equal the Packers of the 90′s and this is what I want to return to and Mr. Thompson and for sure Mr. McCarthy do not have the vision or balls to build us a true winner, not just one game over five hundred. If we have sooooo much talent why did we lose to a rookie qb and a team that had not won a game yet this year?

Sign the petition.

Thank God monty isn’t our GM – we’d be screwed… we would be the Washington Redskins.

Buffalo is the smallest city in the AFC and at one time they were the best organization in football with Bill Polian and Marv Levy. The rise of the Patriots was their demise. Packers will never let the organization detiorate like that.

C’mon, Reid, hang in there, we need you. Your last post on Kampy was right on. I want him to be the re-incarnation of Haley.

Al: “Mortensen made it sound like the two losses to the Vikings have rendered the Packers obsolete. Unless you are a Brett Favre suck-up and/or work for ESPN you are certainly more intelligent than to make a statement like that.”

Al,

You are on opposite sides of the table, but you are just as wrong as Mortensen. Was it not you that threatened to end the site off the strength of Favre beating us twice and even said, “Go Vikings”? Too many people, INCLUDING YOU, put ultimate value in those two games just because they were against Favre and not because they were NFC North, playoff-concerning games, etc. Favre did not ruin our season, and losing to them twice did not bring the end to our season, since other teams are faltering. What he did, in my opinion, was ruin the storyline that will be replayed for years and years like we still watch Montana and the Chiefs versus the Young and the 49ers.

What you need to now accept is that Favre is a 3-time, possibly 4-time, MVP, super bowl winning QB, with a loads of probowls, countless non-Packer fans, and a future hall of famer. People are NOT going to stop talking about him. People are not going to stop volumizing small news and making it big news. And possibly, POSSIBLY, he doesn’t do anything special to create his lovers in the media, minus perhaps Steve Mariucci. I’ve watched ESPN with numerous ppl saying Favre would be a bust for the Vikes and others dare not speak against him. Whatever. You can only control what you say on Packernet. Make it about the Packers and not Favre. You lead me to believe Favre really is bigger than the rest of this team, when we can’t stop talking about him.

Mike, nice post about ESPN being the MSNBC of sports. It’s a low blow but certainly well deserved. It would be nice if Fox sports would invest a couple of bucks to counter the decided viewpoints on ESPN. What amazes me is when you look at the pure stats and only one lowly opponent included in those stats, The Pack on defense and offense rank with anyone in the league. Now I’m not gonna hold my breathe waiting for ESPN to actually “search” for info.

Now admin, lets settle, remeber your Devil quote, this is what I said was coming, the entire world of reporters against the Pack, so lets just deal with it, the more we talk about it, the more we loose. But the prob is, like I said before, most of the country views the situation through the same eyes Mort does, we are the minority with first hand experiene. No point in arguing with anyone outside of Wisconsin on this, no win situation.

Just my take, all media is just trying to draw in viewers/listeners. They’re all full of hot air. They’ll scream how their opinion is fact.

Fox had Greta interview Favre and ran Favre’s bs side of this things without getting any takes from anyone in the Packers organization.

Back to football…

I believe in Lombardi’s philosophy. If the Packers execute, it doesn’t matter what anyone else does. Favre ain’t with the Packers, so what he does or doesn’t do is irrelevant. Packers win every game, they make the playoffs. Packers win every playoff game, they win the SB. It’s about the Packers execution, nothing more, nothing less.

Mortenson is broadcasting from Favre’s back pocket.

For Favre, as long as he is in the NFL especially the division he will always be a distraction to the Packers organization.

He didn’t “ruin” the Packers season. The Vikings hurt the Packers chances but Favre didn’t ruin the season. I wish when Green was one of the top RBs in the NFL Favre would have played as disciplined as he is in Minnesota, but then again maybe Childress is just a better coach then Sherman was. Sherman coached from Favres back pocket.

Favre hasn’t gotten it done in big games sin the 90′s For EACH big game the Packers won with him as QB over the last 7 years of his career he was the main reason for at LEAST 2 loses. As a Packer fan it pained me to watch him look like such shit till 2007 season when the Packers had a miracle year before he once again played like shit against the Giants. I just wanted him to go away.

Favre is like that nagging, bitchy, nothing is good enough for me wife that leaves her husband loses weight starts to drink less and be a better person. As soon as she feels comfortable in her surrounding she reverts right back to her real personality and gets divorced again. Just wait. The Vikings season will end in an interception from Favre just as all of Favre’s last few playoff games have. Remeber 6 pick in St. Lou 2 against Atlanta what about the one at the end of the Philly game and don’t even get me started about the Giant game.

Larry – I don’t think you have a great argument there.

The fact that players who couldn’t succeed here also can’t succeed elsewhere doesn’t speak well of their selection in the first place. The problem is that Thompson really needed 2-3 more successes near the caliber of Woodson to solidify our line and RB situation – or he needed to draft better at O-line and snag a running back from somewhere. (Could we have traded up for AP?)

Two starting O-linemen instead of Junius Coston and Will Whitticker and we’d be pretty well set now instead of watching our exceptional quarterback getting his head caved in looking for the David Carr trophy. Add a stud RB like AP or Turner, and I think this year might have been a great deal more gentle on Rodgers.

Catching my subtlety here? I’m not saying the man has destroyed the franchise; I am saying he seems to have been unwilling to pull the trigger when opportunities were there to bring in excellent players. Hell, I don’t know. Maybe he’s been working his ass off to do that sort of thing, and things just haven’t gone his way. Certainly it happens.

I’m sticking with my standards. Get to 9-7 playoffs or not. Show some fire. Protect Rodgers. Run the ball against solid competition. After this year, if there is an upgrade available at HC, I’d be pleased to see it happen. You could make an argument that it’s more difficult to judge the performance of the GM, but it seems pretty clear that Mike McCarthy is not in the “outstandng” catagory.

Last week should prove there are adequate groceries in the cupboard. I am not going to debate that any more should have could have. However the Master Chef is incompetent. We are expecting a five star meal and getting White Castle.
This is a dangerous game. Hopefully the defense will score this game because they have to carry the team.

You know the more I think of it we have the same example in Packerland history.
Lombardi bet the farm on the Anderson/Grabowski team and made his former DC look like a fool. Then came Devine and 20yrs of pain.
Wolf left a pretty good team behind and Sherman, I think, had an overall winning record with it.
Another similarity in those two senarios is that both stayed another year as GM after changing head coach. Lombardi in a sense firing himself as HC. Oh, well, its my Pack.

Think about this,,whenever the Packers make a big play they say the other team made a mistake on defense. When the Packers make a big play on defense they say it was poor execution by the other team.
However , when the Bears make a play on defense they say it was great defense by the Bears. When the Bears make a good play on offense once a year they say it was a great play by the Bears.
I think there is so many signs that the big market teams get the favorable headlines from ESPN and all the networks

I believe the tampa loss you could blame on Favre and the Vikings, after such a big loss, I believe the Pack came out a little down and out, but who knows maybe that tampa game is what the pack needed, a team that they thought they could just go through the motions with and win, didn’t happen. so then they came back and played to their ability and showed why people should still take them seriously, I think they won’t take another bad team lightly, that is why I see them winning a lot more games and have a great chance to make a run at the playoffs! Go Pack!

Andrew, your questions deserve an answer since you posed them. I’ll answer no. 3 – yes, and yes!

Alex Smith says “coach McCarthy taught me a lot about game management”. Good to know. Doesn’t Arod get criticized for lack of game management? I get so confused.

I just read that Buffalo picked up Brian Brohm from the practice squad. It really is too bad that he never turned into the player that many had picked to be NFL ready coming out of college. I actually met him at a Bergstrom Automotive meet and greet last november. Super nice guy, very intelligent. He sounded like he was more interested in coaching than he was in playing football (just my opinion). I got to meet Jordy Nelson the next day. Great guy as well. Again, too bad he didn’t turn out.

Hey Mr. AATP, I could do no worse then the current pair of fools. At least I know you need a strong running game and O-line to win in November and December and Mr. Randy Moss is way better than Aaron Rouse. For those of you who dont remember that year, I believe it was 2007, we had two third round draft choices. Ted offered a 5th round choice, the Patriot offered Oakland a 4th round choice. Ron Wolf always said if you want a player bad enough then get him, like Ted did for Clay Mathews. We can only imagine what our team would have been like with Favre and now Aaron Rodgers throwing to Randy Moss, but Ted could have offered our second 3rd round pick if he really wanted Randy Moss. According to Al Davis, Thompson didnt think Moss could run anymore (speed. So instead of using our second third round pick on Moss, we used it on Rouse, who never did much for us except the one touchdown against Indianapolis last year. Yeah I guess Ted was right about that one too, Randy can run, but he sure was able to help Tom Brady set the touchdown mark for a season at 50. Oh yeah, thank god Im not the GM, we might actually be able to compete instead of losing to teams that have rookie QB’s and no wins. I dont want to be the GM, but I can at least see what we dont have with the current one. If he is so great why are we only one game over 500 5 YEARS after he took the job. Why are we leading the league in sacks instead of touchdowns. IF everyone thinks the current roster and administration is so GREAT, then I guess Ill be seeing ya in Miami for the SB….NOT. Until Aaron Rodgers can take a snap and fully trust his line, we are not going to be winning any big games. If you read my first post, I want a administration and team like we had under Ron Wolf and Mike Holngrem. They knew how to build a team and win. Remember when Edgar Bennett use to run screens and Dorsey Levens etc. Watch the current group of linemen and backs. Even with Ahman Green who ran screens well under Sherman this group of linemen cant pull and run screens. They arent made to pull and run screens, all they can do is the ZBS which as we all see really has been a big success in GB. Oh yeah Ryan Grant is just running here and there..NOT. I am sure many of you have been Packer fans as long or longer than me, but I remember watching year after year of Packer teams that just couldnt get over that hump to win. From Bart Starr as our coach to Forrest Gregg, well thats how we look now..oh yeah we had a good game finally against Dallas…..but playoffs I dont see it with our current roster or administration. We went to the Championship game in 07 for one reason, Mr. Brett Favre period. He will be in the playoffs again, this Packer team will be home roasting weenies when the playoffs start.

Well, I don’t know how lively we make it Mark, but really just trying to exchange ideas. I may be the geezer here, but it seems like Monty is the one living in the past. No matter, since he probably spends more time on the MIN sites than he does here. I’d sure hate to be torn like that. Unhappy since ’07, terrible burden, can’t make up his mind whether to follow Moss or Favre.
Thirty-four line post and the only positive thing to say about the Pack is “like Ted did for Clay Matthews” and “we had a good game finally against Dallas”. Good way to prove your support for the team.
Oh, I know, the usual love the team, hate the coach and GM.