Moving on

I know this was a tough loss that ranks right up there in annals of Packers’ history, but I don’t put it in the same category as games such as these, rated in terms of pain.

1. The Super Bowl loss to Denver. Nothing else needs be said here.

2. The T.O. game when Steve Young falls down leaving center and gets up and throws the game winner with no time left. Still haven’t gotten over that one. More than likely the Packers would have had their chance to avenge their Super Bowl loss the previous season.

3. The fourth-and-26-loss to Philly. Sherman chickened out on fourth-and-one, Darren Sharper inexplicably was playing 35 yards off the line of scrimmage, and after winning the overtime toss Brett Favre promptly throws the game away with a moon ball that is picked off setting up the game winning field goal.

4. The NFC Championship loss to the Giants in Lambeau Field. The Giants miss about a dozen field goals sending the game to overtime and after winning the overtime toss Brett Favre promptly throws the game away with a moon ball that is picked off setting up the game winning field goal.

5. The loss to the Atlanta Falcons in the wildcard round that was the first Lambeau Field playoff loss in Green Bay Packers’ history. The Packers couldn’t stop Michael Vick and Favre threw two picks and completed only 20 of 42 passes as the Packers officially lost their Lambeau Field mystique.

Others receiving votes: The beat-down Randy Moss and the boys put on us in the 2005 playoffs; the six interception debacle in St. Louis in 2002. The Rams had 13 first downs and won 45-17. I was embarrassed to be a fan that day; the Bob Thomas field goal in 1983 that gave the Bears a 23-21 final game win knocking the Packers out of the playoffs and leading to the firing of head coach Bart Starr.

The loss to the Cardinals might be in the top ten but I just can’t feel that bad after the way the Packers fought back from a rough start and took it to overtime at 45-points a piece for crying out loud. This after being down 31-10 late in the third quarter. The Packers are a team on the rise and have a future MVP quarterback at the helm. Aaron Rodgers is just amazing. Even after throwing a pick on his first pass of the game on a stupid decision, he came back and threw for over 400 yards and four TDs in his first playoff start. Of course he had the big miss to Jennings in overtime that could have won the game, but if you’d said before the game we’d score 45 and lose I would have laughed at you. Rodgers will take the heat but it was the defense that let the Packers down in this game.

The Packers’ number two defense sure has a lot of work to do in the secondary. Head coach Mike McCarthy hired defensive Dom Capers to shore up the defense and in particular stop the run. Capers turned the Packers’ sieve-like run defense into the leagues best in one year. Year two his focus must be on bringing balance to the defense and shoring up pass defense. Part of that is looking at his own game plans too. Against Brett Favre, Ben Roethlisberger and Kurt Warner, Capers’ defense couldn’t get home when they brought pressure and were ripped to shreds. Even when they played coverage against those QBs they had little success.

The offseason is going to be a hard one to predict with the upcoming labor war looming, so how the Packers go about improving the secondary and offensive line is anybodies guess. Players they thought they might lose they might not and players they thought would be available may not be. I’m not confident the two sides reach an agreement in time meaning the salary cap is a thing of the past. But that is a story for another day.

I’m not in mourning by any means. We know there will be football in 2010, any lockout would not come before 2011, so the Packers have the opportunity to keep the momentum going. I think they will be favored to win the NFC next year by many. Even with the disappointing loss I think it will be a much smoother offseason than last year when the team was coming off a 6-10 record and had questions galore. The problems areas are well defined but the strengths certainly outweigh them at this point.

The Packers can beat anybody in the league and they are still young and growing. Just imagine what Rodgers, Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley are going to do the next five years. Records are about to fall.

I think I will have one final take on the 2009 season as a whole and then focus on 2010. I like my Green Bay Packers and we might be on the verge of something special.

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  • packer_bob

    Uhh, I’m not sure who the “us” is as I never felt that BF didn’t put it all out there.

    But you’re right, BF deserves his due.

    The Saints didn’t start the season 13-0 for no reason. Don’t fall into the “momentum” trap that so many (re: Rocky) have.

    The games are decided when they play, and the Saints have weapons and a pretty good defense.

    Whoever comes out of it, at least it’s not the Cowpokes, which does my heart good!

    (That and much beer. I’m saving what is left of the Three Feathers for what I hope is a Super Bowl run next year!)

    And we won’t see Rocky again for at least a week, as he can’t admit he’s an idiot douche. Maybe, MAYBE, he’d show up back here if BF throws 18 ints next week.

  • Sammy

    Roooccckkyy, where are you Rocky? Big mouth shuts hard…and then you run, just like after the Bucs beat us.Yes, I say us…I am with the Pack when they win,when they lose, with Favre, without Favre. I have called you out as a fair weather fan from the first day you posted just a mear year ago.

  • Rocky70

    I feel special for all the attention but I wish some of you would pay more attention to detail ………… A part of my post went like this …………

    ” The only way the Vikes pull this one out is if they win the turnover battle by at least +2. ”

    The Vikes won the turnover battle by +3 ……….. Another prediction right on course for the Rock ………….

    viking_bob …………. you’re a pathetic BW ………. Always have been, always will be…….. BTW, the Vikes & Lord Favre stand little chance against the Saints ……… BF has always been capable of winning a playoff game here & there but two in a row is something he has not done since season 1997 ………. That’s 13 years of futility for BF & will ultimately be another chapter of his tainted legacy ….. My score —– Saints 34 …. Vikes 13 ……… Then on to ‘will he or won’t he’ for the ViQween fans for the next six months ………

  • Rocky70

    Sammy & PB

    Gulligan & Skipper

    Abbott & Costello

    All Legends ……….. LOL.

  • packer_bob

    This is the pertinent part of your post, Rocky, though I will give you credit for showing up to take your lumps:

    ” ……… My score … Dallas 30 Vikes 16. ……….. Place your bets ………… Pretty much a sure thing.”

    That’s what you said, Nostradumbass. You only missed it by 45 points.

    I’d say the Vikings are outmatched on the road, but whether they win or lose, you’ve come undone.

    Trying to get your way out of it now is just pathetic.

  • packer_bob

    AWWWWW……..

    So much stupidity, and so little time. To wit:

    “That’s 13 years of futility for BF & will ultimately be another chapter of his tainted legacy ….. ”

    Like say, Dan Marino? I guess his entire career whas just an exercise in mass futility since he didn’t win it all. Must have quit on his team years before he made his decision public.

    Football is the ultimate team game, Rocky, or perhaps you haven’t noticed. Warner looked great against us last week, not so much yesterday.

    Romo looked great the last month, today not so much. Why?

    Because it’s a team game. Douche.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    I thought Dallas would win and I think the Saints will win because of home field. But I’m surprised at how well #4 is playing. I know QB is the most important position but it seems a little over hyped. The QB on the better team is more likely to win than the QB on the worse team. Otherwise how do you account for Roethlisberger’s first SB win or Sanchez winning in San Diego with 100 passing yds. I’d like #12 to be leading the best team next year even if that means spending money on a Faneca, Allen or Sharper. As a fan I can only hope for a productive off season while watching an interesting season run down.

  • packer_bob

    Mark,

    Right, Sanchez won with very little production.

    Flacco and the Ravens issued a beatdown to NE, in their house no less, and Flacco had maybe a hundred yards.

    There are more ways than one to skin a cat. As great as ol BF looked today, you have to give the lion’s share of credit to the defense. They held the formerly hot Cowboys to three points, for God’s sake!

    With 3 points total scored for the Slowpokes, as it turned out the game was won with the first TD to Rice.

    I agree, if I had to bet, I’d take the Saints next week. But whoever wins it all, you can bet they won’t show the defiencies we’ve shown this year.

    The glory positions get the credit for championships, and it’s all fans remember later. It’s usually the work that goes on in the trenches that ultimately decides the outcome of the game. Whether it’s sacks, TO’s, QB pressures, whatever.

    #4 is playing great, but those TO’s the defense create, and the play of the O line, sure help out some.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    P-b we’ve got a real chance next year. #12 is better than half the starters in the final four. But he’s got to get more help next year or we’re just going to be the next hot team that never made it like Dallas, the Chargers or the Eagles.
    BTW did you see the funny U-tube of Capers falling asleep in the booth. He must have been up 20 hours a day trying to figure out how to cover up for our #3 and #4 corners. Of course everyone would sleep better if we can get more of a rush from the left side.

  • packer_bob

    Mark,

    If that were his reason for falling asleep, I’d have preferred he found a better way.

    In fact, I prefer to think he must have had a pretty good about town. Otherwise, it’s a complete waste.

    Obviously, #12 is not our most pressing problem. The problems we have are clear, and need to be addressed.

    On that, we agree.

  • Rocky70

    @ PB

    “BF has always been capable of winning a playoff game here & there but two in a row is something he has not done since season 1997 ……….”

    My above statement is a fact ……….. Not an opinion …………… You can’t spin it ………. Starting with the loss to Denver in the SB, BF has failed to win ‘big’ with seven playoff teams ………. Face it, BF has rarely been a ‘big-game’ QB ……….. That, along with his character issues will relegate him to a tainted legacy as a GB Packer …………… Only those who have had a long & duped ‘bromance’ with BF (like yourself) see it differently ……….. But you can’t alter the facts ……….

    Suddenly, football is a ‘team sport’ in your eyes ………… I’d love to pull the numerous quotes from past blogs where you essentially give BF credit for all & everything ……. I don’t have the time nor inclination to pander to your absurd illusions concerning BF ………….. BTW, your posts are getting wordy again & lacking basic direction & pertinence ………… Try quality posts instead of quantity ………. You use alot of words but say little …………. Just a little advice …………..

  • Pete H

    yes, because using words like “bromance” in association with someone’s opinion, as well as using phrases that conglomerate everyone who doesn’t share your opinion into one big disillusioned group makes your arguments of the utmost quality.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Rocky, I ought to call you Rockhead. Nothing seems to get through to you. #4 wasn’t the only player on the field when we lost those playoff games, Nor did he design the game plans or set the roster. He was part of a team. Those TEAMS lost. There isn’t any taint other than the one you’re trying to lobby for. As for character, #4 is no saint but how much character does Belichik have when the championships he won were the result of cheating. Either you come out with this crap to irritate p-b or you’re a little unbalanced(the way the press overdoes #4 no one could blame you for that). If you can’t get over it at least stop the posts about #4 we’re all tired of it.

  • Pete H
  • AATP

    What really sucks is, I got my wish and the Vikings beat the Cowboys just like I was hoping… Feels great to see everyone hanging their heads down here in Cowboys land but it sucks cause I hate the Vikings equally… Can you say bitter sweet? Now I have to hope the Saints show up next weekend and put an end to the Vikings run. I still think we’re going to see a Saints / Colts SuperBowl but the Jets looked pretty convincing yesterday – maybe they’re the new Arizona Cardinals? How funny would it be to see Favre’s old team playing Favre’s new team in the SuperBowl and Favre’s old team beats his new team and Sanchez becomes “The MAN”… Personally I could really care less as long as it’s not the Vikings winning the SuperBowl.

  • JJ

    “#12 is better than half the starters in the final four”

    Better than Brees? Pfft.

    Better than Favre? Pftt.

    Better than Manning? Pfft.

    I’d even take Sanchez over Rodgers’ stats; at least Sanchez is not a choker.

    When his playoff game was on the line, Sanchez threw the winning TD.

    When his playoff game was on the line, Rodgers turned over the winning FUMBLE-6.

    Rodgers is the Romo of the North.

  • packer_bob

    Rocky,

    You act like BF has never been on a winning playoff team before.

    BF not a big game Qb? I don’t know those two SB’s in the 90′s were pretty big, he played awfully well in those. Was yesterday a big game?

    I’d submit every playoff game is a big game, the biggest in fact since it’s lose and your season’s over. He’s had success and failure, and usually proportional to the team around him. Such is the case for all QB’. If Montana played for the Packers in the 70′s how many SB’s you think he wins? I’d say 0.

    Test your own reasoning Rocky, because it demands that Rodgers lost the playoff game for us. Do you believe that? I don’t.

  • iccyfan

    The winning points in the Jets / Chargers game came courtesy of a 53 yard Shonn Greene TD run. The sole Sanchez TD pass benefited from field position, namely an INT return to the Charger twenty or so. I like to root for an under-dog as much as anybody, but Mark Sanchez did little in this game.

    Peyton Manning is possibly the best QB in NFL history. Drew Brees does a wonderful job incorporating the many weapons at his access in a high-powered Sean Payton offense. Favre is doing much the same in Minnesota. At this point in the Packers’ team development, I wouldn’t trade Aaron Rodgers (age 26) for any of them! Labeling him a choker because he got stripped from the blind side is the epitome of stupidity; that play didn’t affect me viscerally the way #4′s unnecessary picks against Philly & the NYG did….

  • Rocky70

    Someone has to counter the media-induced illusions of PB, Mark, Pete H., MH, Jay, Rick & now JJ (WTF is a ‘JJ’ & where’d he pop up all of a sudden)…………

    @PB
    “BF has always been capable of winning a playoff game here & there but two in a row is something he has not done since season 1997 ……….”

    The above statement is fact …………. Nothing more needs to be said………….

    @iccyfan
    ” At this point in the Packers’ team development, I wouldn’t trade Aaron Rodgers (age 26) for any of them! ” ……….. And ……… ” …… that play didn’t affect me viscerally the way #4’s unnecessary picks against Philly & the NYG did….”

    Couldn’t agree more ……………. Just a matter of facing reality instead of creating an illusion as some like to do ……..

  • packer_bob

    Just to be clear, I am not labeling Rodgers a choker.

    I’m merely saying that if you are going to employ the simplistic reasoning Rocky’s using, that it’s all about the QB as opposed to the team, it would demand that you say Rodgers lost the game for us.

    This loss didn’t affect me viscerally either, largely because we avoided the ugly blowout it appeared it was going to be and I wasn’t overly confident we were going to win in the first place.

    Basically, I’m saying that the Favre haters would be burning him in effigy on here if it had been him with the turnovers against Ari, while they give Rodgers a pass. So, it’s a double standard.

    And I have no disagreement on the upside of Rodgers. He has an opportunity to be one of the great ones.

  • packer_bob

    I’m not disputing your “fact” Rocky.

    I’m saying it doesn’t mean anything.

    So if the Vikings win this week, am I supposed to think more of BF, or less of him if they lose? Are you going to become a BF ball fluffer if he gets to the SB, as he would have won “2 playoff games in a row”? Are you suddenly going to genuflect to BF, will he then be a “big game” QB in your eyes? I somehow doubt it.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Right on, iccy. I would NEVER accuse BF, especially, or any other QB of intentionally throwing a pick, a game, or doing anything else to lose. However, while I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I do feel BF did everything he could to get away from the Packers for the last couple of years he was here, and his play and carelessness reflected it. Stuck his nose in the Moss affair and I am convinced there were a heck of a lot of off season phone calls we know nothing about(with you know who). That being said he IS where he wanted to be, all along, and is very happy. His controlled play this year only confirms my suspicions. While I might not approve how he went about it he got his wish, and, frankly, I got mine too.
    MIN is representing our DIV, and knocking them off their perch next year will be, oh, so sweet. It will happen because that team is the epitomy of now, and cannot be sustained. The proof will come when we jump over the next hurdle in becoming the DIV power with our proven “YOUNG” team with our own new found playoff experience.

  • Rocky70

    @PB ……….. I’m no longer concerned about what BF does as a player …….. He’s the starting QB for the ViQweens………

    The truth is all AR has to do is win 2 SBs as QB of the Pack & he will have accomplished more than BF ………….. Some are all strung out on stats & longevity & the media hype surrounding BF ………. The bottom-line is still winning the SB …….. GB had several very good teams in BF’s 16 years & only managed to win 1 SB …… Blame it on whoever you like but personally I hold BF accountable for much of the failure ………. BF is in his own little world on the field & unfortunately his play backfired more than once …………. Believe me, I’ve been surrounded by die-hard Packer Fans my entire life ………….. Many believe this.

    With the present GB roster & a few tweeks here & there, IMO, GB is headed to bigger & better ……….. GB is a 53-man team again ……….. Finally.

  • Rocky70

    I am waiting anxiously for all the books to arrive after BF really retires ………. The average fan knows little about all the possible shenanigans BF tried to pull throughout his career ………… Hinting at retirement as early as 2002 should have been a clear clue that BF was pulling a power-play of some sort ………. Eventually, we’ll find out why players like McKensie & Walker left on bad terms or why coming off 12-4 seasons GB couldn’t attract free agents to GB ………… Could it be that Shermie had one set of rules for 52 players & another set of rules for one player? ……….. NFL players don’t take kindly to preferential treatment …………. Ask the Jets …………….

  • packer_bob

    Did everybody forget how good Favre was in 2007.?

    Many of you act like he had 29 ints in his last season with us, or that he did that every year.

    Favre’s last season with us was one of his best ever. It’s a little hard to argue he had given up on the Pack or he was trying to play his way off the team with that being the case. We nearly made the SB for God’s sake! In fact he’s been playing at an extremely high level since 2007, with the only exception being the last few games of the Jets season where it was clear his arm was messed up.

    The idea that he’s where he wanted to be all along is an assumption at best. He wanted to come back to play for us and was told “the train has left the station”, remember?

    I agree that after we closed the door, he would have preferred to go to Minnesota as say the Jets, but the tenor of some of these comments is way overstating it.

  • packer_bob

    Were you in any of these locker rooms, Rocky? You act like you know something we don’t, like you were a fly on the wall or something.

    Just more speculative twaddle. I’m still waiting for that divided locker room you predicted.

    You’re the flippin kiss of death, the anti-prophet. Your prediction for a NO victory probably cinches the Vikes in the SB.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Over simplification, p_b, me thinks. BF was no better in ’07 than AR in ’08, statistically, and ’09, re playoffs. All three a long way from the SB.
    In any case, the future is with the Pack.

  • Rocky70

    @PB ……… You said ………

    ” Basically, I’m saying that the Favre haters would be burning him in effigy on here if it had been him with the turnovers against Ari, while they give Rodgers a pass. ”

    Firstly, labeling those who have never been enamoured with BF as you are does not make them “Favre Haters” ………… The term ‘hate’ is an abused term used by many inappropriately when referring to NFL players …………. I’ve never ‘loved’ or ‘hated’ any NFL player …………….. Distain is a better term.

    Secondly, BF’s turnovers have been a trend he set from day one in GB …….. AR gets a pass because he has yet to develope the trend of key turnovers in big games …… Seems fair to me.

    Thirdly, I know alot of people ……….. I’m not really concerned if it’s 1st hand info or second hand info or even further down the line………. But I do believe strongly in that old line ………. “Where there’s smoke, there’s usually fire.” ………. Time will tell.

  • iccyfan

    packer_bob Says: “Just to be clear, I am not labeling Rodgers a choker. I’m merely saying that if you are going to employ the simplistic reasoning Rocky’s using, that it’s all about the QB as opposed to the team, it would demand that you say Rodgers lost the game for us.”

    Bobcat – I was responding to JJ’s post and you happened to sneak one in between. Those who would even infer Rodgers is a choker, such as JJ and Matt Hayton in the past, are employing overly simplistic reasoning. As to your charge, I will again disagree regarding application of a double standard. Rodgers got stripped from behind; possibly he should have “felt” the pressure coming but he couldn’t know the backup LT would entirely fan on his block. BF in OT against both Philly & especially NY was not under pressure and had NO REASON to throw those balls up for grabs. I would never accuse him of having done it on purpose, but he chose to gamble at inopportune times. Truly those plays ripped the guts right out of me. I have no desire to talk about him further until after he retires, but I do not have it in me to cheer for him while he’s behind center for THE hated division rival. That part is very simple and uncomplicated…

  • packer_bob

    My point is not complicated: Favre gets remembered as the guy who lost these games, like Philly and the Giants, by those that either never liked Favre or have an ax to grind to now.

    I think it’s silly to say that, as there is much more to those games than just the OT turnovers. Favre made bad decisions at a poor time, Rodgers did the same. Didn’t our offensive coordinater say Rodgers needed to get that ball out in OT? What about Rodgers first pick in that game? Sure didn’t help our start.

    My point isn’t to denigrate Rodgers. I don’t hold him to blame for the Ari loss, and I don’t hold BF personally responsible for the Giants and Philly losses. Just trying to point out that had the same plays been made by BF for us in the Ari game, I think many of you would be squawking that Favre lost the game for us.

  • Rocky70

    @PB

    ” You’re the flippin kiss of death, the anti-prophet. Your prediction for a NO victory probably cinches the Vikes in the SB. ”

    In all reality, now that GB is done for the year, I’m not concerned who wins the SB …. If BF winning the SB meant that he’d retire for good ……….. I’m all for it ………… The only predictions I make that I consider to be serious are those involving GB ……….. The rest are no different than flipping a coin ……….

    My predictions for GB in 2009 were to finish 10-6 & at least pull out a win in the first round ………… They didn’t ………. But it’s close enough for me to feel optimistic going into 2010 ………. Even with their flaws, their best players are just heading into their prime years ……….. GB will be the team to beat in the North Division for the next several years ………. You can bank on it …………..

  • packer_bob

    Well, I hope you’re right Rocky but your track record isn’t very good.

    The Vikings were going to lose to us twice, BF was going to divide the locker room, he was going to fade down the stretch, etc. etc. You were right about 10 wins or better, but many of us, including myself that were expressing doubts about the relative strengtj of our team were calling 9-7 or 10-6 just based on a weak schedule.

    Just about everything else you’ve opined about has been dead wrong. Hope you get on a roll but when you say something like this it scares the shit out of me:

    “GB will be the team to beat in the North Division for the next several years ………. You can bank on it …………..”

  • Rick

    iccy I agree about the Dirty Sanchez.
    Sanchez’s TD was alsofrom his wide receiver pushing down the defender and getting away with the call in the end zone. He does not look off defenders well. I keep seeing Akili Smith when I watch him play but an Akili on a good team.

    I also agree that I would not trade Rodgers for any of the final 4 QBs in the playoff. I admit Manning would be EXTREMELY tempting but we have more year with Rodgers than with Peyton.

  • Rick

    p.s. I mean trading for Peyton and giving up at least what the Bears had to give up (swap QBs and two #1s and 2 #3s)
    would just not make it worth while. I like what we have at QB and I feel were are farther ahead then most teams in that dept.

  • Rocky70

    @PB

    You only remember what you want to remember ………… Reread going way back & you may get a more realistic picture ………… Beating the Vikes twice was more hope than prediction ………… I’m a Packer Fan …….. Why would I pick against the Packers? ……….. I’m an optimist …………. I was optimistic that Bart Starr would lead GB to the SB as a HC ………. Why not? ……… I’m a Packer Fan ………. Seems like the logical thing to do as a fan ………..

    This discussion is once again more about you just ‘disagreeing to disagree’ ………. I could state that ‘the sun shines’ & you would repudiate it ………….. See you a few days before the draft ………….. I picked Matthews, Lang & Johnson in 2009 ………. I’m going for 4 correct in 2010.

  • Devil’s Advocate…

    Nice post iccy…….. pretty much says it!!!!

  • iccyfan

    packer_bob Says: “Favre gets remembered as the guy who lost these games, like Philly and the Giants, by those that either never liked Favre or have an ax to grind to now.”

    You asked Rocky earlier if he was a fly on the wall in the Packer locker room such that he’d know certain things. I’ll ask you the same; how do you know I never liked BF and what’s my axe incentive?

    I hate (HATE HATE HATE) the Vikings and BF is the QB of that team. I actually desired him to do well with the Jets, not because I cared about him but because it potentially improved the draft pick the Packers would receive. I care about the Packers and #4 of the Vikings is superflous at this point. Why’s that so difficult for you to understand?

    Lastly, you very well know the difference between AR’s fumble and BF’s INTS in the Giant / Eagle games; you’re just being you….

  • packer_bob

    All three were game ending gaffe’s in playoff OT games that should have never happened. I’m not blaming Rodgers, but feel pretty sure many here would be putting in on BF if it had been him instead of AR.

    I wasn’t meaning to imply YOU necessarily never liked Favre or have an axe to grind. It was a general point about certain fans that have never liked BF or turned against him after the events of 2007. Whether that description applies to you is for you to decide. I don’t know if it does or not.

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Totally disagree with jj. #12 is better than Sanchez and better than #4 right now. Brees was never given his due till his team got a defense and Manning has been the top QB for years but only has 1 SB. The TEAM is more important than the QB in any event. Put all those guys on our team and they all lose. We need to get better next year. One last bit on #4. If we had Peterson and the MN D-line it would have been harder to get rid of him than Montana when the Niners shoved him out. He went to the only team that gave him a last chance at the gold ring.

  • Sammy

    Rocky = fair weather fan

    Favre haters = obsessed with the man. love him so much you cannot stop talking about him. basic psychology 101.

  • Pete H

    good point Sammy…this is assenine

  • Steve Cheez

    Is there really nothing other than BF to talk about?

  • packer_bob

    Would you rather talk about how Brees got screwed out of the MVP?

    Not much Pack to talk about right now.

  • Larry

    Lots of underclassman talent coming out this year. This could be the last great payday for rookies assuming no CBA until late 2010 or 2011. The Pack is in good position at 23 to fill some holes assuming they keep the picks. O-Tackle and DB still the toss up…we may go with best available at those positions.

  • Pete H

    you’re right, there isn’t much to talk about……but the Favre stuff is truly making me vomit. “true fans”, “Favre haters”, whose fault 4th and 26 was, Rodgers lost this year on a turnover blah blah blah…..its just so tired and overdonePacker fans are the best in the land and we are being reduced to this..

  • packer_bob

    Anyone else sick of the Colts? I know Manning is one of the best, and it’s not like he has 4 SB rings or anything, but part of me would like to see the upstart Jets make it.

    On the other hand, Ryan is a loud mouth jerk. Still think I’d rather see the Jets in it.

    For the NFC, I think it will be NO although I’m sure the league would prefer a Manning/Favre duel just from a ratings perspecetive. I think Brees/Manning and the two high powered offences would be a fun match up.

    I can’t really disrespect Favre, but I would prefer he not go all the way with a hated division enemy. I will pull for whoever emerges from the NFC, though. I’ll always prefer the NFC to win it, with the exception of the Cowboys, unless there is some subplot making me go the other way.

    For example, I was actually rooting for the Pats the first time they won, against St. Louis. If I could have seen the way it was going to turn out after that, I probably would have been pulling Rams.

  • Rick

    Pants on the Ground with my hat on sideways.
    I’ve got my pants on the ground.

    Oops I thought this was BF Idol. LOL

  • Rick

    We could root for the Mangini nightmare…
    Jets vs. BF in the Superbowl.

  • roy jamison

    Hope the Saint’s Vikes game is the shootout we expect. With a better running game, I give the hated Vikes an edge. And, Rick I guess I’ll be rootin’ for a Mangini mayhem SB…all the while singin’ “pants on the ground…”

  • Rick

    My gosh I think we just had 4-5 posts with out an insult. I am feeling faint. Roy get me some of your excellent whiskey and pull your dang pants up!!
    Pants are on the ground and your hat is on sideways.

    Al, can we vote on your site which two teams we most want to root for so we can all be on the same side since we do not have a dog in this fight?

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