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Time for Jolly and Underwood to go

What the hell is going on out there?! The off-the-field exploits of Johnny Jolly and now Brandon Underwood are making the Packers look like the Pittsburgh Steelers or Cincinnati Bengals. Enough is enough. The Packers should cut ties with both players right now. In Jolly’s case all they have to do is withdraw the tender they offered him that he never signed. They don’t even have to cut him. In Underwood’s case, word came out he has been trouble since day one so letting him go is no big deal either.

Underwood garnered praise from head coach Mike McCarthy last week but it wasn’t exactly a ringing endorsement. Underwood was a sixth round draft choice who only saw the field last year because of injuries. If you can remember a play he made you are a better man than me. The Packers are possibly on the verge of great things and they need to nip this in the bud immediately. Responding rapidly will certainly send a message.

What pisses me off is that the names of the six players who did nothing wrong were dragged through the mud. To even think players like Matt Flynn or Clay Matthews or Brad Jones would be involved in something so stupid is ridiculous. Matthews must be thinking “what is coming next?” First he is accused by association of taking steroids in light of the Brian Cushing affair, now this. At least Matthews stood his ground.

Sounding like a seasoned veteran Matthews had this to say: “Unfortunately one person kind of put himself in a situation that kind of dampened this weekend a little bit. It is unfortunate, there’s no doubt about it. But everybody showed up today, trying to move forward, trying to put that behind us and wipe our hands clean.” Matthews was speaking at the Donald Driver charity softball game.

That kind of reminded me of the Peyton Manning and his “idiot kicker” quote. Matthews is the real deal and barring injury should be a Packers’ great for years to come. Hopefully Jones can be good enough to take some of double-teams off CM3 to allow him to continue to make big plays.

But with that said, the Packers need to act now and be done with it. I mean come on! Jolly wearing gangsta clothes to court? I’m an owner and I don’t want that on my team. The only person dumber than Jolly is his lawyer. Now that his trial has been postponed to the opening day of training camp, do the Packers really want that distraction? I think not. So long and good luck with your future endeavors Mr. Jolly.

To quote McCarthy – “the train has left the station.”

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http://Orlando Mark

Underwood sounds like a fool that is more trouble than he’s worth. Jolly on the other hand has been a useful player for years. I think he had a stupid penalty that gave the Vikes a TD but he has some talent and experience. I hope he can come back after his inevitable suspension.
PackerPete

check your priorities Mark.

These low-life scum bags need to GO!

I know every player has sex, even the married ones at times, but c’mon, just be discrete enough that your sex-capades aren’t on the headlines.

Dumb and no integrity doesnt spell winner in my book.

We can acheive everything we hope for without these two bags of crap.

Let ‘em go!

The message will be worth ten-fold what their contributions would be this year and beyond.
Steve Cheez

Good point, PackerPete. Even if they didn’t commit any crimes they behaved stupidly, and making examples of them might make the rest of the team think twice about doing something equally stupid. Like the commish says, playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right, and it can and should be taken away from anybody who doesn’t uphold the proper standard of conduct.
oddball

It would take an awful lot to convince me to give either a second chance – like if Underwood’s accusers suddenly recanted their entire story . . .
Deek

Whatever happened to “Innocent until proven guilty,” in BU case? The 2 ladies (of the night) already changed their story, involving all the players, to just BU. I don’t think the DA will find any evidence indicating any sexual assault.
Steve Cheez

Off topic, but I love the picture of the Vince Lombardi board game that just popped up here. My brother and I used to play that all the time, we’d get the schedule and play an entire NFL season and keep detailed stats. He was older, though, so he always got to be the Packers, but that was OK because he always beat me and the Packers would be 14-0 and win the Super Bowl, Scott Hunter would be league MVP, John Brockington would have about 2,000 yards, Ken Ellis would run back at least one punt for a TD each game, Willie Buchanon would have 20 picks, etc.
Steve Cheez

Strangely enough, at no point in those games was any player hanging out in his SUV with 200 grams of codeine, or raping strippers, or getting DUIs or shooting anybody. Ah, for the simpler times and the innocence of youth…
Rick

Jolly had handled his business about the codeine well until he showed up to court looking like that. Truth be told, though it had not, was he was in “comfy” clothes until the trial then he was getting changed. Sitting around a courthouse for hours on end in your suit was not something he wanted to do. Notice it was the same outfit the next day.

My take. He is stupid and been doing this for a long time. He will be found guilty and get jail time. Probably a 4 game suspension if he gets back onto the team.

Underwood sweet talked some lady patrons at a strip club to come over to his room for some fun. He went to take a shower after the fun and caught them trying to rob him. They called the cops first to freak him and try to get out of him calling the cops on them.

My take, DA drops charges. Underwood back on team. NFL commish speaks with him, no suspension but no leniency in future and maybe some token classes to be attended. His wife ( soon to be ex)however has got to be PISSED. He better play hard because she will be takin his money.
Mel e Mel

If it has been established that the 2 ladies in question are strippers then the DA should not be wasting the tax payers money on this. Sitton says its bogus and I am inclined to agree with him. The age of the women in question is also a red flad 31 & 33 they have been around the block. Unfortunately this looks like Duke lacrosse. ITs very sad for every real victim out there.
As someone who doesnt drink or smoke, I really cant see why the DA in the Jolly case is so gung ho. Codeine is readily available (my wife and mother are nurses) In Florida we have “Pain Management Clinics” all over the place. It has been established that these places are nothing but legal drug houses. Trafficking cough syrup is not a big deal. Jollys IQ has to be near the mentally handicapped threshold, but his profession doesnt require him to be Gandhi. I think we see in both cases the DA see ability to get headlines for the sole purpose of advancing their careers. People wonder why the American people are fed up, a main reason is our public servants serve themselves and not much else
Packer’s Advocate

It’s a good thing the greatest Packer ever (big ? mark), slash Jet, slash Viking, never messed around w/pain medication and caroused the bars…. Bet you knew that was coming!
monkeon

I miss Reggie White
Packer’s Advocate

The greatest Packer ever????????? Maybe Bart Starr?????? I remember a few years back when they polled the fans and they voted Lindy Infante the best Packer coach ever!!!!! Lombardi who???????????
jonnyfootballhero

I recall someone saying something like they didn’t want boyscouts on the team, they just want to win when referring to wanting the Packers to pick up Mike Vick. Who was that?
http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

Whoa, PA, you got me good! I had to read your first three times before I got the sarcasm, great stuff, I must be getting old or something. Probably interesting to poll, PA, your idea of the Packer “Greatests” in this down time.
I’ll follow you with Starr/Lombardi/White-short time, Davis-long time/Gregg(OL)/Nitchke/Butle(or Buchanon). Note, it has to be by position, and I really have trouble coming up w/ a Running Back other than Brockington.
roy jamison

Ahman Green might be the best overall running back the Packers ever had. You can go with the old guys like Taylor and Hornung, but for the long haul I think Green is the best. Brockington had three good years but the Packers overused him and he burned out too soon.
Packer’s Advocate

I’ll admit LarryTex that I haven’t seen the games from the 60′s. I probably should see if the library has some. It’s stupid that I haven’t tried to watch at least one of the five chamionship seasons from then. I have a hard time watching things too far back though. As a kid, Dallas was my team. Hot cheerleaders!!! I wish the Packer’s did a little more marketing and cheerleaders…… Kids these days fall for all that crap! But hey, after a few years, I saw the light, PACKERS!!! DC cheerleaders are still hot but they’re too busy panning R. Kraft and J. Jones to show them. Can’t stand those two teams and the Vikes. But I’ll tell ya what…… w/Starr being a 17th? rounder, it says tons about him. Obviously he had to rely on more than talent. Sure he may have had some players around him and a great coach, but when the right mix of players finally land together, the special ones figure out a way to make the plays that are needed at the right times to land their dynasty!
PackerPete

Jimmy Taylor. Period.

Dont get me wrong, you will not find a bigger Ahman Green fan than me, but reality says that Jimmy Taylor was just a BAD-ASS of epic proportions.

Jimmy Taylor was one of the toughest SOB’s to ever don the G&G, with talent to boot. He out-toughed Lombardi, he was a workout warrior wayyyyy before it was cool. He used to laugh at his teammates dying during Lombardi’s grass drills and just keep pumping them out, he never brother-in-lawed it in practice, butting heads with Ray Nitschke every day and holding his own. He sought out LB and DB to punish with his running, leaving them on their backs with soreness to remember him by. Ask Sam Huff who the toughest SOB in the NFL was, one answer… Jimmy Taylor. #31 – The Man!
iccyfan

If this isn’t “by position”, I’ll vote Ray Nitschke as the Packer who best embodied the spirit of the franchise. I never met him, but my wife did as a college student in Winona, MN in the early 80′s. He was the honarary parade marshall for Riverboat Days and spent several hours in a beer tent spinning football tales…
http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

Taylor was great, but what an OL, Brock really had to do it on his own. Green, in my opinion was just a good back by the time we got him, and all those fumbles didn’t subtract from his yardage. I think another advantage Taylor had was, I don’t know, maybe that other guy he lined up with; you know, the one that kicked too.
All kidding aside, I repeat, Taylor’s got the stats but I still think Brockington did more on his own.
Steve Cheez

Let’s not leave Hutson off the list.
roy jamison

Maybe we need to have a hall of shame. Mossy Cade would be an automatic for top ten on that list. Remember Al, that guys like Jolly and Underthecovers are not mental giants, just jocks with testosterone that does their talking for them.
roy jamison

For those not old enuf to have witnessed Mossy’s greatness, here’s his wiki bio..

Mossy Cade (born December 26, 1961 in Eloy, Arizona) is a former professional American football player who played safety for two seasons for the Green Bay Packers. He attended the University of Texas, where he made the 1983 All-American team.

Cade was convicted in 1987 of two counts of second degree sexual assault on a woman he was related to through marriage. [1] He was acquitted of a third count, and served 15 months in jail.[2] This incident earned him the nickname “The Aunteater”.

Upon release, he was signed by the Minnesota Vikings but was quickly released after public outcry over his signing.
Joe

They all were asking for trouble by showing up at a Strip club.
monkeon

Mossy Cade…haven’t thought of that name in YEARS
oddball

I haven’t paid enough attention over the years to the rest of the league to know where we stand in relation to other teams, but it always seemed like the Packers had a relatively low threshold for this kind of thing. Chester Marcol, Tim Harris, Lofton and Chmura spring to mind as examples.
Mel e Mel

Tim Harris won a Superbowl, with SF, Lofton went to the H.O.F., No one ever looked at Chewy again. It depends on what you do. Chewy helped ruin the Pack IMO. Because of his transgression we had to use a #1 to draft Bubba Franks. We definitely could have used a defensive player.
http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

Underwood did the right thing, re team meeting. But what really impressed me were the comments by Matthews. Looks like we’ve got a real team leader here both on and off the field.
Packer’s Advocate

Now that the statement about the money came out……………. I’m pretty sure I could tell ya what happened, almost exactly, only going by a few of the things I’ve read. I’m sure we’ve all made a “purchase” (LOL) and didn’t “receive” what it was that we thought we were buying. Then the problem starts.
iccyfan

roy jamison Says: “Mossy Cade …. incident earned him the nickname “The Aunteater”.”

That’s terrible…
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From Al’s original message:
“In Underwood’s case, word came out he has been trouble since day one so letting him go is no big deal.”

I know Underwood had difficulties at Ohio State, which led to his dismissal and paying his own way at Cinci. Has he been trouble in Green Bay prior to this?
Packer’s Advocate

With our CB depth, letting him go might be a big deal…………..
TJ

can’t wait for the new blog post that says “I’m Sorry” to Underwood..
http://www.packernet.com admin

Sorry for what? For paying 2 hookers to come back to his place where other Packers are staying with him? Wonder what his wife thinks about all that.
http://Orlando Mark

Wonder how the Packers who were staying with him feel about Underwood. This is a repetitive problem of immature behavior. The only reason he’s still around is Williams hasn’t signed, IMO.
iccyfan

Mark, Admin, etc. – Other than the Lake Delton affair, what immature behavior has Underwood engaged in while a Packer? I’m not picking at anybody with this question – I just wasn’t aware of Underwood having any issues and was under the impression his Ohio State problems were behind him.

I do think his actions give a black eye to the organization, but I’m not as quick to give a free pass to the other six players present as others appear to be. I’m sure Underwood didn’t rent the condo – why didn’t somebody else tell him “NO”? Some here have proclaimed Matthews a future leader of this team – isn’t it a leader’s job to look out for his squad? Flynn obviously has leadership qualities and Sitton’s an established bad-ass starter. It’s their job to protect the integrity of the organization as well…JMHO
Rick

iccy- The guys rode seperate The main group was on a shuttle bus. They got back seperate from the girls. The girls took their car and meet Brandon at the condo. This was Underwood wanting to get his freak on. I am sure his wife is embarrassed and he wants to stay at camp as long as possible.

If Mathews and Flynn headed to bed and were not even aware that Underwood was ridin dirty, what fault is it of theirs? None.
Packer’s Advocate

Too much time wasted on this………… Who cares………. If it was some guy named Fred from accross town, who’d care???? Hell, I see the police can’t even get correct statements out. Slow time of year + the media + some liking to see their names in the paper = a long drawn out mess!
CheesyD

The girls story has changed… drastically. Condemning Underwood before all the facts are out is just stupid.
iccyfan

C’mon Rick – now you’re being naive. The police wouldn’t have taken “the six” in for questioning if they didn’t know anything and subsequent statements from Sitton show he did know what was happening. The fault for soliciting the “shady ladies” is with Underwood, but the rest of them could have put a stop to it. It was Matthews’ event – that makes him at least partially responsible for protecting the integrity of the organization. All seven of them should be required to repeat the NFL Rookie seminar on the topic…
mel e mel

I dont see how anyone save Underwood could have stopped it. You cant stopped someone else from trying to get some. Anyway there are real crimes all over the state that need investigating.
Rick

Naive nothing. The “women” first said they were held down. The police investigated the others in the condo and oops their story changed. The police originally indicated the other men were drunk. Now they had to back up and say not all of those interviewed were drunk and some had not even gone to the gentleman’s club either.

I have no sympathy for the cheater known as Underwood. He was trying to get a freak on as a married man and got caught. My issue is if the police are trying to milk the exposure. If the guy raped someone then go after him. If the ladies falsely accused Underwood to try to keep from being nailed for stealing then go after them. Leaving the story as is is bull$hit. The should have given the evidence to the DA on Tuesday but delaying to today makes it happen over the weekend and it seems more police in the limelight.

As for being my brother’s keeper. I do feel that if a woman was being raped and I heard it I would be blasting through doors in the condo to get the SOB. If he raped somebody and she was asking for help afterwards I would step up, call the cops and keep underwood under raps. But if they are screaming that they are calling the cops because the ain’t gettin no monay, screw them I say. Sitton said the woman were being crazy and Underwood will be exonerated. I believe that Sitton, if he knew someone was being raped in the next room ,would not be so indifferent to the women and thick headed to support his team mate in this circumstance.

As far as ruining team chemistry. I at first felt a slap on wrist and Underwood would be on the team. Now after at looking at the BS it puts on the team, I may say cut him lose or trade him if you can.
iccyfan

Easy Rick – my “take” on this situation has nothing to do with sexual assault – not even the police believe that happened but they have to follow thru with an investigation given a complaint was made. It’s also a given that Underwood made an extremely poor decision in opting to entertain what certainly appears to be a pair of opportunists. I have no sympathy for Underwood either – I differ from you only in that I believe the net of blame should be cast further. Underwood was in Lake Delton to attend a Clay Matthews charity event, and fair or not, CMIII bears a little responsibility for policing the attendees at his event. All seven of these Green Bay Packer players should know that having hookers in your hotel could result in negative publicity to the team. Any of the seven could have denied the girls entry; might have crimped Underwood’s action, but he’d have thanked them for it later and it would have saved the team embarassment. Things are slow – time to let this drop and focus on on-field OTA news…
http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

Harris – Healthy enough to go (16)?
Williams – Harris of the Eagles?
Rick

I am glad to hear that Driver feels better. If he has has his mobility back to make his cuts in and out of his routes we really might have the Jennings, Driver, Findley pass attack to keep defenders out of the box and let Grant run some. That should help the O line defend Rodgerstoo.
http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

Musings and what knocks a team out of contention.
About half the teams in the league can go all the way each year. So why get so worked up? ’07 the injuries to the OL produced the 6-10; last year injuries to the DBs killed us in the playoffs, with a little help due to no rush from the middle and left side. Point is that parity, schedule, and roster have less to do with championships than luck, bad bounces, and a refs mistake now and then.
When you note the lack of DB draft this year (other than Burnett) you know we were in good shape going into the season last. However, Lee-Underwood-Harris-Atari forced the Bush situation and thats just plain bad luck! IMO
http://Orlando Mark

LT, I think you’re a little confused. This year we had O-line problems because our starting tackles were injured. In ’08 it was the D-line. We were running a 4-3. Corey Williams was traded, KGB was finished, Jenkins got hurt early and we were relying on Harrell to be a starter and he was injured. Our MLB Barnett was injured and we ended up with an awful run defense. The DB’s did a good job considering there wasn’t much of a pass rush but our special teams were pretty bad as usual, a typical 6-10 team. Give TT and MM credit for the turnaround, nothing to do with luck unless you count the schedule.
Packer’s Advocate

Question: If we come up short this year, where will it be?? What position group, side of the ball, player, etc. Mounting injuries in an area don’t count. (example: losing Kamp and Harris, two pro-bowlers affected the passing game defense and it would) I’m curious of the guesses if we stay relatively injury free or the injuries are spread out a bit. Guesses anyone????? Or are we going to go and win the SB this year???? Let’s see who are our good fortune tellers are……………………………
Rick

Healthy and Green Bay has a real shot at the NFC Championship and a Super Bowl berth.

Unhealthy and we drop to an 8-8 team or worse in a hurry.

Injuries that would most likely end a Super Bowl run for Green Bay.

Aaron Rodgers- Flynn can fill in but a Super Bowl run I think is to much.

Greg Jennings – Driver is healthy again but he is a number 2 receiver

Charles Woodsen – The Jack of all Trades Probowl DB/S/LB we would have maybe Harris but most likely Williams and Lee(?) as the starters.

I will also say that if our starting NT goes down ( Raji ) so that Pickett has to stay in the middle and we depend on Herrell on the outside we are FUBAR’d. We do not have NT and 3-4 DE depth this year. I am assuming the Jolly green Codeine machine will be unavailable to us.
Packer’s Advocate

Some good stuff there, Rick………….. I think we could overcome a Jennings injury as long as the rest of the team is fairly healthy. Would hurt in stretching the field though. Just like last year when our starting C (Spitz) went down, we were able to put Wells in and not skip a beat. I think our WR group is deep and experienced enough. I think Jones could break out sometime, given a chance, injuries clear up. QB is a given also, as no one stands much of a chance if their starting QB goes down,,,,,, but I will say I don’t think they give Flynn enough credit. Think the guy is a winner and a leader. Maybe a bit Starr-ish is my guess. And as I’ve been saying for weeks, my worry spot is LLB.
Rick

Jennings demands the best DB the other team has. A healthy Driver and Findley become very dangerous with him drawing the best cover away. I do not think another receiver on the team is a number 1 receiver in waiting. Jordy and Jones are solid number 2s and I like our depth but like Chicago, no number 1 means your passing game looks like a number 2.
sammy

i truly am glad i didn’t have millions of dollars and some fame in my early to mid twenties. i would have been in big trouble. i am sure many on this board would have also. i can’t wait for some rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllll football news, games, blogs, bitches, praising tt/mm or calling for their heads. i hope we can praise. peace y’all, be back in another month or so.

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