How much codeine do you suppose $2.5MM will get you?

What planet are these guys on? With the economy in a depth recession, half the NFL teams will need to do some belt tighting. I agree as well that the Players and the Union have very little leverage in the near term. Lack of Revenue and TV deals will effect most Professional Sports teams for the next 5 years and maybe more. As for Williams – 3.1 million to a back up and only starter for a few games. Do not take it, hold out for a new contract (5 years @ 25 million, $7 guaranteed) Get real. The Packers don’t need this cancer. Ted, find a (D Sharper like) replacement.

I don’t dislike Atari Bigby but I’m strangely unaffected by his “hold-out”; he’s a “nice” player when available but he’s never evoked memories of Leroy Butler. With Morgan Burnett (albeit a FS) drafted and Will Blackmon moved, I’d submit the Packers are preparing for life without Atari.

Tramon Williams may not be a world-beater but he’s serviceable in a key position. I hate that he’s leveraging a couple of “injury starts” – guess Ted & Mike will have to decide if Lee and Underwood are capable of playing as well or better. Do they fear the prospect of Jarrett Bush and Josh Bell as much as we fans do?

Bigby’s had some injury issues and Williams has had some PI penalty issues. Both have little question marks that make putting together a deal slightly risky. Both are good players though, so both sides need to work together and get a deal done that protects both sides a little bit. They’ve put their time in, they desevre a DECENT deal if they’re on the last year of their old contracts. The Packers need be covered should Bigby’s injury problems never go away and the refs give Williams a rep and go after him big time. Speaking of the refs……………. SCARY!!!! I can think of so many times last year of poor calls. They’re throwing flags for things they don’t even see, just assumed happened. One of my favorites from last year is the blocking below the waist call, called against Poppinga of the kick coverage team. Slipped, fell down and slid about 5 yards into a guy and as the tackling team he was called for the blocking penalty. And don’t even get me started on the 1st Bear game where the ref gave a 1st down for an illegal contact on Harris, 1/2 a yard past the 5 yds. on a 3rd and 23 play. What a GIFT especially since it was at 4 1/2 yards and the Bears were in illegal formation. If I were MM, I’d have a segment of summer camp called “first downs from the refs”. If a team studies the refs, they’ll see lots of ways to use them to their advantage. Out of bounds hits is a good place to work this year. As the RB, when your running along the sideline, just set your guy up to keep him coming at ya and at the last second get those two feet out before the tackler can let up or tackle you. The refs are calling that tight. GIFT……….. 15 yards!!!

It may be past time they redesigned the uniformed to get rid of the face mask some how. Anther step needed is giving the coaches about 3 more red flags and let them challenge any call. Would the NFL be against having a game that allows poor calls to be corrected vs. a little longer game?? I’m fine w/a longer game. I’m sure most people are.

Just let Bigby play a couple of games, he’ll be out with an injury and it won’t matter.

Or maybe it should be “what do you think happened, Rick???” You had me sold on that Cox kid. Speed, CB, kick returner…….. all sounded about right.

Reading thru the articles on the main page, you can’t help but be impressed with the “throw-back” attitudes of Nick Collins and Ryan Pickett. To paraphrase simply, “We’re just here to play ball, help the team wherever we can and let the business end take care of itself.” TT should pair these two up and send them on road trips during the offseason to visit the RFA & UFA players.

Note: I am a dum@ss, having made non-complimentary comments about Nick Collins last offseason, saying he should be thrilled with his tag and excited to play for $3.2M or whatever it called for – safeties weren’t worth any more than that and easy to find. If you read this blog, Nick, I was wrong and I’m sorry! You are exactly the type of player to represent our organization well….

Therein lies the reason for my apology to Nick Collins – he didn’t skip mini-camp or hold-out during training camp; he was present to learn the new defense and left his agent to work out the business side. I “understand” what Rick has now posted twice about “leverage” – just wish more players would follow the Collins and Pickett examples. I think most would agree that Bigby is replaceable – it’s a privilige to start on a championship contender and he needs to be involved with the OTA’s….

Bigby would be a great loss. He is the only one that will tear your head offl. The rest of the DBs may slide and glide, but you know you’ve been hit when he brings it.

@PA – Parrish Cox was late for curfew twice and pissed off the coach and was suspended from playing in the Cotton bowl game. My opine was he is a 2/3rd rounder and he is, but NFL teams were scared about his character because he left Ok State in the lurch just before their bowl game and he was caught driving on a suspended license a couple of months earlier. That charge was stupid because his old insurance company said he lapsed and was non insured and the state pucked his license. He actually had let it lapse because he had a different company. Immediately it was handled.

The frickin Broncos stole him in the 5th. I am sick that we passed on him. I like the Quarless (TE) pick and Newhouse (OG/C) in the 5th but I think Parrish (CB/KR/PR)would be what we want and we could send Bush and some others DBs packing.

Oh well. Now I hope he breaks a leg
Frickin Bronco

@Rick- Love the bitterness! Keep up the vitriol.

Cox only had average combine numbers. But on the field he is the football player I want. I saw him go toe to toe with the Oklahoma and Texas Jaugernuats in college and he took away receivers. In the Senior Bowl practices he did it again as well as showed his fluid movement in the return game.

But since we did not get him, and in honour of Steve Cheez, screw him.

Seems to me to be rather quiet this year (on this site) as to the desire to pick up Haynesworth. Am I wrong in that there was quite a bit of criticism of TT for not trying to pick him up last year here? Gosh, maybe he (TT) knows things we don’t.

LarryTex- Haynesworth would be unhappy with the Packers 3-4 defense NT position just like he is unhappy with the Redskins 3-4 defense NT position. A 4-3 team like the Jaguars should really look at burning a First and third or so for him and team him up with Kampman. That would be a great d-line

Not just fans jonny. The pundits called Harrell a reach even without his injury history. His own agent was surprised he went so early. To make matters worse TT got rid of Colin Cole and Corey Williams who had been productive for us to clear cap room and reps on the D-line. Between that and KGB breaking down we couldn’t field a 4-3 with the backups who were left.

Right, iccy, goooood grief. I think we all agree that ’07 was probably the worst draft in Packer history. That might make an interesting conversation. I think only Crosby, Jones, and Bishop are the only ones salvageable (maybe Kuhn?). But then, I’ve never liked Jackson and I still think Harrell COULD surprise.

PackerPete Says:
“If there ever was a pass issued for a draft, TT sure got one for this mess.”

I’d submit that multiple GM’s used their “free pass” on the 2007 NFL Draft, as three years in it’s not looking very good. This is the draft that gave us JaMarcus Russell, Gaines Adams and Ted Ginn, Jr. within the first nine picks…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_nfl_draft

Here it is ladies and gent’s – find me a RB better than Brandon Jackson after Ted traded down from #47. Would we rather have Brian Leonard???

I think Michael Bush would have been a better selection than Brandon Jackson. Well, that’s who I was hoping would be the pick anyway.

hey Al, can i lick your balls.

sayin a GM got a pass on a draft that didnt pan out doesnt mean anyone loves Brent Faver.

again, i want to lick your hairy balls and then move to your crusty asshole.

i really love your site.

I like this site. A lot. But if we can’t post our opinions here, what’s the point of having it. There isn’t a lot of new Packers topics to talk about this time of year, so it’s pretty likely that old arguments are going to be brought up and defended or refuted. We aren’t all going to agree on everything, but I figure as long as we’re somewhat civil toward eachother it was all right. (go f*** brett favre – not very civil) If there are rules about what can and can’t be talked about here, perhaps it should be posted.