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Posted on September 2, 2010 by Al Davis

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  • I_Luv_Brats

    as long as there are no injuries, it can get as ugly as hell

  • AATP

    Seriously? Javon Walker is a Viking as well? Funny…

  • I_Luv_Brats

    Yeah…..old man Favre got a Walker

  • Rocky70

    What a waste of energy ………… Perfect example of why 4 pre-season games is 1 or 2 too many …….. On to the “Beginning of the End” for BF come Thursday in a game that finally counts …….. The Vikes will be realing after the Saints put a bad hurt’in on them.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Not sure about that Rock. Remember, we’re now a team looking for backups and that occasional new guy that wows his way into being a starter. I thought the game last night was excellent in that Flynn may well have at least shut up a lot of his detractors. May have proved D-Smiths value, and Spitz’s availability for trade. Hell, did Bush do enough to stick? Kind of put a lock on Jordy being a returner, too. Can’t find these things out in a two-game pre. Lets compromize and go to three pre, expand the 53 to 55-60, and give the revenue guys the 18.
      I L B, thats the funniest thing I’ve heard in a long, long time. Priceless!
      One thing evident about KC experience is that those cuts that are made will be a lot easier since a lot of them really stunk and changed opinions (mine, at least). For instance, out goes Chery, in stays Swain, etc. I also think QB Harrell might have shown enough to make MM want to take him on as his next project. From the beginning (remember hes Tech and I’m in A&M country) I liked the addition because of his arm and hands. I could well see a battle downstream between he and Flynn with the loser being valuable trade material. We’ll see.

      • Rocky70

        For the coaches, the game was probably invauable …… As a fan, it was a snoozer with alot of inept play by non-NFL type players ……… Interesting comment on QB Harrell ….. I think he’s also looked promising ………. Will GB be able to retain him on the PS? ……. The only for sure way that MM can keep him & develope him is the 53-man roster ………. The cuts are going to be interesting, especially if TT can muster a player trade or two ……. Our 2010 KR & PR may not yet be on the roster, IMO.

        • Rick

          It was the battle of the losers. The problem is your 3rd stringers are against theirs.

          Great my sucky guy is better/worse than your sucky guy. Only about 6 players on the field looked good.

          Swain / Flynn / Harrel / Newhouse/ McDonald/ Shields

          I woul dhave prefered to see Dillon get a shot at returning. He was the “winded” guy that Chery squeezed by to get on the field last year. I would have prefered to see him in the second half to know whether we keep on 53 or cut and try to get keep on Practice Squad

          • Rick

            edit

            get on the field last week.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    What, we went 4th and 1 four times in FG country? Well, that snoozer factor is why the TV people want the extra games. Players would probably go along for the extra 200k on average. What I would want out of it is the larger roster, ’cause we would not have enough pre to evaluate IMO.

    • Rick

      Well at least we saw what the players could do versus watch our kicker kick. Meaningless game otherwise.

  • Rick

    Barring trades here looks to be the final roster and prefered Practice Squad players. Assuming we carry an extra O lineman and D lineman for depth this year.

    Packer Roster
    53 active + 8 Prac. Squad + 4 PUP + 1 IR
    Offense
    QB Aaron Rodgers / Matt Flynn / Graham Harrel (Prac. Squad)
    RB Ryan Grant / Brandon Jackson / James Stark (PUP) / Quinn Porter (IR)
    FB Korey Hall / John Kuhn / Quinn Johnson
    WR Greg Jennings / Donald Driver / James Jones / Jordy Nelson / Brett Swain / Charles Dillon (Prac. Sqd) / Chastin West (Prac. Sqd)
    TE Jermichael Finley / Donald Lee / Spencer Havner / Andrew Quarless / Tom Crabtree
    LT Chad Clifton / Marshall Newhouse
    LG Daryn Colledge / Bryan Baluga
    C Scott Wells / Evan Dietrich-Smith
    RG Josh Sutton / Jason Spitz / Nick McDonald (Prac. Squad)
    RT Mark Tauscher / TJ Lang / Chris Campbell (Prac. Squad)

    Defense
    LDE Ryan Pickett / Justin Herrell / CJ Wilson (Prac. Squad)
    DT/NT BJ Raji / Anthony Toribio
    RDE Cullen Jenkins / Mike Neal
    OLB1 Clay Matthews / Frank Zombo /
    MLB AJ Hawk / Desmond Bishop / Alex Joseph (Prac. Squad)
    MLB Nick Barnett / Brady Poppinga / Robert Francois (Prac. Squad)
    OLB2 Brandon Chillar / Brad Jones
    LCB Charles Woodsen / Pat Lee/ Sam Shields
    RCB Tramon Williams / Brandon Underwood / Al Harris (PUP)
    SS Morgan Burnett / Charlie Peprah / Atari Bigby (PUP) / Will Blackmon (PUP)
    FS Nick Collins / Derrick Martin

    Special Teams
    K Mason Crosby
    P Tim Masthay
    LS Brett Goode

    • Rick

      If we need to get to a third QB this team is troubled. If someone wants to grab Harrel, then great, if not then we have him for insurance and we can run him through our QB camp next spring.

      We have till week 6 to decide on Stark. If he comes back strong then we will see what the roster injuries are. If not cut and maybe sign to a camp contract next spring.

      3 FBs and the 5 TEs because athletic depth for special teams means we have to give the ST squads the best we have. For enough anyone but Finley is tradeable.

      We add Newhouse to roster because it is tough to hide developing LTs .

      Evan we keep because the Goode injury shows how few Long Snappers are in the league.
      Spitz adds depth to multiple spots on the line. Trade him if we get enough, but I say keep him.

      Mc Donald is almost roster worthy as a Guard. Hopefully we can hide him on PS.

      We should go deep on D line with 6 players for depth this year so we can have fresh legs for late in the game and Wilson is almost game ready so PS is perfect for him and if Justin Herrell’s back gives out again we have a ready back up to put on the roster.

      We have some decent young LBs we can keep on PS and then the PUP list will reload this team between weeks 7 and 10 with Stark RB; Blackmon KR/PR; Harris CB; and Bigby SS coming back for us. We have depth coming back to help fight the injury bug.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Love it-glad you found room for Evan. I’ll switch Jones/Chillar however. Spitz is still dangling and I think one of those WRs is gone via trade………good job.

      • Rick

        Sorry. I meant more for Roster again then a depth chart. I agree Jones will probably be the starter if healthy. Swain actually adds an extra DB body which is a nice insurance policy, he played well in spot duty as a 5th CB before the knee injury. Maybe we trade Jones or Nelson but I hate to give up anyone in such a solid WR unit.

        • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

          Oh, totally would hate to see either go. I don’t think our problem is starting 22 like others here do. I see it as a backup problem, if any. IE: If you don’t like Chillar or Bishop would you trade N or J for a backup LB, don’t think so. OL; man it took us 5 years to get back to having injury insurance that could start, again ie, Buluga, Lang, Spitz, Smith-Dietrick. Don’t have to trade for a backup there. DL; maybe! Especially if Harrell doesn’t pull his weight, but again N or J for a backup DL, man, I don’t like it, I’ll sure try Neal first.
          Cannot get away from it, it really comes down to CB. The backups we have have not shown much and are always picked on. BUT, I doubt anybody gives up a starting CB for a #3/4 WR, maybe they give up a nickle/dime guy or a #3 but not a starter in my mind.
          In any case I’m encouraged by the increased speed in our DB stable and think with Burnett having more range, just maybe we have some help for our weak 2nd string CBs.

          • Rick

            Agree totally

          • http://Orlando Mark

            Harris was a nickel guy we lucked out on. That would be the place to look.

          • Rick

            So we need to look for a solid nickel press man to man defense guy from another squad…

            I will have scrounge through rosters to see whom might be in the cross hairs for that.

          • Rick

            We may get lucky and the cardinals cut him but CB/KR AJ Jeferson from Fresno State is deep on there chart but he is a a great returner that needs help as a CB. He would be great and we may get him off waivers or trade Giacomi or Barbre for him.

  • Larry

    Nice job Rick..we’ll see Saturday by 6.

  • mel e mel

    I can see Chery cut but, we are left with no return man worth his salt. Patrick Crayton was available for a 7th rounder. Please let Don Lee go, how many touchdowns can one man drop?
    TT can clear up a lot of “projects” that never really developed. Allen Babre, Breno Giacomini,Brady Poppinga, Korey Hall, and Jarrett Bush. I know at least one of those guys will stick. I really hope Ted is cured of his desire to draft obscure players, that no one else wanted. That what undrafted FAs are all about look at Shields and Zombo.

    The Giants need a backup QB as well as Pitt and Buff. I am sure 4th rounder can be had for G Harrell right now. Philly traded for AZ G Reggie Wells, Spitz might have had a taker there.
    I trust TT I still remember the Frosty episode.

    • Rick

      Dillon was an good returner in college, I wish we would have split duty with Chery in the final game.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Hey, Jordy is reliable if not flashy. I still say, with our O we don’t have to score on ST, just give the ball to AR.

  • Monty

    gasfasggagagagebbf

    • Rick

      or

      fbbegagagaggsafsag

      if you say it backwards

  • I_Luv_Brats

    Forwards or backwards…..what does that mean? LOL

  • Rick

    gasfas = old wisconsin for warm beer and cold brat for breakfast

    ggagaggageb = the noise you make when you almost hurl and then swallow it back down

    bf = the intials of the name of he who’s name is not spoken

    :)

    I believe what he was saying I just woke up and had a gafas and almost hurled when I thought of Brett Farve.

    Now what I said was

    I thought of Brett, threw up in my mouth a little, and then looked for something for breakfast :)

    • Rick

      Oh shoot I said the name ARRRRRGGHHHHHH!!!!

      • Rick

        —-Disappears into gay purple smoke—

  • roy jamison

    Listened to the game with Kansas City sports guys including Trent Green calling the game. Green, played the homer role well, acting like he was seeing the Packers first team even when the Chiefs had their first unit offense against the second and third string guys. I give the Packer backups thumbs up for most of their play against a fairly good running team but woeful passing team. Matt Cassel isn’t as good as Graham Harrell and Harrell has a lot of upside.

  • I_Luv_Brats

    well then I’ve had gasfas several times on camping trips LOL

  • Rick

    —purple smoke LOLs —

  • roy jamison

    NFL…not for long continues for Havner, Blackmon etc.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Useless thought of “what might have been”. A lot of our current concern would have been aleviated if only Kampman could have adjusted like Dumervil in DEN did! Oh well, move on.

  • Rick

    Now Dumervil is out for the season in Denver. They will have a tough replacing him this year.

  • Rick

    Willie Parker – RB cut by Redskins

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      I dunno, Rick, 30 and all are guys are 27 or less. I don’t think its worth it for just a year. Would have to tailor and put in a whole new section of the play book to utilize his speed (if he has any left in the tank).

      • iccyfan

        The Saints released Ladell Betts yesterday in favor of DeShawn Wynn. Betts always did a nice job as the third down back in Washington and filled in admirably whenever Portis was injured. If he’s recovered from last season’s knee injury, he might be a possibility. The Saints certainly don’t need a pass-catching RB with all those WR’s and Pierre Thomas / Reggie Bush on hand…

  • I_Luv_Brats

    Any DB’s that the Packers could pick up??

    • iccyfan

      Atlanta cut last season’s nickel back, Chevis Jackson of LSU. I don’t know if he’s the prerequisite height, but he played at a top college program and the Falcons are no slouches when it comes to defense. That’s the most recognizable name I’ve seen so far in the CB department…

  • I_Luv_Brats

    I hope Mr Thompson at least considers him

  • iccyfan

    Rookie CB Donovan Warren from Michigan was cut by the Jets. This kid was highly thought of coming out after his junior year, but hurt his draft stock signing with Drew Rosenhaus and running a slow 40 time at the combine (injured ankle). I see he suffered a concussion early in TC. Given we appear to need some young developmental CB’s, he might be a practice squad candidate. Pre-draft reports indicated he was a big physical corner, which is what TT appears to target…

  • I_Luv_Brats

    Someone tells me that Aquib Talib was cut…..Would he be a good fit for Green Bay?

    • iccyfan

      Even Pacman Jones thinks Talib is too much trouble to hang out with…

    • jonnyfootballhero

      Cornerback Aqib Talib was placed on reserve/suspended.

  • Rocky70

    Finally, now on to some football …………

    Per PFT …….. “Packers cut 20, put 2 on IR, get down to 53″ ………..

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/04/packers-cut-20-put-2-on-ir-get-down-to-53/

  • Rocky70

    Released Saturday were punter Chris Bryan, tackle Chris Campbell, wide receiver Jason Chery, cornerback D.J. Clark, center/guard Evan Dietrich-Smith, wide receiver Charles Dillon, linebacker Robert Francois, tackle Breno Giacomini, quarterback Graham Harrell, tight end Spencer Havner, linebacker Alex Joseph, safety Anthony Levine, running back Kregg Lumpkin, linebacker Cyril Obiozor, linebacker Maurice Simpkins, defensive end Ronald Talley, nose tackle Anthony Toribio, wide receiver Chastin West, wide receiver Patrick Williams and defensive end Jarius Wynn.

    Tackle/guard Allen Barbre and safety Will Blackmon will be placed on injured reserve.

  • iccyfan

    I’m not surprised by anybody on the cut list; I’ve thought for awhile that Havner was odd-man out in the TE group. I am surprised that Nick McDonald made it; seemed to be a guy who’d easily have cleared waivers and made it to out practice squad – certainly won’t contribute this season and we’ve got too many inexperienced young linemen (Lang, Newhouse, McDonald) on the 53. Despite his late TC play, I am disappointed that Jarrett Bush is again on our roster; I’ve had ABBA (Anybody but Bush Again) songs running thru my head all day – “Take a Chance on Me” comes to mind for basically any free-agent CB on the waiver wire…

    • Rocky70

      Bush was only player on the D that looked like an NFL player on Thursday versus KC …… Regardless, if Al Harris can actually recover & be ready after his time on PUP …… Bush is probably a goner at that time ……… Havner was an oddity & a great media story ……… He was never going to get any better no matter where he played ……….. He had his 15 minutes of fame.

  • Larry

    TT seems to always pick up someone after cuts are made. I look for a CB and/or OLB. Lots of teams need secondary help though.

    I hope Harrell makes it to the PS but even that’s no guarantee of keeping him.

  • mel e mel

    Talib assaulted a Cab driver in 2009 Goodell just now got around to suspending him. TT has finally got the bargain basement Olineman out of his system. Vikes traded their Punt returner. I wish we had WR open to block the Vikes from getting TJ of Seattle

  • I_Luv_Brats

    Houshmenzadah never scared me except maybe his ugly mug. From Walker to Houshmenzadah isn’t that big of a difference. Of course the Vikings fans are as giddy as a bunch of school girls over it

  • Monty

    “You know they’re going to score,” an NFC personnel man said Saturday night. “But can they stop you from scoring?” Your 2010 Green Bay Packers Folks….

    In the early 80′s Bart Starr put together one of that decades best offenses, but he could never make it to the playoffs cuz he didnt have a defense. In 2010, Ted Thompson has put together one of the best offenses in the league, but we wont win because we dont have a defense. It amazes me, but in counting heads, there are 7 first round draft choices on our defenses plus an All Pro second round FS and yet they cant stop anyone. Mathews, Woodson and Collins are keepers, the rest are just a bunch of guys. Our DL is a joke, we have no pass rush, two ILBs that cant cover. Why is Brady Popingga still on our team? Zombo makes one play and he’s a keeper? And corners, we are trusting our season to T Williams who is a nickel back at best and S Shields who played ONE SEASSON at CB at Miami. We need more experience in the secondary. Until Ted also builds a defense equal to his offense, we are gonna be in a lot of shoot outs like we were in the desert. As far as I can see we are going to war with the same guys who lost in Arizona, where is the improvement?

    • http://Orlando Mark

      Monty, don’t put a lot of stock in pre-season games. Our D-line is good and will improve(think about the pressure Manning got up the middle). Woodson will make a difference when the real bullets fly as will Matthews. Our biggest hole is kick return and coverage. Either way we don’t play the toughest schedule and other teams have bigger holes than we do. I expect 12-4 and possible home field. It’s going to be an exciting year.

  • Monty

    Mark, I would like to agree about the D line, but with JJ on suspension our D-Line is just a bunch of guys. I watched the first team against indy and seattle, the O-line just pushes them left or right, none of the three starters broke through. Our backups are a joke, Harrell should be let go, he is on the ground too much. Ted is stubborn about being loyal to the guys he likes and drafts to a fault, he doesnt take Wolf’s advice enough of letting go when you have made a mistake and move on like he did with Brohm. Yeah i agree, we should have done better getting a return man, ST suck IMO as we give up too many long returns and our guys get stuck at the 20 yard line too much..until we beat Philly in Philly (havent won there since 1962) and we beat Butt Favre and the Queens, Im sticking with 8-8, yes Rodgers is a monster at QB and our Offense is awesome, but like the scouts have said, we cant stop anyone (see the Arizona 51-45 playoff win), plus we didnt change anyone on the O line (Colledge is still the LG) which means we could have problems there with D-Lines like the Queens have, now THATS what a Dline should look like!!

    • Rocky70

      You do realize that the D-Line you so dislike so much was 1st against stopping the run in season 2009 …….. On a defense that ranked 2nd overall & 1st in take-aways.

      You may want to find a local educational institution & see if they offer “Football 101″ ……… You obviously are lacking some comprehension & expertise in the basics of football.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Rock, re-read all of Monty’s posts and other than the ref. to AR above show me anything positive regarding the Packers. Even his begrudged comment about the OL has to have the zinger on Colledge. Its obvious to anyone on this site his distain for anything Packer from Mgmt to Coach staff to players. His last sentance says it all. Its a waste responding to someone who has absolutely no allegiance to the Pakers or any part thereof. He’s baiting us.

  • Monty

    I dont care what they ranked its the same defense that lost to the Cardinals and couldnt stop Kurt Warner. Talk to me about “football 101″ when we beat the Eagles in Philly and Butt Favre. Until then I say Ted’ defense isnt as good as his offense.

  • Larry

    Rocky has a point in that the run defense was #1 and in a 3/4 sacks don’t come from the 3 base lineman…BUT…with Rogers and Co..scoring lots of points we won’t see 30 runs a game either as teams will need to pass to keep up. Frankly..let them run for 5 yards a crack…they’ll still lose by 17.

    This schedule is tougher than LY and QB’s are getting better…the nickle and dime will be exposed all year unless Harris comes back healthy after the buy (he won’t play before). I blasted TT immediately after the draft for ignoring the defensive secondary and although not proud of the outburst, the thought rings true. All eyes on Philly this week because they throw the ball 70% anyway and this game it may be 80%. If we didn’t know our weeknesses before now, Andy Reid will spotlite them for us for the rest of the league to see.

    • Rocky70

      Everyone had doubts about our run defense at this time last year ……. It turned out to be a strength contrary to what most people thought ……….. The defensive secondary may very well surprise a few people this year ……….. Besides, it doesn’t have to be the best in the NFL for GB to be playing in Dallas in February.

  • mel e mel

    I find solace in the fact that philly has shuffled their starting O-line even until today. If we cant get pressure against what amounts to a rookie QB then there is trouble. I wish they would have waived Slocum. The people who cite Indy, and NO weak special teams dont see the big picture. Indy and NO play in cake divisions, so they have no incentive to be great on ST, because they beat the brains out in plays from scrimmage.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Amazing, whats going on in PHI a week before the season starts. New QB with new interior O, and then finally the LB. All for draft choices – looks to me like rebuilding on the fly………….!

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Anybody else see gangsta WRs heading to MIN? After the Walker debacle they are mighty thin. Guys, this is exactly what can happen when you put all your chips in on the “win now at all cost” philosophy. TT might be doing it slower, but it will last longer. He will move to trade if it will help the team.

      • iccyfan

        If what I read was correct, they only have three CB’s on their 53-man. What in the heck is their plan there? If we don’t like our situation, it could be worse…

      • Rocky70

        Only 4 wideouts also …….. “That leaves the Vikings with four wide receivers (Bernard Berrian, Percy Harvin, Greg Lewis, Greg Camarillo) or two fewer than they had at the end of last season.” ……….. Even if they still make some kind of move before Thursday night, it’s late to have so much instability.

  • mel e mel

    Seattle is going to pay TJ 7 mill to do nothing. THen then the great Alex Gibbs retires, I think that kool-aid of Pete Carrolls only works on co-eds.

  • Rocky70

    Looks like at least four of the Packer discards are well liked by other teams ……… Obi (Cards), Havner (Lions), Lumpkin (Bucs) & Toribio (KC) have all been claimed & are on 53 man rosters ……….

    GB PS so far ……… Graham Harrell, Robert Francois, Anthony Levine & Chastin West.

    •The Minnesota Vikings came after Breno Giacomini hard with more money for their practice squad, but the Packers gave him a better deal, so Giacomini is on the Packers’ practice squad.

  • Larry

    Can’t believe the other 31 teams don’t have a corner/OLB worth our PS. Take a chance Ted..its only the PS.

    • Rocky70

      Most of the players cut today league-wide will never play another down in the NFL ………. You’re talking marginal players who will never play organized football again …….. There has to be at least a glimmer of potential to even end up on the PS ………. Most don’t have it.

  • mel e mel

    Paging TT when Detroit picked up Havner they, waived Dennis Northcutt their primary returner. Hello!

  • jonnyfootballhero

    It really bothers me that TT is willing to let players already on the team return punts and kickoffs. No-one did a great job of it last year. I guess there’s going to be a lot of long drives for the offense again this year. Sometimes I just don’t get what he’s thinking. It took forever to get the O-Line and kicking game fixed. Now it seems like returner is the new non-problem/problem. There’s still time to pick someone up before the season starts, but I just don’t see it happening. Maybe after the Packers rank near the bottom for KR/PR this year TT will target a real return guy next year. Why does it always seem to take years for TT to see the problems many of us already see on this team?

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Probably because Jordy is adequate and steady if not flashy; 25 on KORs and 5+ on punts. Jackson with him on KORs. If a CB/KR pops up TT might move, but not an 11 yr guy who could not penetrate our WR corps. Whats so great about Northcutt? Did he win any games for DET?

  • Pierre

    GB has an offense as good or better than any team in the NFL this year. Their ST needs to improve defensively by limiting the yardage on kick-off and punt returns; that’s where they often get burned! There’s really no issue with offensive ST returns as they just need to be caretakers of the ball and maintain possession as LT said with Nelson and Jackson.
    It is amazing that TT fills holes (outstandingly) in the draft this year for Jolly (with Neal) , Bigby (with Burnett) and then gets the future LT in Bulaga yet someone still harps on him for not getting a punt return guy that can average 7yards a return rather than 5yards! You have to keep some perspective on this issue. They just need to catch the punts safely and give it over to Rodgers and company to rack up the points, which they are well equipped to do!

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Plus, Pierre, Capers hasn’t turned the D loose yet. Hell, I’d like Desmond Howard of ’96 SB too, but we do not have REGGIE on D even tho Favre/Rodgers are probably a wash right now. Its a fact we need all three DL to do what Mr. White did by himself. Shoot, this O is every bit as good as Holmgren’s SB team with only the D suspect in the pass protection phase; nobody is going to run against these guys. Watch for us to blitz the hell out of PHI, and I’ll look forward to those rush INTs.

    • http://Orlando Mark

      I certainly think you can question TT’s judgement of ST’s after the Ryan for Frostie debacle. Someone mentioned that Northcut is a return guy whose available. We can’t pretend that we have anyone who’s better than average so we’ll just have to see if we can do without a return specialist. Also, I’d rather have Havner than Crabtree and Dietrich-Smith than McDonald but none of these guys are the difference makers a good return guy could be.

      • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

        Many think the best return guy we ever had was Howard, however Howard only played one year here except when he came back for a while in ’99. While he did average 15 on PRs his KOs were only 20, less than Jordy. If you think that this O is better than ’95 then that extra 10 is not much; its 1 1st down. His 3 touchdowns weren’t much either compared to the way this O will score. His big splash was the SB because of a 99 yarder and a 70 yarder. Frankly, Jordy is the much better receiver. Wolf picked him up for a song because nobody wanted him and lucked out. I don’t think TT has anything to do with not bringing one in because I’m sure it would be the entire personnel staff who would be evaluating whats out there and making the recomendation. I find it hard to believe the Packers did not hire Monty as GM because he sure has all the answers. Oh, wait a minute, he doesn’t make decisions, he just criticizes.

  • Monty

    I told you all Ted would say “We like our guys” when it comes to return men, OLB linebackers and nickel backs. I died laughing when Ted said “potential is overrated.” We want to win now.” He sure doesnt build his team like he talks. His defense is a joke….ST teams is a joke. I hate Ted Thompson, Ill be so happy when his reign is over. Youngest team in the league again cuz he’s such a Tight Ass. I see over at Yahoo, McCarthy was rated the 11th best coach out of 32. Super Bowl or Bust yeah right. Ted wouldnt know a Super Bowl player if it bit him on the ass.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      C’mon Admin quit pulling our chain. This pseudonym you keep throwing in here to rile us up is getting stale. Jon incarnate. Why do you do this Al, we keep enough spice here with our Packer opines, just look at the responses you get when you don’t even post. Nobody, but nobody, would call themselves a Packer fan with that kind of vile.

    • Rocky70

      I agree with LT ……… Admin. why allow Monty, Sammy, Jon & a number of other IDs continue to post their anti-opinions on your blog …………. It’s time you made a few “cuts” ………….

  • Monty

    anti opinons? You mean this site is a kiss Ted’s butt site? I thought it was an open site for Packer fans to express their views and opinions. You want to censor freedom of speech, move to China!! Im just a big a Packer fan as anyone else on the blog, I dont like how our team is being formed, I believe as others do, it could be better. Who died and made you the master? Your opinions arent any better than mine Sammy Jon etc. If you dont like it dont read it!!

    • Rocky70

      All you do is rant & rave …… Nothing will ever happen that will be ‘ok’ in your delusional mind ……. You’re not even close to being a Packer fan ……… Your posts don’t belong on any Packer forum ……… Pick a new team ….. Just go away.

      • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

        Hey, Rock, remember the 8-8 forecast; I figure we’ll have the first part of that by about game 10.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Monty’s(Jon?,Al?), last seven posts have included the following positive quotes: “I’m just a big a Packer fan”, “Rodgers is a monster”, “Offense is awesome” (then trashes Colledge), “Matthews, Woodson, Collins, are keepers”, “a pretty good draft this year” and the unforgettable “gasfasggagagagebbf”. The rest of his comments mirror the above 7:29; talk about ego. I guess the one I like the best is “Your opinions arent any better than mine” above. I did notice, however, that he was silent after the IND game so maybe we will not have to tolerate his tirades for at least about 13 weeks this season (as well as into the playoffs). “move to China!!” doesn’t make sense, as we all know China is moving here!

      • jonnyfootballhero

        LT, why do you think that when there are multiple fans that don’t always agree with TT or criticize his methods or decisions, they have to be the same person with multiple names? I am my own person who only has one name on this site. You seem to have others who agree with your ideas and opinions, yet I don’t feel the need to call you LarryTex(Rocky70,etc) as being the same person… get over it dude. People will have opinions that differ from your own. Believe it or not, I want what’s best for the Packers. I don’t have to blindly think that every move that TT makes or doesn’t make is correct for the team and I shouldn’t have to bite my tounge if I feel like expressing those opinions. It is possible to like some of the moves he made and not like others. Why shouldn’t I be allowed to express that? I do love that our Offense is going to be a power house that hopefully will be able to score at will. But I’m not gonna say that I’m satisfied with the pass defense or ST’s. I feel that more could have or still should be done to improve those situations.

        • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

          Who the hell said you didn’t? All you have to do is compare your own posts to monty’s and I think you’ll see the difference. And for the record, Dude, I have not agreed with everything TT has done either; its just a question of balance.

    • jimmyus333333

      Hey Monty…it’s still early. Don’t sweat it. Lay back a bit.
      I’m hoping I am wrong about the way the season is going to play out. I am skeptical that TT can field a Superbowl team, like most people believe he has already done in this blog.

      I’m going to hold back any judgement right now, because for better or for worse, we’ve got what we’ve got.
      In the enc, I am ready to pounce on these guys if the season turns sour, and they still don’t want TT fired.

      Anyway, just waiting for Sunday right now. It can’t get here fast enough.

  • Monty

    Larry, Google is censored in China as is all other free speech. the gagaadf was a test to see if my posts were working and I couldnt find the erase button on the blog. Im pissed cuz Ted didnt find a better return man than Nelson, didnt find a better OLB than Zombo didnt find a vet to play CB and thus let Shields develop more, and drafted again an injured player (Starks) that everyone is surprised he cant play and the fact if Grant goes down we have to rely on Jackson or Kuhn to run the ball. Ted and Mike speak of wanting to win Super Bowls but then dont put the best personnel in place. I did say something about Zombo after the Indy game and who needed to say anything, thought we had found a returner in cherry. But I do feel honored that you have read so many of my posts. Yeah Im an emotional Packer fan who wants to kick Philly’s A$$ and beat Butt Favre. I think we need better players to do it. BTW, here’s the ranking of all 32 head coaches from Sporting News

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=tsn-166944

    Thanks again Al for the most comprehensive Packer site. And Larry, last time I checked no one’s opinions weigh more than anyone elses, thats why they play the game. Ted and Mike could make me eat crow with a hot season….wouldnt love anything better.

  • Rick

    I have kept quiet both to avoid the diatribe towards the Packers in the previous post but to relax and look at the cuts with less emotion and as neutral eyes as I could.

    I do not disagree with any off the cuts except Toribio. A basic one postion NT player to back up Raji and keep him fresher mean we rotate better. Pickett is the only NT capable player on the team and he will be gassed himself as a starter LDE. Other than that my teo guys I hoped we would keep we did not.

    I would have liked to keep EDS but Spitz is the better player.

    Havner is gone, I feel bad because he played his heart out for us and did everything we asked. We just have surpassed him with the TE talent on the team and I guess his special teams work was deemed replaceable.

  • Pierre

    Most of those who evaluate team rosters and talent for a living have the team that TT has compiled being picked for the SB this season. Think you might want to temper your level of disdain for the man who has assembled one of the most talented (and youngest) teams in the NFL for 2010.
    Sure the defense is suspect in the passing area however most teams are that way. When the Steelers beat the Cardinals in the SB in ’08 Warner threw for almost 400 yards and yet the Steelers won. It just the way of the NFL today as the receivers have the advantage and passing teams with good QBs can dominate. Rodgers and the packers are ready to compete at the highest level, so let the shoot-outs begin; it should prove exciting. What more can you ask for in a team? Each game is realistically winable given this team’s talent and the majority of the odds-makers agree!

    • jimmyus333333

      Pierre,
      A couple reasons why it bothers me that we are “the youngest” and most “inexperienced” every year, is that becomes a recipe for leading the league in penalties, and in concert, worst in special teams.
      Maybe next year when the new player agreement is signed, and we have 18 games with rosters of 65 players, TT’s style of hanging on younger guys will stop hurting the success of the current season.

  • mel e mel

    “Jordy is adequate” wow. That means that you are cool with someone is clearly uncomfortable in the punt return role. That means you are fine with having inferior ST to the Chicago Bears and MN Queens. I am not cool with that. Even the greatest offenses ever assembled have slumps. LTex nothing personal I think we see things from different perspectives. TB game, poor ST play helped lose that game an ultimately put us on the road for the playoffs. On Northcutt, did he win any games for Detroit, Uhh well does the same apply for Calvin Johnson? Different strokes, I personally see Jordy on punts as an old lady trying to cross a busy street. She will get across, but its better she has help.

  • Larry

    To change the subject..I predict GB to beat Philly 33-17. I predict one defensive TD from Woody or Collins. I predict 3 sacks for GB (because of 3/5 step drops by Philly). Philly will run for 65 yards on 15 carries.

    Rogers QB rating will be 107. He’ll be sacked twice. GB runs for 117 yards with Grant doing the damage.

    Pick that apart!!!

    • Steve Cheez

      Enough of the vague generalities, Larry, how ’bout some specifics?

  • Larry

    PS.. punt and KO returns will suck!

  • http://Orlando Mark

    Young players are more prone to mistakes, getting fooled, misreads, and inconsistency. Like going from the Tampa game to the Cowboy game. However, I believe that the starters are more experienced this year other than the punter, safety and nickel back. So the youth won’t be as much of a problem as last year. I’m including the ugly start to the playoff game in the inexperienced category.

  • Pierre

    Last years’ SB participants both had weak STs and yet made it to the finals. Conclusion—unstoppable offenses can nullify inferior ST performance. The Packers have this elite offense and QB to compete with any other team in the NFL in scoring capability. ST improvement is desirable, more importantly in limiting the opponents return yardage, however not something to fret about given past history. The roster of starters for the Packers is actually quite “experienced” if you include the two on PUP. It is the overall roster that is the “youngest” as those who will take a more prominent role in the team’s success ongoing are there already.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Wow, what a breath of sanity does to clear air. Of course you’re right Pierre. That young team of ours now are veterans for the most part. The rookies that made the 53 are pretty special and can only make the team better. Combined with Raji and Matthews from last year (and I think Brad Jones too) this young team is in very good shape for future runs.
      Think of the history these guys also represent – the 70s and 80s but we lived through it, 6-10 but we still supported the team the next year. We might not win the SB this year but we’ll still be fans. Sure glad I feel the way I do as compared to those who think we’ll go 8-8. What pain they must feel.

  • mel e mel

    I believe 12-4 if ST improve significantly 14-2

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