Packers still focused

If the Packers 27-15 beat down of the Lions showed anything, it showed that when the Packers are in a big game, they play like it. For a week twelve regular season game, the stakes couldn’t have been much higher.

The brash Lions playing for respect and to get back in the division race against the Packers playing to continue their 16 game winning streak and send a message to their up and coming rivals.

Message sent.

The Packers beat the Lions eight ways to Sunday. 24-zip starting the fourth quarter. Happy Thanksgiving Detroit. Looks like 1962 is still your claim to fame.

The Packers showed that the Lions are not a threat to them, and at this point I’m not sure who is. The Cowboys looked very ordinary and the 49ers were manhandled by the Ravens. Complacency is the Packers worst enemy.

I think the Packers will remain focused until home field is wrapped up, which could easily be before the Packers’ last two games against the Bears and Lions. Is 16-0, or as head coach Mike McCarthy called the “bonus goal”, worth risking Aaron Rodgers to injury?

The Bears and especially the Lions would love to knock Rodgers out and kill the Packers chances to repeat as champions. To me, the Super Bowl is the ultimate goal and the Packers should forget about the bonus goal.

But as far as 12-0 goes, I still think the Packers are in for their toughest battle so far against the Giants. Even though the Giants are playing on a short week and the Packers have a long rest.

The Packers have been great at handling adversity on the field, now, with Erick Walden’s arrest we’ll see how they handle it off the field. I think Walden should be cut or removed from the roster in some fashion immediately. Out of sight and out of mind.

The Packers are 11-0 but nothing is locked up and now Walden’s arrest will be a big distraction. McCarthy’s job just got a helluva lot harder.

Walden was the guest on The Mike McCarthy show last week and McCarthy called him a “core player”. Really? Not anymore.

I’m glad the players have off until next Tuesday, things will settle down a bit by then and the Packers will have time to address the issue internally. I would suspend him for the remainder of the season at minimum.

If handled correctly this shouldn’t be a long term distraction and on the field the Packers can absorb the loss if Bishop and Hawk aren’t seriously hurt. Walden had a few good games but had Zombo not got hurt he probably would have ended up the starter.

For now the Packers are 11-0 and are not letting up. The defense is getting better and the offense is still ridiculous. I never said they peaked, I just raised the question. Thursday the Packers answered it.

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  • I Luv Brats

    If the last game of the season comes and the Packers are 15-0, McCarthy should do whatever he can to protect Rodgers and give the team a chance at an undefeated season.
    Max protection all game long.

    This isn’t much of a knock on Flynn, but Rodgers is naturally our best chance of being undefeated.

    • Jeff

      If we are 15-0 , I would not play Rodgers against that hack Suh, Flynn can beat the Lions at home , the Lions have not won in Wisconsin since 1991 and have lost 21 in a row.
      I would start Fynn , Jones , Driver, Cobb,Quarless and they will still beat the Lions.

  • I Luv Brats

    I never liked the idea of resting key players once playoff positioning has been secured. Full throttle until the end. Look at what happened with the Colts a few years ago. Caldwell rested Manning and most of the other starters and they lost the Super Bowl.
    You might not think there’s a connection but I think there is.

    • iccyfan

      The way the schedule ends almost mandates that McCarthy play the starters to the end, with two home games versus Bears and Lions (and that’s by NFL design). Lovie Smith played his starters for 3.5 quarters of a Week 17 game in hopes of knocking the Packers out last year, and we owe the Bears the same level of respect this year. If MM does that to the Bears in Week 16, he certainly can’t lay down for the Lions in Week 17. I’m with ILB on this one – keep the pedal to the metal; there’s time enough to rest starters during the playoff bye week!

  • chris k

    WOW, cut Erik Walden!–YOU dont even know what happened yet! Thats a real knee-jerk reaction and if we didn’t have Walden up until this point in the season we would be lesser of a team… There’s a reason he’s starting whether or not Zombo’s injury had anything to do with it.
    Quite a reach Zippy

    Glad you’re not the Packers GM haha

  • Pack Fan in ATL

    I have to agree with Chris. Innocent until proven (or plead) guilty right? I don’t like this any more than you do, but let it play out and see what happens. If this did indeed happen with no mitigating circumstances (legitimate self defense what have you) suspend, fine, and/or cut him as TT/MM sees fit, but don’t pass judgement till all the facts are in.

    As far as the Packs performance: Def looked great even with 400 yards of O. Offense once again shows it can’t be held down for an entire game and credit MM for awesome half time adjustments. How the giants handle the saints this week will go a long way in telling me what to expect next week. All in all, good to be a Packers fan.

    PS: Anyone hear anything about stock sale? Was half expecting it to start today…

  • I Luv Brats

    Does anybody listen to “Mike and Mike” on ESPN radio?? Yesterday Skip Bayless and Steven A. Smith were hosting the show and Skip Bayless actually said that, in a 4th quarter situation with the game on the line, he would take Tim Tebow over Aaron Rodgers.
    Is that insane or what??? LOL. What is it with Tim Tebow?? Yeah, he’s got a 4-1 record as a starter but does the team win because of him or in spite of him??

    • http://Orlando Mark

      Brats, Bayless does that to stir people up. I wanted us to take Tebow in the fourth round because he could be a change of pace option QB/RB. He does have some skills.
      Too bad about Walden. I hope he gets a second chance and makes some use out of it. Jolly and Underwood couldn’t benefit from their second chances but I never heard of Walden having problems before so maybe he can.

      • I Luv Brats

        So he intentionally sounds like an idiot just to stir up people? He’s a moron. I always thought Bucky Brooks was an idiot but Bayless makes him sound pretty smart.

    • iccyfan

      I caught Bayless and Steven A for about five minutes on Wednesday (rebroadcast of First Take on ESPN 2). Bayless compared Tebow to point guard Magic Johnson and Smith almost had a coronary; Kordell Stewart was so worked up he literally couldn’t get words to come out of his mouth properly. As much as I dislike Skip Bayless, it was pretty funny how flustered his opposition got. Which is all the more reason Aaron Rodgers should NEVER entertain the Bayless invitation to appear on First Take….

      • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

        iccy, even Crybaby (damn, I cannot remember his name but his initials are JE) thinks he’s a new Bobby Douglas and not a QB. Runners cannot survive in this league.

  • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

    Don’t overlook this Saine kid, he’s f-a-s-t! Has potential to be a better Bjax. Another one of those league overlooked guys that TT feasts on. Can catch and sneak in behind the big bodies as well. The Starks surprise of 2011? He’s working hard to catch up.

  • Larry

    Saine is the next reason we’ve seen the last of Grant after this year. (Contract/Starks/Green/Saine) Approach 30 … one foot out the door it seems. Look for a Finley/Rodgers contract extension in the off-season funded by Grant, Driver, Clifton.

    We’ll probably see Sherrod active over the next couple of weeks because of the Sitton injury. I’m not sure we’ll see a blow out except for the KC game but I’m wondering is anyone is interested in seeing Baluga at LT and Sherrod at RT. Although Newhouse has really impressed me. I’m guessing that Sherrods immediate future is the swing tackle with Lang a distant 4th.

    • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

      Its confusing right now ’cause it seems everyone is playing out of natural position on the OL. All tackles and no guards with Colledge gone…………?

    • Kevin Roth

      Nods Larry – I agree 100% about Grant, although I’m not sure what to think about Saine yet, need to see more. I sure hope Green can come back and dominate next season – his college film is quite impressive.

  • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

    Finley has all the makings of another Javon Walker – and you all know how long he stayed around. The lack of confidence in him, I have, and always have had since college (a T-Sip) is that he spells TEAM with an I. I hope I’m wrong, and could be, if he signs – But!

  • Mel e Mel

    SOTO ZOMBO Lattimore > Walden. Walden may last the season and thats about it. This may open up a roster spot.

  • Larry

    Interesting comment LarryAZ…if you’re right and you MAY be…with 5 TE’s I’m not sure we have 1. I’m not high on Quarless (terribly inconsistent) , Crabtree is more of a blocker, Williams is smallish and Taylor is unknown as a TE but a ST ace.

    Finley by far is the most talented but if his head isn’t right and his contract demand too much he may not be around. What do you do with a top 5 talent on a team as deep as this? In NE or Dallas he would have 75/80 catches or more but here he probably won’t. The good news is that TE’s aren’t paid as well as receivers so if we overpay it won’t hurt as much…IF

    • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

      Well, maybe its attitude or concentration, I can’t know but TE should be a major strength of this team and I think the RBs and certainly the WRs are.
      Speaking of the WRs – count me in as originally wondering “What the hell is going on out there” when Bennett was named WR coach. That was quite a quote from Driver in Zeller’s piece on the WRs and goes to explain the great YAC #s we get. “Every (WR) coach we’ve ever had has either played wide receiver in college or the NFL. Edgar is different, he played running back. A coach who played wide receiver is going to talk about protecting yourself or catching the ball and getting out of bounds”. Then he follows up with “he wants you to break tackles”. Plenty of evidence its working, I’d say.
      We should watch the NYG Monday nite. They are having the same problem we are regarding injuries on the OL. Sure hope this doesn’t turn into the 6-10 year experience.

    • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

      Some might think I’m giving too much credence to the RBs given their stats, but think of the scheme we run and the OL we have built. I think Grant and Starks are a good team, and am really impressed with Saine. I know they even have a couple of packages for Cobb too, but have not seen it yet.

    • iccyfan

      It’s hard to tell what will happen with Finley. A couple weeks ago, he was quoted as saying he’d welcome the franchise tag. I was a little surprised by that on two fronts. 1) Most players hate “the tag” because it doesn’t come with the coveted guaranteed signing bonus; & 2) I thought it was a little premature because frankly he hasn’t been playing like a top-five TE!

      Then the news hits that Finley’s agent is suggesting he should be franchised as a WR rather than a TE because he’s not used like a traditional TE! There’s a big difference is contract value in that designation…

      Bottom Line: I guess I’m not too worried about it either way. I think he’s probably worth a TE franchise tag (~$5.3M / Yr in 2012 due to the new labor agreement), and if that doesn’t get it done, let him seek greener pastures elsewhere. Quarless’ inconsistency might stem from lack of opportunity; if not, D.J. Williams could be the pass-receiving answer to a Finley departure. In any case, I feel the Packers are “prepared” to go forward…

      • http://jlworden1@suddenlink.net LarryAz

        Some interesting comparisons: Finley 6-5 247 4.67, Quarless 6-4 252 4.69, Williams 6-2 245 4.6, w/ no data on undrafted Crabtree. Finley seems to have a cabeza problem, Quarless had a college off-field problem but hasn’t seemed to with the Pack, and Williams described as another WR like Finley has been, but would make an excellent H-Back if anybody uses them anymore. Yeah, I too, think one shot for Finley at 5M, but it would be a “prove it” situation. Hate to say it but I just haven’t been able to stay warm and fuzzy with him – somethings missing.

    • http://Orlando Mark

      I’m a worrier but the one thing I have no worries about is Finley. He either will or won’t play himself into a good contract from TT with his performance this year. He has every reason to do his best unlike players who have bad contracts. I may be wrong but I believe Finley can improve and I know he has talent. He’s even taken a lower profile than his first two years.

      • Reid

        I posted this before but worth repeating. Franchise Finley and see how he reacts to the bigger money. If he has “issues”, they will be revealed when he gets $5M+. If he behaves himself during the franchise process and produces, then work toward something longer term. He’s not worth the risk of a $30M+ contract and like others have noted here, we have quite a few up and comers backing him up.

  • Larry

    GB for some reason generally hasn’t used the franchise tag, at least I can’t remember a player actually playing under the tag…I’m not sure why but we haven’t. That is not to say we won’t or can’t. The issue perhaps is that if a player earns a great contract in the franchise year the price has just gone up on the contract.

    Maybe Al or Rick has some incite??

    • Rick

      You are correct Larry. Normally Green Bay does not play with a tagged player.

      Though technically the Packers used the franchise tag in Feb 2010 on Pickett, a contract was agreed to before camp.
      No franchise tag used in 2009
      Franchise tag used Feb 2008 on Corey Williams – to help force a better trade(2nd rnd) from Browns.

      Top 5 in position average is the deal and it can be converted to signing bonus if a longer contract can be agreed to. Or you retag him the next season.

  • Rick

    A franchise tag on Findley makes sense to make sure he stays hungery.
    With Driver probably at the end of his career keeping James Jones looks to be a great move. Saine has a chance to show what he has got while Green is out hurt and we can see which one takes over for Grant next year.

    • LarryAz

      IF, or when, that happens, they both do. Been quite a while since we’ve seen the quickness of these three. I don’t care what the tape/clock say they are all quicker than Grant. Finally!

  • LarryAz

    The Jones thing last year made me think back as to why we signed Cobb. Well, now we know; really as a return man who can play WR, unlike the guys at MIN and CHI. With regard to Finley again I remember we went through this with Jones too.

  • iccyfan

    If you want a good laugh, google search “Joe Kapp” and watch the video of him fighting an old adversary at a recent CFL alumni banquet. The Vikes might want to bring Joe back to provide a little spark to their team!

  • Jeff

    Every week you say the upcoming game will be toughest for the Packers and I said last week the the Lions would not be a problem , I guess I have to teach the class again this week , the Packers will blow the Giants out ! Here is why,,,
    The Packers will have 11 days for this game and the Giants will be coming off a tough Monday night road game on the road,
    The Giants and Coughlin never win when we get to December,
    Bradshaw is never 100 % for the Giants.
    Last year the Packers beat the the Giants by 3o and the Giants have not made up 30 points on the Packers , Packers are better than they we last time the 2 teams played.
    The Giants have not played well at home this year and never have under coughlin.
    You think the Lions secondary is bad , the Giants’ secondary is even worse.
    Packers 30 – Giants 19

  • Rick

    So do we root for the ‘Aints or the little giants tonite??

    • Mark

      A tough miserable game for both teams ending in an overtime tie would be nice. I’ll bet our coaches are going to be glued to the TV looking for holes.

  • Jeff

    A giant loss would be their second in a row going into a month where they just do not win often and rarely do they win at home in December , A Giant loss off a short week may be too much for them to handle and overcome.

  • Rick

    Saints looked good and seemed to show the way to beat the Giants. But the Giants at the Meadowlands, with their crowd, and outside is a different animal for the Packers.

  • Rick

    Two of our favorite UDFA made it and where they are:

    Jarred Fayson, WR, Illinois

    Top recruit from Florida that followed Zook to Illinois after Fayson’s brother died. Buried behind Arrelious Benn ( Tampa Bay )on the depth chart he finished with limited numbers. He finished his degree early and is no dummy. Has heart and desire which was lacking in 07 and 08. His prima donna bubble popped a while ago. 6’0” 207lbs ran a 4.38 and a shuttle of 4.31 COD= 0.07 .

    Updated: He was one of my top 5 UDFA invites I mentioned back in May during the lockout. Signed to practice squad by the Saints he looked very good in camp and did well on the scout team. Nov 22nd Colts claimed him from Saints.

    Henry Hynoski, FB Pitt

    We get to see iccy’s fan favorite undrafted player play as a battering ram for the Giants next week. After suffering a severe neck stinger in week 5 (a hit so hard on Aaron Curry that Hynoski shoulders pad were broken by the impact) he played in a losing effort against the ‘Aints last Monday night.

    Should be a hard fought and fun game to watch on Sunday.

    • iccyfan

      I liked both Charles Clay from Tulsa from Henry Hynoski of Pitt, or maybe it was more I knew Korey Hall would be leaving and really wanted Quinn Johnson gone! Little did I know we’d only keep one fullback and five tight ends! It seems to have worked out fine and I did get to watch both Korey and Henry play last night…

  • LarryAz

    Doesn’t seem likely that it would happen given the 16-0 chance, BUT!
    NYG are just in horrible shape as far as I can read into their write-ups. Strange for a big media market team that usually can do no wrong with that press. I sure hate to get over confident against a team that has gotten weaker, and weaker every week………..!

  • LarryAz

    Chuckle of the day: That three-way rotation substitution for Suh is a real laugh. A #13 pick who cannot break into the line-up and a GB castoff in the mix. You think we’ve got problems?

  • LarryAz

    Chuckle of the day: Det to replace Suh with a three-man rotation. Thing is, that as strong as they’re supposed to be at DT (4-3) the group includes a #13 pick who cannot break into the line-up and a GB castoff. And you think we’ve got problems?

    • LarryAz

      As Vince would say “What the hells going on out there?”, LarryAz?

      • LarryAz

        Ah hah, got caught in the conversion to newer v. older comments.

    • Mark

      The Lions are in the rear view mirror and we’ve got people talking about the Raiders. I can only hope the team is more focused. A lot of bad weather games coming up where defense and the run game become more important. So far this year both are unproven which should keep us fans from counting our chickens.

  • Mel e Mel

    Schwartz made a backhanded slap at the Packers “Corey Williams is playing the best football of his career” I believe Kyle Orton and the Chiefs will be the biggest test.

    • LarryAz

      Well Mel, so does Twentyman. Great praise for a guy with 22 tackles including 9 assists. He averaged 25/year with us until the contract year of 35. Actually he played very well at CLE with 50 his first year, but then down to 31 the next. He is only starting now because of injuries and as usual half his #s are assists. Maybe thats par for a 4-3 guy, I don’t know.

  • Larry

    IMO this is the one! This will be the real test of the 16-0 quest. The giants are capable of playing very good football and capable of playing bad football. This time of year you don’t know which. That’s problem one…a conservative game plan could backfire. 2nd…this is not a home game…winning on the road is more difficult. 3rd…the front 4…against our injured Oline. EDS has a half under his belt and comes in 12-15 pounds smaller than Sitton. He’s a fighter but he’ll give up some ground.

    Manning is a streak QB…he can be very good or not so. Same with the receivers…they’re all capable of making great plays just not consistently. Collins has been missed from our secondary and Woodson giveth and taketh away. Cruz could be the mismatch that causes Woodson to grab more than usual. His usual 2 penalties could be more.

    The Giants need this game, frankly we do not. Will Starks get 20 carries or will MM choose to bring him back slowly in preparation for the stretch run. I’m betting we see more subbing at LB as well given both Hawk and Bishop are rehabbing calf injuries.

    I’m not predicting a loss, I am predicting a test!

    • iccyfan

      I would’ve agreed with you a couple weeks ago, but not now. The Giants season is on life support and the diagnosis is bleak. The grim reaper is thought to be in route (from Wisconsin)…

      The G-Men are the polar opposites of the Green Bay Packers. Beginning in 2010, when a Packer goes down, those around him pick up their play and the “next man in” does the job (in some cases, better – Desmond Bishop!). I watched the Giants play on Monday night and they have no heart; Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz and that slow TE drop passes left and right. My guess is that (lack of heart) stems from the top; Tom Coughlin routinely throws players under the bus and Eli Manning has no fire! They NEEDED to beat Philadelphia; they didn’t do that and simply rolled over in New Orleans. They’re done! Packers roll to a large fourth quarter lead when the G-Men add a couple garbage time TD’s to make it look closer than it is (and pad iccyfan’s Eli Manning fantasy QB statistics). Packers – 45 Giants – 27.

  • Pierre

    Actually (just thinking ahead to the playoffs) the Saints seem to have more offensive firepower in passing and running (combined) than the Packers. They looked unstoppable against the Giants Monday night with a pressure offense that just does not let up.They appear to pose the biggest threat, especially with TE Graham playing even better that Finley and all other players at that position in the NFC. He is the number one pass catcher and is right up there in TDs also. Would be a relief seeing the 49ers knock the Saints out in the playoffs in Frisco.

    • Rick

      You are so correct we need the 49ers to stay hot and get the #2 seed. I prefer to face the 49ers in Green Bay at the end of January then the ‘Aints.

    • Mark

      I agree with both of you. Thank goodness if we get them it will be at Lambeau. They’re a different team in the playoffs away from the Superdome, like Seattle last year.

  • Larry

    N.O is certainly the most formidable challenge in the NFC but that game won’t arrive until 6 more are played if at all.

  • Mel e Mel

    I fear SF more than N.O. New Orleans cant even beat Seattle on the road. SF at least can play some Defense. Get a couple of Stops vs. NO and they will fold. SEE TB (ST. Freakin Louis) and of course the Pack.

    • LarryAz

      Oh, but Mel, you’re forgetting that as late as a couple of years ago a lot of Packer fans were bitching because Peyton was a better coach than MM.

      • Mark

        LarryAZ, Payton is a good coach but his personel on defense was mostly older players who’ve been cut or gone downhill since they won the SB. Also, I believe MM has upgraded his staff from a couple of years ago and he’s improved.

      • iccyfan

        What’s that have to do with anything? I still think Sean Payton is at least as good if not better than MM. They’re both great HC’s and neither runs his team’s defense. Dom Capers is responsible for ours and Gregg Williams (who the Packers attempted to hire) is running theirs. Both franchises also feature great GM’s – Mickey Loomis has taken an absolutely miserable team and built it into a consistent winner. As we’ve said many times, that’s all you can ask for as a fan, namely that your team be in a position to compete for titles. They are…

      • Mark

        Iccy, as you point out Loomis has done a good job. The interesting thing is he’s the polar opposite of TT. The Saints are built on free agents starting with Brees down the line to the great pickup this year of Sproles. Where TT has a pathogical aversion to FA’s, fortunately he’s a draft wizard.

      • LarryAz

        And to think I thought it was Ditka.

  • Jeff

    Packers have just clinched a win in New York , that fool Adam Schefter has picked against them again.
    Giants D coordinator said they will get after Rodgers , yeah right with Osi hurt and even if he wasnt Rodgers is still torching that pathetic Giant secondary.
    Giants are bad in December under Coughlin and they are bad again this year at home with bad home losses to Philly and Seattle and they should have lost at home to Miami.
    The them is the same this week where for the Packers to lose they would have to lose the turnover battle by 4 and that is impossible with the way Manning turns the ball over and we do not turn it over.
    Packers 30 – Giants 16

  • Larry

    I’m still haunted by the Arizona playoff game in 2009. N.O is that type of team although our D is much better than that year. S.F. cannot win the track meet but N.O surely can. Both would be great games but the marquis match-up on so many levels is Saints/Packers.

    But first we need to beat the Giants.

  • LarryAz

    Hey, guys, I think we’d better stick with being concerned about the NYG before we worry about SF or NO. I’ll tell you though one look at their injury report and you’d think they have no chance.
    Problem is that their coach staff is so angry at the player’s lack of effort you know they brought the hammer down this week in practice. My usual match ups put GB 20+ pts up, BUT how many times has the “any given Sunday” rule kicked in when you least expect it?
    Based on what I’ve seen from the Pack the last couple of games I don’t think our players are going to take a day off. They truly seem to be taking them “one game at a time”.

  • Rick

    Well Sunday will be a case of next man up with both Hawk and Bishop out at MLB.

  • Larry

    5 subs against the Giants. I guess we’re trying to make it a a fair fight!

    • LarryAz

      Aw, Larry, MM is just starting to rest them one or two at a time. Shoot, gotta win the 12th one before the 16th or 19th.

    • Rick

      Darn it Larry, now I have the $5 footlong ad running through my head……..

  • LarryAz

    I get a kick out of the “Tebow Magic”. Those types never make it big, although Douglas and McNabb did pretty good and we never could catch Tarkenten. What do you call it when you put a D guy on an O guy and follow him all over the field. Everybody is just going to school on him right now.

    • LarryAz

      I guess he is a lot bigger than Ware, but not Douglas, and I doubt McNabb.

    • Mark

      I think Tebow can be listed as getting the most out of what the good lord gave him. A lot better athletes and passers like JaMarcus Russell, David Carr and Ryan Leaf weren’t able to use what they had. Tebow, like his running back McGahee probably shouldn’t have been drafted #1( McGahee had to rehab a full year after the draft) but if they hadn’t it’s possible neither one would have gotten an opportunity to start and they’ve made the most of it.

  • iccyfan

    Article on the main page titled “Thompson Relects on Drafting Rodgers” and it lists the players selected in 2005 before Aaron. There’s only one elite player on that list (DeMarcus Ware) and one other very good (Derrick Johnson) performer; the Vikings passed on him twice to select Troy Williamson and Erasmus James! As good as TT is at finding talent, we had a measure of good luck in Rodgers dropping all the way to #24. Of course we can be thankful that TT stayed true to his BPA philosophy and selected a QB when we certainly didn’t need one! If not for either, we wouldn’t be debating “undefeated” versus “SB Title” versus “why can’t we have both?”!!! :) It’s an awesome time to be a GBP fan…

    • LarryAz

      AMEN!

  • LarryAz

    Without that Rodgers pick, would Favre still be our QB?

    • Mark

      LarryAZ, I don’t think our QB would be Flynn or Brohm so there’s a good chance. And we’d have the Vikings record for the past 3 years.

  • Larry

    So glad we have Rodgers but I find the Favre bashing a little strange. His final year with GB ended in the NFC championship game with a poor throw interception. His first year with the Jets…he was playoff bound until the arm injury severely affected his throwing. The decision to continue with Favre was totally a Jets coaching decision. A stronger coach or organization would have sat him. GB response would be speculation but is MM stronger than Mangini?

    First year with Minny was perhaps his best statistically but ended again with a poor decision interception. This was in my opinion the most boneheaded throw he made EVER, but again he got his team to the NFC championship while GB continued to rebuild and develop its QB.

    The final Minny year was the decline that every QB eventually has. Unitas, Namath, Starr, Kelly…all left with a whimper. Aikman, Young, Morino with injury. GB wins the superbowl with the youngest team in the league and a rising star at QB.

    If we leave the last Minny year out of the equation…Favre has two NFC championship losses and an 8-5 Jets record with a severe arm injury and a dumb coach. Mangini later got fined for failing to expose the injury.

    TT’s approach (ala Wolfe) is the right approach…draft a couple years in advance of the need…and let some other team bear the brunt of the “sunset years”. TT applies this with all positions, right or wrong and seems to be able to draft very good players. GB paid its “transistion dues” and due to great personnel decisions came out the backside stronger. Judging correctly that Rodgers was equal to and better than Favre (no boneheaded throws) I might mention prematurely that this MAY BE the first time in NFL history that back to back HOF players had the second QB be better than the first.

    As I view it (in the minority) BF had 3 good years left in the tank…theoretically one more than many thought and had Rodgers NOT BEEN TAKEN we would have been very competitive those 3 years.

    Rodgers is better but if we get the bias out of our system we may all agree we did just fine with BF as QB. This should stir the pot!!!!

  • LarryAz

    Excellent write up, Larry, the subject will be debated yet for several years until those of us who lived through it are gone.
    My two cents – the boneheaded, cock sure, stupid, throws into double and triple coverage aside BF was tremendous QB. He deserves HOF recognition.
    However, IMO a leader he was not. I still hold to my three knocks on him: 1) Lack of support for Cliffy when Sapp took him out; 2) Lack of help to Rodgers for the good of the team long range; and 3) The locker room separation with the private quarters at the end (perhaps not entirely his fault, but I doubt it).
    To me those things are a lack of character, to say nothing of whats gone on after he left the Pack. I just think ARod is a lot more cerebral and will let it go at that. Again, I liked your piece.