Might as well suspend Matthews now

Now that Brian Cushing has been suspended by the NFL for four using PED’s, the national media has been all over Clay Matthews. It appears that because Matthews was a teammate of Cushing he also used PEDs, even though by that analogy the entire 2008 USC team used drugs.  Just because Matthews is the only one of the three linebackers drafted out of USC last year that hasn’t gotten into to trouble doesn’t make him a bad guy who just hasn’t got caught yet, there is a possibility he is a good guy.

Notorious Packers’ hater Kevin Seifert of ESPN had this to say:

“Nowhere am I suggesting that Matthews should come under more scrutiny now that one of his college teammates has tested positive. But we would be naïve to think that ignoring the connection would help diminish its legitimacy”.

First of all in the first sentence of that quote he is bringing Matthews under more scrutiny because one of teammates tested positive. In fact that was the whole point of his column (here). Secondly, what exactly is the “connection” he is talking about? Being a teammate? If that is the case Reggie Bush must be on drugs too. He played with Cushing, Matthews and Rey Maualuga in 2005. Mark Sanchez surely was on the juice too. What a joke. A guy puts on 20 pounds in fours years of college and all of sudden he’s on drugs. Lifting weights and working out would never do that to a young kid.

Sefert then says he wished Matthews would come out and publicly state that he never took steriods (again). Apparently the old “innocent until proven guilty” means nothing to Vikings’ fans. Matthews doesn’t have to say a damn thing. Only guys that are guilty make statements like that. Matthews is clean, bottom line. If Matthews ever tests positive for drugs I’ll shut down Packernet. And not just for a day this time (maybe two).

I think Matthews will be all the more determined than ever because of these events and if I were a QB in the NFC North I know where Matthews is at all times. As far as Sefert and ESPN, what did you expect when they put a Vikings’ fan in charge of their NFC North blog? That’s like WDUZ putting a Broncos’ fan, Bears’ fan and 49er’s fan on the air to talk about the Packers. I’ll never understand the thinking behind those kinds of decisions, nor do I want to

What a society we live in.

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  • snyz

    sefert just doing what vikings fans do best, talk about anything but championships. oh, and also how so great their team SHOULD be. i love that there are two of five “missing rings” episodes on the vikings.

  • This isn’t like baseball in the 90’s, NFL players and Matthews are tested. And, obviously the testing works. Siefert should be ashamed of himself. I had a worry after the draft that Matthews was a steroid guy and would really suffer like Mandarich when he had to stop because of testing. TT did his job of investigating and Matthews was clean. The Starcaps deal is more complicated. The Williams’ guys have to be suspended to uphold the rules. But in the interest of the league they should negotiate to two or three games to get it out of the courts and get it done, finally.

  • PackerPete

    well Al, I asked you numerous times to shit-can that a-hole seifert and his propoganda column from Packernet.

    I hate all things minny-crap-hole including hacks with a web log – blog.

    Please Al, please just say no to that fecal content.

  • Reid

    I gained 40 pounds in college, I must be on PED’s too….or, maybe it was the pizza, the beer, and figuring out how to workout properly.

  • roy jamison

    I must announce that I, too, have been a victim of performance enhancing pizzas. And, of course, what better to slush it down but with an ice-cold performance enhancing beer?
    BTW, I wonder where Colledge fits in now that he signed for 1.7?

  • Rick

    LT – Clifton / Bulaga
    LG – Colledge/ Newman
    C – Wells / Spitz
    RG – Sitton/ Dietrich
    RT – Tauscher / Lang

    Spitz will be the main backup for either interior G position in addition to Center.
    Barbe and Guacomole are the other OL for depth on roster.

  • Mel e Mel

    I bet Seifert doesnt even know that the Matthews family has more than 40 years of NFL experience. Matthews has denied this because all scrutiny surronding his rise from a walk-on to the 1st round. Meanwhile 2 vikes did test positive for a banned substance. Seifert would rather live in the land of make believe.

  • Steve Cheez

    Me, too, Reid and Roy (Royd?). I can pack on 40 pounds without even breaking a sweat. PED= Potbelly Enducing Donuts.

  • Packer_Bob

    “Just because Matthews is the only one of the three linebackers drafted out of USC last year that hasn’t gotten into to trouble doesn’t make him a bad guy who just hasn’t got caught yet”

    Certainly it doesn’t make him a bad guy. But interestlingly enough, most of you haven’t even addressed the deal against Cushing.

    The way I heard it on ESPN, he had elevated levels of a naturally occurring hormone that wouldn’t even have been a positive test one scant year prior.

    Testing positve for a PED doesn’t always mean steroids. In fact, there are banned substances on the NFL list that don’t even correlate with enhanced performance. In the case of the Williams wall, for example, the judge basically sided with their atttorney and said it was bullshit but thought that didn’t mean they should be able to escape NFL sanction. Take that for what it’s worth, but that’s how I read it.

    I’m not saying Mathews is on juice—–I’m just saying in the current climate, it would be the height of naivete, and the ultimate homer act, to just assume he isn’t since he’s a Packer. Cushing passed every test prior to “testing positive”, such as it was, also.

    I like the kid. I hope he’s cleaner than the board of health. But I understand, if not condone, the questions.

  • Well, P_B I’m naive and a homer too. Shoot, like most of you I was 145 at 17 and 185 at 21.
    Rick, I’m with you; lets start (and get thru the Pre injury free) with that lineup and see where their play gets them during the year….! I’m a-tinken some surprises are in that group.

  • Rocky70

    @ Iccy

    ” Rocky70 Says: March 8th, 2010
    “Charles Brown, Bruce Cambell, Bryan Bulaga …………. One of these three will be taken somewhere in round 1 by GB ………. Bank on it.”

    Where was I wrong ? …………. Bulaga was my choice way back when ………. Unlike some who chose many in the first round & still chose wrong.

    Check out the Vikes first seven games of season 2010 ………….. I could see a 2-5 start for them with or without BF. ……….. (BTW, it’s starting to feel like BF never even played in GB ……….. I like that.)

  • iccyfan

    Rock, as much crap as you throw around in here, there’s no way I’m letting you take credit for the Bulaga selection. You were suggesting Ted trade the first, third & fifth round selections to move up for Bulaga! If that didn’t work you wanted Charles Brown or Bruce Campbell in the first round. We now know Brown lasted until the final selection of round two and Campbell lasted until the fourth round!

    Rick & I had discussed Bulaga well before you jumped on the bandwagon; here’s a comment that predates yours by a month:

    iccyfan Says: February 11th, 2010 at 9:03 am
    “On the issue of OT’s, priority #1 has to be getting Clifton & Tauscher re-signed for next season. There’s not much out there in the UFA OT market and it wouldn’t be a huge surprise if one or both received interest from others. They’re 33 & 32 respectively and not ready to push up daisies yet…Even so, the organization MUST locate the LT of the future. Going into last season, fans were led to believe Colledge could slide out when the time came – I’m guessing that plan has been run thru the shreader! Lang might be able to do it but some question his overall athleticism. This would appear to be an above-average draft for OT’s; I’m completely opposite LT on this issue and if a quality prospect falls to us at #23 I’d be shocked if Ted didn’t pounce on him. I’m still hoping against hope that Brian Bulaga falls…”

    Not to toot my own horn too much, but that’s a called-shot homerun in regards to how the OT situation sorted itself out.

  • MF

    Sigh. Seifert isn’t a fan of any one team. As a Packer fan living in Minnesota I can assure you there are just as many Vikings fans who think he’s a Vikings hater because he is often critical of the team.

    I agree that the general theme of his post about Matthews is incorrect, but labeling him a Viking fan because he lives in Minnesota is childish. Heck, half the fun of being stuck in MN is listening to him rip the Vikings after losses for their mistakes.

  • Packer_Bob

    “labeling him a Viking fan because he lives in Minnesota is childish.”

    Welcome to the board.

  • Rocky70


    Your attempts at rewriting history are futile ………… Next you’ll be trying to convince everyone that you picked all eight draft picks ………… Anyone can throw a thousand darts at the board ……….. One’s bound to hit the bulls-eye eventually ……… Your analysis (especially in hindsight) is moot & requires (on my part) no more of a response than this post.

  • Rocky70

    From an unnamed GM on Cushing:

    ” “We did our research on him before the draft last year and we concluded he was a chronic steroid user dating back to high school,” the unnamed G.M. said. “More than a few people were surprised when he passed the steroid tests at the combine. I think the guy became a pro at masking it, until he was caught. I definitely would have taken my vote back on that [defensive rookie of the year] award if I had one. “

  • Rocky70

    How about an Ex-teammate at USC on Cushing:

    ” A former USC teammate offered up an indictment of Cushing’s offseason training methods in comments made to SI.com’s Ross Tucker: “I don’t know for sure that he takes anything,” the player said, “but every time he goes back to New Jersey for a while over the summer and then comes back to Los Angeles he looks like a different person. It is unreal. “

  • iccyfan

    No revisionist history here, Rockman. As the draft approached, I didn’t think there’d be a tackle worth drafting available at #23, so I predicted Kyle Wilson. That would be my one and only prediction. Interestingly enough, Kyle Wilson was drafted in round one, unlike your Charles Brown or Bruce Campbell…

    I didn’t prognosticate beyond Round One, but PackerPete did and was pretty successful at identifying players Ted liked. Kudos to PP – lumps of coal to Rocky00…

  • I guess the writers who voted again for Cushing are sending a message that cheating is OK. They are encouraging players like Peppers, Merriman and now Cushing to go ahead and cheat and maybe you won’t get caught. Even if you do nobody cares. This is bad for sportsmanship and bad for players health down to the high school level. I used to think it was management looking the other way and corrupt doctors who are to blame for steroids. Writers?

  • Rocky70

    Per Iccy:

    ” I didn’t think ……… ”

    Most accurrate post you’ve made in awhile………. LOL.

  • Mel e Mel

    The AP Voters, Baseball writers, naive judges etc. are going to open the door for Federal legislation. By the way forget to Rookie of the year 2006. Romanowski of the 97 Broncos was a proven roider but we dont get that Trophy do we ?

  • At least Merriman and Peppers just shut up and served their suspensions. Cushing must have really been shocked that he got caught after masking his drug use in the combine. From what I can see it takes a while for the PED guys to come back once they have to stop using so don’t expect any All-Pro awards for this guy next year.

  • Packer_Bob

    I’m not trying to be salty here, just asking a question: I saw Cushing today be very adamant about not taking anything.

    Granted, it could be bullshit, but is anybody quite clear about exactly what he (allegedly) did other than test high for a naturally occurring hormone? It’s not like he got caught with Nandrolone in his system, at least as far as I know.

    I’m reminded of when Jim Miller (mister buff) got busted for the Bears for a “banned substance” that was in some shit he bought at GNC. Understand, I’m not sticking up for Cushing, I know very little about him.

    Just asking.

  • Rocky70


    ” Granted, it could be bullshit, but is anybody quite clear about exactly what he (allegedly) did other than test high for a naturally occurring hormone? ”

    Once I find the link I’ll post it …………. That naturally occurring hormone you are referring to is prevalent in pregnant women & can be found in men who have testicular cancer ……… Or someone who is trying to mask steroid use …….. It is not natural in a healthy 20 something male …..

  • Rocky70
  • Cushing must really think people are dumb. To blame it on tumors? I love his promise to investigate how it got in his system. Kind of like O.J.’s ongoing search for the real killer. Funny stuff. Steroids must make you stupid too. Just do a Google on Cushing and look at some of the before and after pictures, there is no question he was juicing.

  • Reid

    Uh, I don’t think steroids make you stupid. A person who makes the choice to do them, and do them to the extent they get caught, was already stupid before he took them.

  • Rocky70

    ” If he’s lying, he’ll be guilty of an act so despicable as to defy comprehension. Then again, he was cornered. HCG is a hormone found mostly in women and frequently used by steroid users to increase low testosterone levels.

    If a male has elevated levels of hCG, there seems to be two likely explanations: testicular cancer or steroid use. ”


  • Packer_Bob

    Ok, after further review and some research into this (and Rocky’s link, thanks Rock) I conclude this guy is a lying piece of shit.

    The odds of this guy being a cheater and a liar are huge, especially if you read what some former teammates had to say. I didn’t save the link, but I was particularly struck by one that said while he didn’t know for sure that Cushing was on anything (and how could you unless he shoots up right in front of you) he was suspicious when Cushing came back from offseason workouts looking like a different person.

    It’s just too bad this may have cheated Mathews from the award, assuming Mathews is clean. But if he is, he has whole career in front of and plenty of time to make a mark on the league.

  • Jones will start at LOLB!

  • Rocky70

    Can TC come soon enough ……….. A little Packer player news …………

    ” Per the Associated Press, Bulaga cranked out 14 home runs while taking batting practice with the Milwaukee Brewers on Saturday.
    Bulaga reportedly parked “several” into the upper deck at the place where the Brewers play their homes games. ”


    “I want it all,” Finley said as the Packers prepared to begin voluntary off-season workouts Monday. “I want to be the best tight end in the league, and I want to be a better father, husband and teammate.
    “I want people to know they can look at Jermichael Finley and say, ‘That’s a Packer.’ That’s what I’m shooting for.”


  • LT, I can see a lot of ways Jones will be OK. If the new linemen or Raji can force the middle to make the QB move outside. If we aren’t so afraid of our DB’s that we can blitz them. If Matthews continues to improve and the protection is tilted to him. Jones hasn’t shown he can pressure the QB without help and in our scheme he’s not enough of a threat. Not big enough, not fast enough, not relentless enough. Of course the biggest improvement comes in the second year and we don’t have anyone better so I think you’re right.

  • Rocky70

    @ Mark

    ” Not big enough, not fast enough, not relentless enough. ”

    B. Jones started only seven games as a rookie in 2009 but yet you post like he’s been around for several years ……… It’s way too early to peg him as you do …….. Funny how the experts (pundits, sportswriters & coaching staff) view him differently than your analysis …………. Maybe you need to wait awhile or do a little more research.

    To add to that ………. If you think GB is going to somehow land another All-Pro OLB opposite CM3 (in the next several years) then you truly are being influenced by your favorite ‘fantasy football sites’ ………. Unlikely to ever happen.

  • Rocky, you’re right. Were not going to get anyone else. Chillar and Poppinga wouldn’t be an improvement. Adalius Thomas would be someone to look at but like DeMarcus Russell that would be way out of character for TT. So I’m going to hope Jones is adequate.

  • Larry

    There’s probably a trade down the road. Lots of LB’s in the draft and some veterans will be expendable. Same at corner. This roster is a work in process. It will be interesting to see if one of the new safeties can play nickle back. Harris will be very limited in Sept if he can play at all.

  • Packer’s Advocate

    I hope they see more in Brad Jones than I saw. Then again, I haven’t seen enough of him yet really to even know what I saw. And I can’t say whether any of the top OLB’s TT had to choose from graded out even close to CM3……. but some pass rush from the spot opposite CM3 was the #1 thing that I think we need this year for the Pack to make the next big push. To be fair, I have read some interesting things also, about some of the failures of the DL last year, too. Still think TT should have gotten the pass rush OLB if one of them graded high enough and left the LT to work itself out and it would have. There ended up being some LT’s available later that would have been perfect to sit on the bench this year and learn from Clifton. I’m curious as hell to see how the LT vs. OLB choice plays out this year.
    Is that right….. Peter King picking the Pack #1 this year???

  • iccyfan

    “I’m curious as hell to see how the LT vs. OLB choice plays out this year.”

    You can’t look at it like that; TT doesn’t draft for short-term need over long-term impact. It’s likely that Jerry Hughes would have had more short-term impact in Fall, 2010, but what happens at LT when Clifton retires after this season or next. You can have faith that it’ll “work itself out”, but it’s a critical position and a highly ranked prospect fell into our laps. Aaron Rodgers certainly wasn’t a need pick in 2005, but I don’t know anybody who’s unhappy Ted did it now. Ted didn’t have the advantage of foresight to see the fall of a LT like Charles Brown into the late second round, but it might be that Ted never liked him anyway. Econ 201 – Opportunity Cost…

    Lastly, I’ll bet it’s much easier to find an undrafted free agent pass rusher (see James Harrision) than it is a starting left tackle. There might be one in the NFL, but I don’t know who it is…

  • Rick

    I am considering the comparison of Bulaga vs. Kindle. In 5 years it will be neat to see how they both turn out.

  • First, iccy’s right, we’re really lucky to get Bulaga where we drafted. Either Cliffy or Taucher will have a hard time staying on the field, maybe both. Second, I hate when we’re overrated by the national media. We know how average our specials and pass defense have been. I’m hoping for improvement but it’s the same personnel. The media is great at touting teams that never win like the Cowboys and Chargers. The last team that lived up to the hype was the Pats before the NFL stopped them cheating.

  • TT (with advice from MM) did make a choice. Jones and Bulaga!

  • Rocky70

    ” There ended up being some LT’s available later that would have been perfect to sit on the bench this year and learn from Clifton. ”

    Cliffy is old, banged up, cut up & your typical war-horse at LT ……… The odds of him starting & playing 16 games are slim …….. Bulaga has already been inserted as his back-up at LT because Bulaga may actually see more time on the field than Cliffy.

    Even though no one knows at this point if Bulaga is ready to play LT ………… A later round LT definitely would not be ready ………… Bulaga was drafted to protect GB’s best player ………. OLBs are a dime a dozen.

  • Rick

    I would not say 3-4 OLBs are a dime a dozen Rocky. They are easier to find the starter caliber LTackles.
    The Packers need a few more bullts for the gun this year. With a lockout coming we need this to be the year.
    Upgrade RB strength.
    Packers need to offer a 3rd rounder and Colledge for Marshawn Lynch of the Bills.
    The Bills needs more picks a quality on the line we need a better back. We have a down hill runner in Grant but we need a better lateral threat.

    Chargers offer 2nd rounder and Poppinga for Merriman. His drug issues make him a periah in Cali. He needs the Wisconsin retreat like Woodson did. We gain a great OLB to team up with CM III. The Chargers gain a coverage back up and special teamer and a 2nd round pick.

  • Rick, I agree it’s worth going after Lynch also Parrish who’s a capable returner. Merriman is having a hard time without the PED’s but has some talent and is young enough to get back to form. We’re going to have linemen as well as LB’s available to trade so I hope every trade possibility is getting a look.

  • Packer’s Advocate

    I certainly don’t remember Clifton being as injury prone as some of you think he is. That said, I believe he’ll still be out there playing come game 16. Also would say that he and some of the older guys should not be allowed in TC. They’ve played long enough that they know how to play and could use the rest. We’ll see what we wished we had (OLB or LT) at the end of the year. Time will tell. But yeah, we need a couple bullets yet. Trades would be good. They’ll be better just w/having a year of that defense under their belts but as I think TT got the best players available, I don’t see them as what we needed. If you remember, that defense recovered last year when Kampy went to DE on passing downs and held their own the rest of the way even w/o Kampy. Then again we saw what happened in the playoffs w/o Kampy. It showed how important that pass rush from both sides is……….

  • Rocky70

    Trades in the NFL are difficult to pull off ………. If the trading team is content to ‘not trade’ the player, then usually their asking price is too high …………. I’m not sure either SD or Buffalo feel absolutely compelled to dump either Merriman or Lynch in 2010 ………..

    How smart is it to trade your OL & LB depth plus high draft picks (2nd & 3rd) for two players who have worn out their welcome elsewhere & are obvious question marks ……….. No one is lining up to obtain either Merriman or Lynch ………. This should tell you that the reward/risk is high.

    Ahhhh ……… the influence of ‘fantasy football’ strikes again.

  • Rick

    Rocky – Merriman was 2nd rnd offer during the draft. We passed. I would have too, this years draft was to deep not to. But now we see the the team we have and that Merriman is wearing out his welcome in SoCal. But if we have to sweeten the pot because we are suppossed to be good so our second round pick will be hopefully the 32nd.

    Marshawn Lynch now has CJ Spiller to push him. Something tells me that Lynch is not working out. With his signing bonus already paid the remainder of his salary is a steal compared to Grant’s. The Bill’s new coach wants his people. A draft pick gained that removes an issue guy in Lynch and they can add a LG/LT that has playing experience makes sense.

    We get a beast with better lateral cut and we can double up with the two smash down hill runners come winter and wear down Defenses.

    I feel safe that most of us won’t cry over Colledge and Poppinga going anywhere and the loss of the 2nd and 3rd picks for a starter 3-4 OLB and RB that are in their prime is not bad for us to load up for a Super Bowl run. This is our year. After the Cardinals game and with economic changes and a lock out pretty much assured We need to go for it now as smart as we can.

    Rocky is correct. Will the Bills and the Chargers trade? I believe that if MM wants this and TT makes the calls these are realistic trades for both sides.

  • Rocky70

    This was the news on Cliffy prior to season 2009 …………..

    ” The 33-year-old Clifton had scopes on both knees Jan. 12 and scopes on both shoulders in February. Team physician Patrick McKenzie performed the operations, described by Clifton as “just cleanouts.”

    Clifton has had three scopes on his left knee (2005, ’06, ’09) and three on his right knee (2003, ’06, ’09).

    He also sprained the medial collateral ligament in his right knee in 2000 and ’02, suffered severe pelvic damage in ’02 that threatened his career and underwent elbow surgery in ’03. ”

    Season 2009 saw Clifton able to start 12 of 16 games ………. He was unable to finish four of those starts due to lingering injury issues ……….. It would be great if Clifton could start & play 16 games in 2010 but an injury-free season for a 34 year old is unlikely ………… Enter Bulaga.

  • Rocky70


    You’re still relying on ‘pre-draft’ analysis of players ……. If a team is going to trade away high drafts picks & depth then the player traded for has to be an upgrade …….

    Lynch has a career 4.0 ypc in 3 years in the NFL with a paltry 3.8 ypc in 2009 ……….. R. Grant has a career 4.4 with a 4.4 ypc in 2009 ………. I don’t see the obvious upgrade ……….

    Merriman managed 4 sacks in 2009 in 14 games ………. Even B. Jones managed 4 sacks in only 7 games …………. Merriman is also an injury & ped risk whose prime was obviously a few years back ……….. Again, the “obvious upgrade” eludes me …………

    I completely disagree that 2010 is for all the marbles & we need to go for it now ………… They’ll be NFL football far beyond 2010 ………. Too much money to be lost by all involved.

  • Packer_Bob


    I’m not completely disagreeing with you, especially with the “obvious upgrade eludes me” comment. These may not be the players to make a move for, and I’m not even going to pretend that I have enough info about either to evaluate the particular players mentioned here.

    But do you ever feel it’s time to make some moves? What if NO hadn’t brought in Brees, or even Sharper last year. If the Packers had gotten him last year, I think you’d be saying much the same thing about his prime being a few years back. Seemed to work out for the Saints.

    I understand, btw, that they didn’t have to part with valuable picks, and in fact ending up getting excellent value for Sharper as (I don’t believe) they even had to pay any big bucks to get him. It just seems like you and others on this board are always the stand pat brigade while others see the potential in this team to go all the way and are willing to take a few calculated risks.

    So I’m just wondering, do you feel we have some needs yet and what would you do to go about filling them, if anything? It would seem to me that teams find valuable contributions all the time in FA, (and I’m not talking about the break the bank moves) while we always seem to be lacking in that department. The old cliche is if you’re not getting better, you’re getting worse, and we constantly underachieve in one half of how you improve your team, FA.

  • Rick

    Rocky- Don’t use the Bills anemic line and the stats Lynch had. Grant had a much more prolific line to run behind and the very real threat of a passing attack and they had similar stats.

    Packer Bob and Rocky
    We need more beef and strong legs. Jackson has not shown it, the new rookie is nice but not going to get that done. I want a soft hands already of an already NFL tested and coached RB the can catch screens, one cut and run when we ZBS, and makes men have to tackle him going through the hole. Grant does not escape first contact well. He slams into them and stops. I want a double sledgehammer that keeps bashin away. Grant and Lynch are more of a threat. You saw that even old Ahman gave a little extra to the offense late in the season.

    I want to get him as cheap as possible but to swap picks or perhaps some of the lineman that we find expendable to get him is a real thought. The Bills are not one or two pieces away. They need solid depth so they can improve their team. We already have been raided for our practice squad by the bills so lets work something out. Same goes for the Chargers, Raiders or Browns if there is quality we can get cheap, now is the time during OTAs not camp.

  • Rick

    Once camp comes we are locked up. No trades happen.

  • Rick

    Duke Preston- C had his RFA offer rescinded by Dallas. I wonder if we will sniff at him again. I actually heard he was a descent backup but we had Wells and Spitz

  • iccyfan

    I doubt it Rick. I was reading fan comments on another Packer site that lead me to believe the coaching staff really likes Evan Dietrich-Smith as the starting Center in waiting…

    I don’t pretend to know diddly, but the prospect of Shawn Merriman as a Packer doesn’t intrigue me. I think the guy is caught up in his own celebrity and his football is suffering for it. Andre Rison had “Left Eye Lopez” and Merriman has Tia Tequila – that act won’t play in Green Bay! 😉

    I’m pulling for Tim Knicky – one fan called him a Bryce Paup clone – sounds good to me!

  • I hardly think building thru the draft is standing pat. Other than Cliffy and Tausch this is a completely different team than 5years ago, and a hell of a lot better.
    Every player on our team probably has a better player than them somewhere in the league, but the idea is to build a team and not gather super stars here and there.
    But then, I like the way TT has done it, kept the bottom line in check, improved, and we still have our picks for the future. We have not had a BAD draft since ’07.

  • iccyfan

    “Bush worked with the starting defense as the left cornerback.”

    Nooooooooooooooo! Not even in OTA’s with the top three CB’s sitting out do I want to see this. And moving Blackmon to safety….

    The sky is falling, the sky is falling…

  • Rick

    LarryTex- How true. We have a miss on Harrell so far and we reached on AJ but we have improved the over all quality of the team. I do admire how quickly we stepped back from the brink of dispare on our cap when TT took over. We were in a bad way as a franchise 5 years ago.

    Brohm did not work for us but that failure might be the impetus for him to really focus on doing what it takes to be great with Bills. I hope he succeeds for them. I really liked him at Louisville and really wanted him to be the heir to the Farve legacy before we drafted AR.

    I know Merriman is a risk but he has an upside push for a superbowl run, like Rison.

    Iccy- I will pull for Knicky too.

  • Rocky70

    Rick ………. An RB underperforms & it’s on the OL ……………. An RB does well & it’s mostly him …………. That’s an old argument that still doesn’t wash.

    I’d welcome both Lynch & Merriman to GB for say, a 4th for Merriman & a 5th for Lynch ………. Nothing more ……….. Regardless, neither will ever be wearing G&G.

    PB ………. Free Agency has provided some depth for some teams over the last few years …….. Youth, speed, strength & desire comes from the draft, not from oft-injured, washed up & over-paid free agents.

    Packers on the cusp of greatness ?????????


  • TT got lucky again. Graham Harrell is one of those surprises (my forecast) that I’ve been predicting this year. Totally ignored in the draft last year because Crabtree was the man up there. (Texas Tech) He is also bigger than 6-2 and has Favre/Rogers big hands. We know him well, here in Aggieland.

  • Rick

    Rocky – I did not say that. There is no old argument to wash and make new.

    I did say that Lynch HAD to break through arm tackles to get the yards he got behind a very poor O line and no real pass attack.

    Expanding on what I did say on Grant is that Grant has a multi year history of getting arm tackled running through the hole. He is not laterally quick and when committed to a hole or spot on the field he is not able to change direction well. Doing so behind behind a line the improved throughout the year and the very real threat of a passing attack so the opponent could not load up the box, gained Grant about a 1/2 yard more than Lynch.

    They are both downhill runners. Lynch allows for a second battering ram and fresh legs to keep both men fresher and healthier. I do not see that we need a scatback for a change up as much since we use a mobile TE ( and now perhaps two mobile TEs) to stretch seems on passing routes.

    With the quality players we seem to have, if the Packers stay healthy we have a great shot at a NFC conference crown and a shot at the Super Bowl. I would say cusp but we will have to see come Super Bowl Sunday. At least we will not lose on a last second Brett Favre INT 🙂

  • As an after thought, the only real knock on him was pocket mobility. Another knock was that Tech is a pass-crazy school so any QB would have good #s. Well, we’ll see, with some MM schooling I would look for him to pass Flynn.

  • Rick

    Rocky- I do agree with overpaid FAs. We do not need them. I doubt a 4th or 5th is reasonable for market conditions for Lynch and Merriman but you must admit the idea of a now healthy and out of legal trouble Merriman to challenge Jones and Poppinga for the OLB sounds good. Also a similiar hard charging RB so we do not have to switch tempos when shifting RB does not sound bad either.

    This is the time of year GB gave up a 6th for Grant when he was buried on the Giants depth chart. He was going to get cut but then we would have not enough time to get him into our offensive system. We gave up a late round pick and have a starter.

    This is the time and the right year to go after some experienced but young depth and maybe gain a starter.

    It is something I hope that TT and MM look at strongly.

  • Packer’s Advocate

    I thought Green looked good last year. In spot duty, the situation was ideal for him at this point of his career. He ran through tackles Grant can’t/couldn’t and in a 3rd and 1 situations, with him I felt we’d get it. He still runs low and fast (well, fast enough anyway). But having him is hanging onto the past and is not developing a future RB. Still thought he was what the locker room needed last year, at the right time!!!

  • Rocky70


    ” I doubt a 4th or 5th is reasonable for market conditions for Lynch and Merriman but you must admit the idea of a now healthy and out of legal trouble Merriman to challenge Jones and Poppinga for the OLB sounds good. ”

    Can’t argue with your logic but it’s still high-risk especially if GB would have to cough-up a 2nd round pick to obtain Merriman …………. Lost in this discussion is the fact that SD doesn’t seem to want Merriman around anymore ……… Teams don’t dump their top players unless there’s a reason ……….. Consider this ……… Merriman played in 14 games in 2009 ………. He had 2 sacks in two different games to equal his output of 4 for the season …….. This means he played 12 games with zero sacks ………. He had zero FF & zero INTs for the entire season 2009 ………. Is his stat-line for 2009 because of his lingering injury from 2008 or was it because his urine sample is finally clean (off the PEDs) ? ……….. I’m afraid fans aren’t in the loop with issues like this but I have a feeling GMs have ample info to decide thumbs up or down.

  • Larry

    I’d much rather see a trade than a FA pick-up. You’ve seen the player AND know the contract and circumstances of the trade (young guy in the wings) . Frankly, we seem to do OK with trades…Grant, Harris, Green to name a few grade A’s.

    Also, some of the cuts this year COULD be a fullback, Harrell or Jolly, Lee or Havner, Colledge or Spitz or D-S and at least 1 safety. We’re soooo close..why not package a draft pick and a name or 2 to get an established OLB or corner.

    Tha last malcontent that was signed by the Packers was Charles Woodson…’nuff said!

  • iccyfan

    LarryTex Says: “Another knock was that Tech is a pass-crazy school so any QB would have good #s.”

    I was surprised when the Packers signed Graham Harrell as I fully subscribe to the “system QB” theory when it comes to Texas Tech passers. It didn’t ever seem to matter who Mike Leach put behind center; they put up crazy pinball numbers. I thought Harrell would thrive in Canada’s wide open version but he didn’t seem to get a chance, which is concerning. I’m predicting he’s just a camp arm…

  • Rick

    Iccy – True,Graham Harrell does not have a cannon but he has great accuracy on medium and short routes. He had a rough year having to learn to come out from center in Canada. My only hates on the young man is he is a spread offense guy so he is used to shotgun snaps and quick 1 or 2 reads and he has small hands. He has some of the smallest hands in the draft for a QB 2 years ago. He also had Crabtree receiving which helps make him even better at Texas Tech. However other than hand size this was the exact knock on Flynn and why he was drafted in the 7th round. Flynn has been a solid backup and beat out Brohm.
    We had Graham in camp last year so I say we have camp arm that we are working out and know that we could pick him up during the year if we needed to.

  • Rick, curious where your “small hands” comment comes from since I get the opposite here, hence the comparison to Favre/Rodgers.

  • Sammy

    Oh shit, looks like Favre is coming back for another year. I just wish he would retire so we can love him again….and the Vikings will be good again this year. Shit!

  • If the Williams’ play! If they dont he doesn’t.

  • Rocky70

    Per the infamous Sammy ………..

    ” I just wish he would retire so we can love him again…. ”

    Love ????

    Hate to destroy your personal illusion but most PackFans I know including myself only had an ‘appreciation’ for BF ……….. Over the past three years that ‘mild appreciation’ has since turned to ‘mild disgust’ ……….. His legacy as a Packer will never be what it could have been ………. Best part of BF’s departure from GB is that now we have a QB who can & will finish the job …………. Maybe a few years down the road BF could be an ‘honorary captain’ at another SB appearance by the Pack ………. It’s the only way BF will ever attend another SB.

  • Rick

    Only average size for the position, although he did seem to see the field well behind a NFL-sized offensive line. Worked primarily out of the shotgun, although he went under center occasionally in 2008. Tech’s wide offensive line splits give him a larger pocket and bigger passing lanes than he’ll see in the NFL. Will struggle with accuracy when pressured. Does not have a cannon arm for the vertical game, lacks accuracy on touch throws deep down the sideline. Passing yardage statistics padded by long runs after the catch in the spread offense.

    Here is how Harrell stacks up against the SANCHIZE which is about the same build height and weight.
    Name College Height Weight Arm Length Hand Size 40yrd
    Graham Harrell Texas Tech 6-2 223 31 1/2 9 1/2 5.07

    Mark Sanchez USC 6-2 227 33 1/2 10 1/2 4.88

  • Rick

    That means a TWO (2) in ch shorter arm and a full ONE (1) inch smaller hand. Rodgers hand size is just under 10 but he has a longer arm and a higher release then both gentleman

  • Rick, how does JaMarcus Russell compare, does he have talent. And, please everyone, getting made the starter/savior on a bad team is a bad way to start a career(Plunkett case in point). I think MM can turn him around.

  • jonnyfootballhero

    I just don’t think Russell has the work ethic to make it as an NFL QB. However, Vince Young seems to have turned his NFL career around, so who knows, maybe he can make something of himself in the NFL on the right team. But, do the Packers really need him?

  • iccyfan

    We already tried and failed to jump-start the career of a failed #1 overall draft pick, though that QB had more success with the team who drafted him than Jamarcus Russell! Whatever became of Tim Couch?

  • Sammy


    If you live that long, you will be watching him enter the HOF as a Packer with pride and joy. If not, you are the troll I suspect…..or deceased…

    PS. He doesn’t need to win another SB. He’s been in two, three time MVP, several Championship games…..enough ball washing for me today. I just wish he would retire.

  • Packer_Bob

    “I just wish he would retire”

    Me as well. If for no other reason than I don’t want see him vivisect our secondary yet again.

    But it ain’t happening. After that ass whipping the Saints put on him, if he had ankle surgery, he’s coming back.

    So Rocky can keep talking shit about one of the best QB’s that ever played. Although he would talk shit about the cricket across the street that bothers him at 4 AM, so I guess we’re stuck with that regardless.

  • Steve Cheez

    Colledge is a whiner.

  • jonnyfootballhero

    “Colledge is a whiner.”

    and not a very good left guard either.

  • Whiner hell, you guys. Read the whole article, and his comments fully. Who can blame anyone for wanting to settle in on one position. Look at the rep counts – LG is his best position and his stats are not as bad as you guys are letting on. He WAS a part of a record setting scoring offense. Dam, there I go again, supporting the team, and every member of it!

  • jonnyfootballhero

    Damn, there I go again pointing out a deficiency where I see one.

  • Rocky70

    Per PB

    ” So Rocky can keep talking shit about one of the best QB’s that ever played. ”

    BF’s legacy includes being one of the biggest ‘chokers’ in NFL history …….. I may be talking ‘shit’ but this ‘shit’ is as true as the sky is blue ………. Don’t blame me, blame the player called BF.

  • Steve Cheez

    LarryTex, consider me appropriately castigated.

  • Steve Cheez

    Of course, now my worry is MM’s and Philbin’s comments, it sounds like they are already making excuses for Bulaga. Sure hope LarryTex corrects me again.

  • iccyfan

    LarryTex Says: “LG is his best position and his stats are not as bad as you guys are letting on.”

    Two thoughts:

    1) He wasn’t drafted in the second round to be a GUARD; he was drafted to play TACKLE and hasn’t made the grade. The team has given him multiple opportunities to fulfill the destiny they envisioned for him. He should see his reps at tackle as an opportunity, not a burden…

    2) Stats don’t tell the entire story; Colledge incurs his penalties at the most inopportune times, as in game-changers! I can’t think of a single Mark Tauscher holding penalty over ten years that “changed the complexion of a game”. I can think of two for Daryn Colledge without even trying. Titans game – negates first down and moves us back to point where Crosby misses game-winning FG (lose in OT); Cardinals playoff game – negates first down & puts us in hole where Rodgers gets sacked.

    I’m not calling for his head or hoping he gets cut in TC, but he does need to shut up and focus on doing his job better than he has in the immediate past…

  • Pierre

    During the past three NFL seasons one QB has ended the playoff aspirations and hopes of three different teams directly related to his decisions and performance during critical game situations. Even with all his vast experience he continues to make “rookie” mistakes that leave a legacy of far more incompetence when things are on the line in important games, than of success. Perhaps this all stems from the “me first” before the team attitude he has continues to display as an individual. (Playing the last five games injured, to uphold your longevity streak, while the Jet’s playoff hopes are ended, is prime example of putting self above team.)

  • OK, now I’m the one who is castigated (perhaps, rightfully so). However, being drafted to play tackle (?) and starting at guard doesn’t bother me since we would now have Cliffy and Cooly playing OLT and no Buluga. Funny how things work out sometimes. Seems to me the running scheme has changed along the way too. No matter, I’m not wedded to anyone on the O ’cause they don’t need it; yet can still improve, of course. In any case the D is the one being tweeked.
    Blackmon at safety makes sense to me, we’ll see if it sticks.

  • Pierre, this is kind of fun. If #4 was the only guy screwing up you’d be right. It’s Mangini’s job to yank #4, if he knew he was hurt and didn’t yank him he deserved to be fired. It all worked out great for the Jets who now have a future. If AP doesn’t fumble vs the Bears the Vikes have home field and before the half vs NO, win the championship. If we ran the ball more than 28 yds vs the Giants were in the SB. All depends how you look at it. I was impressed that #4 finally beat the Cowboys in a playoff game and that he was able to last through a brutal season. I don’t expect much more from him but he did a lot better than I expected.

  • Rick

    Mark- Earlier you asked about JaMarcus. I had him originally graded the year before the draft as a 3rd rounder. I still say that he is a third round QB that needs a couple of years like Aaron did in a consistant off season QB camp and stepping up to how much prep work it takes to be successful. IF and that is a big IF JaMarcus wanted to bust his hump and be humble in front of everyone and work his @$$ off; then he would have had a phone call to come to the OTAs and lets let him start digging that ditch.


    I think he is to weak mentally to want to step up and try to have a career in the NFL.

    I hope I am wrong and he starts the journey to get his career going.

  • Rick

    Iccy – You are correct we drafted a Boise State LT that looked good against everyone including Oklahoma with the thought that at worst he would be a LG and at best we had the future LT behind Clifton.