Packers-Lions Game Blog

12:08 PM:  Late start today – but my prediction was 35-10 Packers in honor of last night’s HBO special on Lombardi.

12:09 PM:  Should have stayed away – Quarless with a long catch and fumble! Come on man! They can’t stop us I don’t think so I’m not worried yet.

12:13 PM:  Apparently we can’t stop them either. Running it down the Packers throat right now. Come on defense. We haven’t even come close to even stopping them for no gain.

12:16 PM:  Sweet! Defense makes a play and the Lions come up empty. Hopefully that is our spark.

12:19 PM:  Usual slow starting offense. This is getting sick.

12:28 PM:  Packers’ offense must have thought it was going to be a cakewalk. Three and out again. Great field position for the Lions. Packers are going to blow their season in Detroit?

12:37 PM:  Jennings quit on the play, that is the tone of the game today. McCarthy should be made at his team and not the officials – because his team did not come to play today.

12:40 PM:  Jennings is the new Albert Haynesworth. Just quit on the field. Defense got a three-and-out, offense better make up for it right now. Packers right now are playing down to the Lions level.

12:46 PM:  I’m stunned. Hope we get to halftime even up.

12:54 PM:  Can’t even complete a 1-yard pass.

12:58 PM:  I feel like I’m watching the Bears or something. This is getting uglier by the minute. McCarthy is about ready to literally explode on the sideline. Glad I’m not going into that locker room at halftime, but I would like to hear it.

1:01 PM:  The Packers have one first down in 24 minutes of play. Absolutely pathetic. Looks like McCarthy’s first loss to the Lions and severe blow to the Packers’ playoff hopes.

1:13 PM:  Rodgers’ injury must be the reason for those two play calls. Throw two yards on 3rd and 17? Defense better hold them so we can run out the clock.

1:18 PM:  Game over. Rodgers is out. That’s what you get when you don’t slide. Flynn sacked. Division game and the Lions came to play. I tip my hat to them. They got the job done.

1:41 PM:  Nice first play by Flynn and now the guy that hurt Rodgers is out cold. Poetic justice? That’s what you get for leading with your head.

1:53 PM:  Should have challenged at touchdown pass to Jennings that was clearly a catch. McCarthy still hasn’t figured out that process. 3-0. Lions get long kickoff return and are on the move again on the ground. What happened to our run defense? Going against a third-string quarterback you should be shutting down the run and daring the QB to beat you.

2:11 PM:  I got nothing.

Share on FacebookTweet about this on TwitterShare on Google+Pin on PinterestShare on RedditDigg thisShare on StumbleUponEmail this to someone
This entry was posted in Al Davis. Bookmark the permalink.
  • Pete H

    Flynn flat out sucked….made one worthwhile pass…hardly worth him being their only backup

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Look at the stats, he outplayed Stanton and did what he was told to do…..! Blame MM if you want for being out coached, but not Flynn.

      • Pete H

        he outplayed Stanton??? so the F what!! Who the hell is Drew Stanton??? He missed WIDE open WRs all day and held on to the ball too long. Yes I blame the coaching as well. Inexcusable game plan….inexcusable, but Flynn blew ass

  • Cody

    rodgers goes out, then we abandoned the run game… what the fucking hell? I mean seriously why the hell not let our guys run the ball instead of forcing flyn to pass it? I REALLY DONT UNDERSTAND!!!
    and i dont care what anybody says, if jennings would have held onto the fucking ball he would have scored, and the refs fucked up by “disregarding the illegal contact penalty”. I dont care what people say, THAT ONE PLAY CHANGED THE ENTIRE GAME. I am right on this one, if you think otherwise then you are wrong.

    • CheesyD

      Abandon the running game? What running game? They had no running game. The OL was god awful.

      • Cody

        no, they had 15 rush attempts and averaged 3.3 y/c. thats not good, but when you have a backup qb in the game AND YOU HAVE THE LEAD, you keep running the ball.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Like I said #1 pick is OL or LB.

  • Monty

    yup that was basically our play off game….and why come on Packer Nation tell me why we have lost five games this year by 4 points or less…..BECAUSE WE CANT RUN THE BALL!!!!

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Starks 8 yds on 6 carries? Couldn’t see it, but is the OL that bad?

      • CheesyD

        It was today. Just horrid. Mix in incredibly stupid play calling by McCarthy and a QB who can’t throw and you get a 7-3 loss to a horrid team which ends your season.

  • Monty

    cant blame the defense for those losses…they are number one in the NFL in giving up points….this isnt 2008 and Bob Sanders defense….the D has played tough all year even with all the injuries…oh yeah where’s Marshall Lynch when you need a running game..no..this points right back at Ted and his “draft and develop”…well thats what we did today develop cuz we didnt have any veteran running backs. And we cant blame it on losing Grant cuz we all knew our RBs sucked behind him….yeah it would be nice to have Grant, but that’s the job of the GM make sure you have the best players possible……Yeah Im shocked and pissed just like the rest of you but it does not surprise me, you cant fling the ball 50 times a game for 16 games and expect to win. Bears win the division cuz they can run the fricken ball and this was an INDOOR game!!

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Put it back on the field Monty, TT was neither running it or blocking for it. The D did their job.

    • Monty

      yeah but he picks who runs and blocks Larry. Its his job to put the best players out there period. Yes the D did their job. Im all with draft and develop, but if you have crappy drafts like 2007 well you can only develop a lousy player so far….we all know jackson should not even be on the field when they run the ball. Thompson had a chance to replace Grant, he chose not to and today we suffered for it. Same thing goes for a backup QB, I like Flynn but when you have players like Favre and Rodgers you get too comfortable thinking they will never get hurt. We should have had a veteran backup QB…but Thompson for whatever reason didnt want one. Its Ted’s team, he drafted them he built it the blame for our loses point to him and the coach….COME ON 2 and 13 in games decided by 4 points or less and you have the number one defense in points allowed…..who’s fault is it??

    • http://Rome Mark

      LT, if you hire bad carpenters because they are cheap or too young and your house collapses do you blame them or yourself?

  • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

    We can’t run the ball with Flynn at QB. Come on. Detroit dared Flynn to beat them with the pass. They won. Flynn is average, like most back-up quarterbacks. That’s not saying he won’t grow into something great, but he should be a third string at best right now. Rodgers may not be back for New England. I don’t think we can win a wild card now. It’s division or nothing. The Bears would have to literally lose all their remaining games for Green Bay to make it.

    • http://Rome Mark

      A below average passer. He needs a good running game to win.

      • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

        Which we don’t have.

  • Monty

    larry is it really the OL player or the coach….you do know our OL coach played on the GB Oline that holds the record for sacks in a season? Didnt know if people knew that or not. Thats like hiring the captain of the Titanic to teach you how to sail…..I thought our guys this year were pretty good better than in the past. We gotta get a horse or horses to run the ball and if MM is the coach next year he has to get out of that AL Davis passing game….West Coast my a$$ its fling fling fling lets see if we can throw it deep all the time instead of timing short game I saw growing up with Joe Montana and Bill Walsh. Those teams had running games with Roger Craig and the like….if MM had his way he would never run the ball.

  • Dan

    As bad as things look, this was lost because of turnovers.

    Quarless fumbles at the Detroit 35. That’s inside FG range with momentum.
    Flynn throws a pick in the endzone. Chip shot FG.
    Last drive was within FG range.

    Give Crosby a chance at three FGs and the Packers win this game.

    • Pete H

      dont forget Rodgers pick..that was a td

    • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

      This loss can be diced about a dozen different ways. Take your pick. All in all, Green Bay was not prepared to play today, and in their hearts did not take the Lions seriously enough, no matter what they said for the press. So do you blame McCarthy for not getting players ready enough? I think so. I also think that non-challenge on the touchdown once again may have cost us. Oh well. It’s over now. We can only look forward and pray we get some help. I’m not holding my breath, though.

    • http://Rome Mark

      Don’t forget Rodgers risking the season by not sliding.

    • Rick

      Ding ding ding, Give Dan the prize. He is right. GB had more turnovers and we lost the game.

      The missed challenge of Jennings catch frustrated me, and a couple of other calls during the game.

      BUT ON 4TH AND FRICKIN 1, WITH 30 SECONDS LEFT AND TWO TIMEOUTS 30YDS FROM THE ENDZONE YOU CALLED AN POST ROUTE TO TRY FOR THE TD!!!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME!!!

      I nearly kicked both dogs and the cat on that one. You can not tell me that was your top play for 4th and 1. We did not even play action to help the WR get seperation.

      AND MR COMMISH AND HEAD OFFICIALS WHY WHEN THE DEFENDER IS DRAPPED ON THE WR IS A FOUL NOT CALLED???!!! I HAD TP SUFFER THROUGH PASS INT CALLS ALL LAST YEAR AND NOW YOU DON’T CALL THEM ANY MORE!!!

      I hope upon hope that the Patriots HURT the BEARS. I mean HURT like break the goofy @ss Cutler in two and twist Forte into a pretzel.

      I can not believe I will have to root for the dang Vikings. We need them to beat the Giants for GB to stay in the race. And no Rodgers for NE next week will be brutal.

  • roadking

    we sucked, we can blame the rodgers injury all we want, they were starting their third string quartback, they still found a way to score a tochdown when needed,
    face it we are a one dimensional team that is going to sruggle when we cant pass.
    terrible game plan

  • CheesyD

    I’ve always been a McCarthy supporter, but I think I’ve seen enough. After all this time, he still has no concept as when to challenge or not to challenge. It has cost this team time and time again. And his play calling is mind boggling. I can’t figure it out. The Lions didn’t have that problem.

    If this team finishes 8-8, which is a very real possibility, then McCarthy must go.

  • jimmyus333333

    Dom can only do so much to cover for TT/MM.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    This was very typical of GB 70s and 80s football. Most frustrating thing to me is the lack of fire shown.
    In 50 yrs of following this team there have only been 3 coaches who brought it to the field. Those were Vince, of course, Gregg who never had the talent(here), and Holmgren.
    While I put most of this on MM, it pains me to cite the GMs of the sucessful 3. Vince/Vince, Gregg/Brown, and Holmgren/Wolf. Maybe TT needs a little fire in the belly as well; but I think he has brought in enough talent to make this work.

    • Pete H

      I love what TT has done. I used to hate him, but how can you complain with what he has produced. This team is incredibly competitive, despite a rash of injuries, and an incompetent coach

      • CheesyD

        Agreed.

      • mick

        What has he done? He’s barely over .500 and 0-1 in the playoffs. Ray Rhodes got canned for that kind of performance after one season. Why does Thompson get such a long honeymoon? Because he’s white?

        • CheesyD

          Was Rhodes a GM? Nope.

          • mick

            Nope, but he was black, so he got canned, as he would have if he were the GM.

      • Dan

        Agree that TT’s personnel moves have been far better than I expected.

        However, he also hired MM. I think MM is great at developing QBs, but I have some reservations about his game plans on offense. There are times where I think he gets it, then there are times where he forgets what a west coast offense is.
        IMHO, MM’s best head coaching decision was bringing in Capers and letting Capers hire the defensive staff.

        If any team comes calling for Capers, I hope TT decides to give Capers the head coaching job. One of the best defenses in the NFL, despite revolving doors due to injuries.

      • jimmyus333333

        Problem is TT is average. He gets some right, he gets some wrong.

  • roy jamison

    We lost one we shoulda won, now we gotta win one everyone thinks we’ll lose…and they are beating the pants off the Bears today.

    • Pete H

      yep…it aint gonna be easy

    • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

      That will be our only way to get back on track. But seriously, the Pat are playing lights out. If Rodgers isn’t back, it will be hard to turn on the TV.

  • Reggie Barker

    The lions have a fantastic front four on defense, but I don’t know why the Pack didn’t go with a game plan like they had for Minnesota or Dallas. I know you can’t win ‘em all, and the team does have an incredible amount of starters missing. Which gives credit to good talent evaluation. What I don’t understand is this. Quarless was down. The defender comes flying in when the whistles have blown and hit’s Quarless right in the head. He was defenseless, down, the whistles had already blown. The second defender came in leading with his helmet, and clearly could have avoided the collision but chose not to.So the result of the play was an interception? Rodgers was already touched down and the whistles were being blown when the defender dropped his shoulder and put his shoulder into Rodgers head. Those are the shots that are supposed to be penalized. Jennings made a t.d. catch, at first I thought he hadn’t but after looking at it up close it was a catch. That changes everything. The referee’s are making horrible calls this year. They are changing games in ways that are deciding how the season will pan out. Football is going to be the new All Star Wrestling if the league doesn’t do something soon.

  • Monty

    I forgot that detroit was playing their 3rd stringer….that just makes it worse….i do agree five years of McCarthy and we are no closer to the NFC championship, cant blame Favre for that its been three years of Rodgers. It still goes back to not building the team they said (Thompson and MM) they were gonna build, a Packer team. If we played in a dome like the Vikings and Lions, yeah go pass happy, but we dont and as Larry pointed out the two coaches who were successful ran the ball as much as they passed it, well Lombardi even more. If we dont make it to the playoff tournament, Thompson had to really evaluate if he has the right coach….again not to say I told you so, but his first interview has won a super bowl, but then he wasnt a Thompson yes man (Sean Payton). He was interviewed by Thompson and has a ring. Fat Mike…well Im out of words yeah I hear the applause lol…

    • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

      McCarthy isn’t consistent enough to be the right coach. There is no way we should’ve lost yesterday’s game. Not if we had a decent game plan. I’m not impressed with Philbin either. I think we need to keep the entire defensive coaching staff intact and do away with the rest of the coaches. We now need to bring in a better offensive minded coach. Anybody have any suggestions? Is there someone we can raid from the Patriots?

  • Three Lakes Terry

    What is it going to take to get rid of McCarthy? As said before we are now 5 years into his bumbling. Please, when is it going to end?

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    I don’t think you can tell if a guy can motivate during an interview. Lets face it MM is a QB coach who can teach, but is that, one dimentional. This game was Tampa last year all over again. We were a shoo in for the playoffs, but beat ourselves, and its because we were out coached, not because of a lack of talent, injuries or not. Did anybody see anything different today, anything? Or just the same thing that every other coach in the NFL can see on tape.

    I say maybe, this team may well have cost the third coach this year, his job.

    • Skyler

      The fact is MM did get us to the playoffs twice in his time hear. Plus this is Green Bay, not Dallas or Washington. If the Packers were sub 500 it may happen. But not even 8-8 this year will he be asked to leave. Lets hope they hire a true offensive coordinator next year. Someone like a Capers in talent. MM has no business calling plays.

      • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

        Can we also get rid of Slocum and Campen while we’re at it?

      • Dan

        Sherman made the playoffs 4 out of 6 years, had one losing season.

        If MM doesn’t get the Packers to the playoffs this year, he’ll have a wonderful 40% record despite one of the best defenses in the NFL, one of the best QBs in the NFL, one of the best WR groups in the NFL.
        12 out of 32 teams make the playoffs. That’s 37.5% make the playoffs.

        Injuries are certainly a factor, but I see no injury excuses coming from the Capers and the defense.

        MM has three games to motivate this team. MM woke up after the TB debacle last year. Hopefully he does the same the rest of the season. If not, than maybe he’s not the right man to lead the Packers.

  • Skyler

    Packers will lose to the New England. They must beat New York and Chicago. Anything less than 10-6 will not make the playoffs. Very frustrating, under MM we loss very close games. But a loss is a loss never the less. I remember New Orleans lossing to Arizona and from then on, they have been on fire (Sean Payton). I am not sure MM can motivate this team to do this the next three games. It is to bad, because Chicago will be one and done in the payoffs.
    The running game sucked. The line play sucked. WE could not play with the big boys on Detroits line. Rodgers is a good quarterback but not yet a great quarterback – to many flat games this year. Is this because of him or the play calling or the lack of a running game?

    All this talk about TT and MM throughout the season. Bottom line – What is the record at the end of the season and if we make the playoffs, do we play at a high level. Like it or not – This is a win now league… Are we in the same league as New England, New Orleans, Pittsburg, Atlanta? Did Farve and company get us to the NFL Championship or with it MM and Company?

  • mick

    We need to draft a tough quarterback.

  • http://packerbrothers.blogspot.com/ Packer Brothers Podcast

    Some pretty funny comments here. Here’s my take.

    Between two fairly evenly-matched NFL teams, the game typically turns on a few big plays. With the Packers’ extensive injuries, a suspect running game and playing on the road indoors, the Packers and Lions were pretty evenly matched. But the big plays went Detroit’s way.

    Do I disagree with MM’s play-calling? All the time. I cannot understand his refusal to run when it is likely to succeed and his insistence upon runniing when it clearly work. And when he needs a yard for a first down, we throw an incompletion 17 yards down the field; when we need 12 yards, we throw a 4 yard pass or run a draw play.

    But, given our personnel, after week six I thought this team would finish 7-9 … and that was without factoring in MM’s incomprehensible play-calling methodology. So, by my calculus, the Packers have already exceeded my expectations.

    IMHO until we get people healthy again and improve our running game substantially, the Packers either will not make the playoffs or will be a one and done. They have to be able to convert consistently in short yardage situations and punch it into the endzone when inside the five. This inability was displayed and a factor in every loss this season.

  • Doug r

    MM is not a head coach – maybe a coordinator and that’s a big maybe. We need a real head coach, someone who commands respect and inspires, and we need a good offensive mind who can scheme and make adjustments during the game. Every game this year Deja vu all over again. My biggest pet peeve is when we do have a few runs and he abandons it or doesn’t even play action followed closely by short yardage failure including the bombs on 3rd and short. We have too much talent to come out flat and consistently lose close games late. I don’t know if there is a silver bullet coach out there, but something has to change. Today felt like 1986.

    • jimmyus333333

      The whole year has felt like 1986.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Ironic; while not a fan of his when he was in GB and supported his firing, I cringed when Sherman came down here to A&M. But you know what, he is back in the recruiting mode and is slowly turning this ship around.
    Sherman coached the Pack 6 years with 3 Div titles and 5 wining seasons and got fired in his 6th year. No longer seeing the MM potential I once did. Frankly, I gave way much credence to his being a QB guy, thinking he was a clone of Holmgren because of it.
    I realize the injury situation and its probable impact but there is no comparison to the steady D play (along with the results) and the up and down nature of the O. I’d be the last one to claim to have the answer, and Capers is not a HC either. But the fact is I’ve gone to the mat for MM and feel let down. He is constantly out coached because he has no imagination.
    I cannot believe that an OL could possibly play that badly that our top runner is becoming the QB.

  • Skyler

    JON GRUDEN – Yes this is one place he would love to coach at. He loves the Packer Organization. GRUDEN and CAPERS – what a formula for success…………….

  • Monty

    gee i go to sleep for a while and come back and found everyone agrees with me, how did that happen haha…..oh well, the bears lost, if the giants lose we are no worse the wear. we werent gonna beat new england with or withour rodgers. Tom Brady is back and the super bowl is their’s to lose. I dont see anyone in either conference beating the Patriots now, they are rolling. And you know this was a “rebuilding” year for them. Randy who hahahahahaha…….lets just hope the nimrods get the labor thingy fixed so we have football next year. im tired of watching jackson fall down and Rogers thinking he is Ryan Grant, time to go home for the holidays and enjoy the family. Have a good one Packer Nation, enjoy your holidays with your loved ones.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    There seems to be a common theme here that DET is better than a 2 win club this year. I don’t think so, the record says it all, and they are down to their 3rd QB after having top drafts for years. That tells me that the whole organization stinks, top to bottom (and they play indoors). They are consistantly lousy and only scored 1 TD against us. Forget the “any given Sunday” in this one because they did not do anything different other than what they have done all year.
    So where does that leave us? We have won 8 games, fact. We have lost 3 starters on O and 4 on D for the season. DD, Pickett, and Jenkins have sat out games, and Pickett, Jenkins, Wood, and Clay have been playing hurt all year. This does not count all the time lost by backups who man the STs. And still we have won 8 games. You will not convince me that TT has not brought in enough talent to win.
    My conclusion is simple and two-fold. Maybe too simple, but I go back to my reservations of a month ago regarding the conditioning regimen as opposed to strength plus a HC who cannot motivate. Again, I repeat, this team does not play up to its capabilities.
    I’m pretty sure Lombardi would have these guys running laps in 10 degrees for a week!

    than what they have done all year.

  • Larry

    Given the injury to College, lack of effectiveness by Spitz I would have thought a few bootlegs in order. Sadly, dissappointed! To slow down a rush you run wide or short dump offs, an end around or other misdirection…not happening. We just can’t seem to adjust when our initial game plan fails.
    Detroit maybe better than 3 wins but you gotta score more than 3 points.

    I’m actually looking forward to playing the Pats…It’ll truly test the resolve!

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Yeah, didn’t we think Spitz was better anyway? Or, Bulaga than Tausch, etc, etc. DET not better than the 7.
      You know, Larry, you can count on one hand the stoic winning coaches in the league; Landry, Walsh, Grant, Levy, Dungy, maybe Belechick(?). Looks like MM tries to be like that but he doesn’t have their imagination or adaptability.

  • jimmyus333333

    Is 8-8 and missing the playoffs a winning season?

    • http://www.scotrstone.com Scot

      If we miss the playoffs, the entire season was a waste, except for maybe dumping Favre twice this year. Maybe beating Minny in Minny was our Superbowl, or shuttung Rex Ryan up in New York. Maybe we should treat the Patriots game like its our Superbowl.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    What gets me is that this is not WC, its AirCoryell. Re 3rd and short bombs, when does he realize that its not Fuzzy, Jerry, Paul, and Jimmy in there?

  • iccyfan

    Over-reactions seem to be the order of the day in response to a difficult loss. Elite teams can over-come the loss of a star QB and go on to defeat a lesser opponent under difficult conditions. If we were an elite team at the beginning of the season, we’re not any longer due to the players on IR, those missing yesterday’s game (Jenkins, Colledge, etc.) and the walking wounded not playing at 100% (CMIII, etc.). You can’t discount those facts just because you hate MM. Having made these excuses, we still would have won the damn game if one of our stars had made one of two plays he would normally make in his sleep (Jennings).

    I hate MM’s seemingly illogical play-calling and can agree it’s a tough one to stomach, but calling for heads seems a little extreme…

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      The only reason it comes into play, iccy, is because he doesn’t adapt and adjust. He has not done one thing to change the run O, no tricks, no gimicks, no creativity. We dont need a manager, we need a thinker like any of the above.

      • iccyfan

        I’ll remind you of things you’ve said repeatedly in the past; MM & TT are not on the field and it’s up to the players to make plays. St. Vince said (paraphrase) it doesn’t matter if the other team knows what’s coming if we execute. Jennings has to catch passes; Quarless has to hold onto the ball; Flynn needs to know how to execute a hand-off and where a LB might be lurking when the D is packed in near the goal line. We didn’t need tricks or gimmicks to prevail yesterday; we needed the players to make basic plays. If anybody deserves criticism for their performance yesterday, it’s Greg Jennings (and since he’s a stand-up guy, I’ll bet he’d agree)…

      • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

        Absolutly true, iccy, and I still feel that way; but in all fairness I’ve been giving MM a pass for this kind of outcome for two years. Problem is its not the exception, he has to be very easy to game plan against.

    • AATP

      Agreed…

    • jimmyus333333

      Why doesn’t Dom have the same kind of IR excuses that MM gets?

      • iccyfan

        That’s a good question. Why aren’t you guys complaining that third-string Drew Stanton and waiver-wire Maurice Morris led a rag-tag assemblage that rushed for almost 200 yards against the Packer defense? Why did the defense once again give up a fourth quarter lead?

        Comment: 100% sarcasm, but sarcasm with a point…

      • jimmyus333333

        Oh yeah, that’s right. Dom gave up 7 points. He IS a failure.

        What was I thinking?

    • Skyler

      MM has to be judge on this body of work, not one game. That said, Sherman got fired and he had a better overall record Can MM adapt or adjust? Maybe, but after 5 year of not doing it…

  • jimmyus333333

    What happened?? Two weeks ago I was reading how MM should be coach of the year.

    • mick

      And in the preseason we saw the crowning of the Packers as Super Bowl Champions and the crowning of Aaron as “The Great”.

  • mick

    When are we going to face that the whole TT and MM experiment has been a failure?

    When are we going to stop believing all the preseason accolades about how we will be the Super Bowl Champions and that Aaron is the Second Coming?

    Football is played on the field, and from what I’ve seen, since we went to the NFC Championship Game in 2007 things haven’t exactly gone as anticipated, have they?

    • Pete H

      please make some sense before wasting all of our time

      • mick

        What did I say that didn’t make sense?

        That we need to stop stop believing all the preseason accolades about how we will be the Super Bowl Champions and that Aaron is the Second Coming? Well, that’s a fact.

        That since we went to the NFC Championship Game in 2007 things haven’t exactly gone as anticipated? Well, that’s a fact.

        Thanks for playing!

    • jimmyus333333

      Right on Mick!

  • mick

    It’s real simple folks: TT and MM are just lucky they’re lighter skinned than Ray Rhodes, who performed just as well as these two clowns.

    • iccyfan

      There’s no good reason to go there…

      • mick

        Yes there is.

        The performance of Rhodes was almost identical to that of TT and MM, except Rhodes was canned after his first season; TT and MM are now in their 6th and 5th seasons.

        If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s probably a duck.

    • Rick

      Race is not an issue mick

      • mick

        Then what’s the issue?

        It can’t be performance, because TT and MM have performed no better than Rhodes.

        In fact, it can be said that TT and MM have performed WORSE than Rhodes because they’ve had 6 (TT) and 5 (MM) years to prove themselves and haven’t; Rhodes was never given the opportunity to fail for 5 or 6 years.

      • Rick

        Prove it mick. Prove it. Show me the records, the draft #s, picks and evaluation, the front office work comparing MM to Rhodes.

        I personally don’t see it. Rhodes was an fine game day coach but just did not have the skills to handle the HC duties very well. Even his stop in Arizona was still shakey, plus his nepotism is pretty notorious to his family. I do not see that in MM at all either.

  • Pierre

    Packers should have been able to score at least a touchdown in the first half with Rodgers at QB. They knew the game was important and should have played with the utmost of urgency to start the scoring off against the Lions, in ideal conditions. It appears the pressure was on again and Aaron did not perform too well to get the team going early. Keep talking about reversing the sluggish starts in games however perhaps it’s just the talent isn’t that better than most teams, even at the bottom of the league at this point. Bottom line is…if you can’t score against the Lions in the first half, and can barely get a first down…in a division game you say has all your attention…then maybe you are not a worthy playoff team. Look what Brady and the Pats did to the Bears…33-0 at halftime. Talk about being mentally tough and physically executing the offense in severe weather conditions…even after a Monday night game. Gotta agree that NE is a lot better coached team and that Brady has proven he is an elite, winning QB. Rodgers has some nice fantasy stats however he is definitely a cut below elite and has a lot to prove in pressure situations and games that count before he can be considered a top shelf QB. Packers playing in NE and getting a win would be the upset of this season in the NFL.

    • mick

      “It appears the pressure was on again and Aaron did not perform too well to get the team going early” – That’s been the story of the last three seasons: lighting it up when the pressure is off (weak opponent, way behind and the defense is in prevent, etc.), and choking when the pressure is on.

    • Skyler

      Good observation, but how much of Rodgers performance is tied to the play calling. Does MM play cadence help to not get Rodgers into the flow of the game. Belichick is a masterful play call / Head Coach. MM is a masterful QB Coach. Enough said…. Can you imagine what our record would be without Capers? Time to look at Gruden…

  • roy jamison

    I was working while TV recorded what was supposed to be Giant-Viking game that turned into Packer-Lions game. If the Pack had a running back or possibly a better push from O line, we’d be in that upper echelon. If I’m the Packers, I’d love a couple of those Badger O line guys. And, a couple of their running backs wouldn’t be bad either.

  • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

    Here is an issue for you mick; took a 13-3 and 11-5 team the 2 years before he took over and took them to 8-8. This after a 30-36 record as a head coach and being the only applicant after Holmgren left. Don’t know a lot about the GB history going all the way back to Lombardi do you?

    • mick

      Here is an issue for you Larry: in 1999 the Packers were in rebuilding mode, having come off the 1997 loss in the Super Bowl to the Broncos – because the defense was old and washed up and couldn’t stop the Broncos’ running game – and the 1998 loss in the wild card round of the playoffs.

      Clearly they were a team on the downward slide that needed to rebuild.

      Giving Rhodes one season – 1999 – for going .500 was absurd, as evident now from the fact that TT and MM have had 6 and 5 seasons respectively for going basically .500.

      And, say hey kid, since you mentioned “13-3″, who took over behind center of that intact 13-3 2007 team and went 6-10 in 2008?

      Yep. That’s what I thought.

      • Pete H

        they lost the wildcard game because a call was missed…not because of talent

        • mick

          Yeah, they were just loaded with talent coming off that 1998 wild card loss, that’s why they didn’t see an NFC Championship Game for another 9 seasons (2007).

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      You one crazy Irishman………and his HC success since then? If I recall he took a 10-6 team (which he inherited) his first two years and took them down to 6-9 and 3-13, yep, thats what I thought.

  • Doug R

    We have a very good team that is certainly competitive with anyone in the NFL. MM has done that and had kept the team together despite a slew of injuries. My problem with MM is that we do not see improvement. The same things that have been keeping us from the next level have not been “corrected” during his tenure. Poor special teams, lack of a solid running game (whether its o-line or RB doesn’t matter, it’s not working.), frequent flat performances or very slow starts, lack of adjustments during games, binary play calling (obvious run or obvious pass), poor game management (challenges). Penalties have been a huge problem up until very recently.

    We rarely seem to win a game because we “outcoach” them (win with inferior talent) but we certainly seem to get outcoached a lot (we have better talent, but the other team finds a way to win.)

    MM is not a strong leader and does not seem to inspire respect from his players or peers. I doubt he will be a head coach after leaving the Packers. I woulld bet he will likely become an assistant coordinator type guy which says it all. He is a Gary Kubiak, Wade Phillips, Chan Gailey level coach at best.

    • mick

      We need to draft a tough quarterback.

      This is the NFL, not the Pac10.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Not a lot to say after that Doug, you hit it all. Will end up like Ray Rhodes and Capers, perennial asst coaches.

    • dave76

      Way to spread the Packer holiday cheer Mick. Sounds like you have inner issues, good luck.

  • Larry

    Guys, the team quit on Rhodes…Ron Wolf pulled the plug because the players didn’t respond to Ray. MM can be accused of limited imagination but with every single unit of the offense and defense missing a starter…yes every unit…the lines/RB’s/WR’s/LB’s DB’s missing a key contributor from a couple of games (Driver) to the whole season (Grant) it has become difficult to be consistant but no one has quit!

    We all know that parity has made any team beatable (even the Pats) so with 12 players on IR how can we be a better team today. Are Grant/Jenkins/Rogers/Barnett/Burnett/Findley/Tauscher/Jones worth 5 points yesterday….ABSOLUTELY.

    We’re on our 3rd safety/6th LB/3rd RB/2nd TE and a backup QB for most of the game.

    The best packer team since 1997 is in street clothes watching the 2nd and 3rd stringers fight like hell to win most games.

    • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

      Yeah, you’re right Larry, maybe mick should revisit the Richard Prior-Chevy Chase skit on SNL.

    • Pete H

      you’re right, but they still should be able to get in the end zone against the LIONS!!

    • Dan

      Look what Capers has done even with all the injuries.
      Good coaches get the job done.

      Excuses get a man fired.

    • Skyler

      Larrytex has something… MM is responsible for strenghen and conditioning. We must not have a very good strenghen and conditioning program because we are the most injury prone team in the NFL. MM keep up the good work.

  • mick

    OK. I get it. TT and MM have been great. And I mean Tony the Tiger G R E A T!

    Hey, can I have some of that koolaid for Christmas?

  • dave76

    What happened to our great discovery against the 49ers! I thought we made great strides in our running game with Starks and swing passes to BJax. Why give Bjax 7 carries and Starks only 6. Kuhn had no short yd carries and our third down conversion was almost nonexistent. I was looking for 15-20 from Starks, especially after Rodgers went down. And 4th and 1, game on the line and we let Flynn launch it? IMO we would have had a better chance with Kuhn for a first down. MM needs more help in throwing the red flag also, this is really hurting us.
    Nobody thought Detroit would win, nobody expects us to win at NE. Yes we are banged up but the Patriots are due for a first loss in 26 games at NE. They are going to lose at some time, why not against the Packers this sunday. Call me overly optomistic or whatever you want, but the second you say you can’t….you won’t!! Stay positive guys, I’m wearing my #85 jersey and cheering as loud as I can for our team, The PACKERS!!!

    • Reid

      Dave – you’re overly optomistic.

      But I respect your loyalty. I’ll be cheering too.

      The O-Line and play calling totally blew this game, along with Jennings, Quarless, Rodgers, Flynn…..

      Good thing we fixed the punter problem. He was MVP.

      Why do we try to constantly run wide and block a 320-pound d lineman with a linebacker? F’ING RIDICULOUS!!!!

      • Rick

        LB is a defensive player. If we were playing defensive players on offense that might explain the lack of production Sunday :)

  • Larry

    Mick…All of us expected a win…and this was a winnable game to the very end…MM didn’t call a very good game IMO and no one made a play all day…but this isn’t close to the opening day roster.

    I thought Flynn looked good…typical bad read on the pick but good for a kid with 20 snaps mostly kneel downs in 3 years.

    I’m not expecting a win against NE but the Giants and Bears can be beat! We need to sit Jenkins until the Giants.

    • Dan

      Larry, I agree with you on resting Jenkins. Rodgers likely sits (2nd concussion this year).

      It’s time to rally the troops, game plan for the Giants and Bears. If the Packers only win 2 of the last 3, it has to win the games against NFC teams.

      We need either the Vikings to beat the Bears or the Eagles to beat the Giants.
      If the Vikings beat the Bears, the Packers can win the division by beating the Giants and Bears.
      If the Eagles beat the Giants, and the Packers beat both the Giants and Bears, the Packers would have the tie-breaker with the Giants resulting in a wild card.

  • jimmyus333333

    What I don’t understand is if the Bears did the right thing by going aggressive during offseason FA, or that the Pack and the Vikes just decided to stand-pat, and hence lose ground.

    I don’t think the Bears win their first game in the playoffs, but at least they’ll made it there.

  • Rick

    DING DONG THE EVIL BRETT STREAK IS DEAD :)

    • mick

      Why is he evil? Because TT and MM didn’t want him so he went to play elsewhere? If he is evil for playing elsewhere, then Lombardi is evil for leaving to coach at Washington, right? Are you sure your first name doesn’t start with “Pr”?

      • http://jlworden1suddenlink.net LarryTex

        Coach? Darn, I forgot what they called him in WAS, was it Executive Vice – something or other; I know it something to do with Part-Own– or something like that. I get so confused.

      • Rick

        Only when I slip into your mama’s house LOL :)

        My gosh did we just go back to 8th grade.

        Good try trying to bait you troll.

        • Rick

          Troll, troll go away come back another day

    • dave76

      Mick, if it was a sunny day and 80 in Wisconsin today, I’ll bet the sky would be the wrong shade of blue and the temp not quite right.